Tata Hexa Finally Launched. Priced @ ₹11.99 Lakh (Details: Pg.68)

[AbhisekVerma]

I don't understand why someone is calling scross an suv. It doesn't even look one and has never been claimed so. Its just a >4 premium hatch. Only car which looks like a true SUV is Ford Endeavor.

 

[NM9488]

I guess this video will end the debate as to which one is a SUV and which one is an MUV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR6FzbVo5M4

I am really disappointed to see this silly video is circulated by everyone & commented like fools by many. First of all, this video is posted on Team-Bhp thread for comparing HEXA, XUV5OO, SAFARI, Duster, THAR & SCORPIO's 4x4 capability.

All of them except XUV5OO performed very well.

Reason- That particular XUV5OO had issue with engine & transmission which was changed by Mahindra but still it is not repaired like factory work. Hence you can see at the end of the video that XUV5OO's one back wheel was spinning but other back wheel was not moving/idle. That means AWD was not working properly.

This explanation came from owner as well as by other people who were there. That owner accepted that he got faulty vehicle so this problem is there. But people love to malign image of XUV5OO with this video.

P.S.- I know Off-Road capability of XUV5OO is less compared to fully tested 4x4 capability of other vehicle's like HEXA, SCORPIO, THAR & SAFARI. But XUV5OO can manage soft off-roading without any issue.

Prove it with logic! I told you to do apply logic even earlier in Nexon Thread. Now let me explain as you have shot many arrows in darkness my buoy!

But in reference to India, is it correct to call Ignis a Mini SUV?

I openly say this that YES I Hate MSIL! I Hate this brand because:

* Over confident approach of sales team.

* Over priced products

* They were among the last brands in India to make safety features standard across their recent launches where many others provided the same much earlier.

* Most of the MSIL cars failed crash test yet the buyers blindly buy them and reject much more worthy products.

* Pathetic built quality. Ask the Baleno Owners, Celerio is also pathetic. Most of their cars are built in the most flimsy manner. By providing secondary safety features achieving 4 stars is not a big deal. They should also prove that their car's structural strength is also very good.

* Guys in True Value department are conning the customers by under-quoting the re-sale values to the customers and then earning big profits themselves.

* Stretching the same old engines since ages when the competitors have progressed to bigger ones. Eg: Ecosport gets a AT and a bigger engine but what has Brezza got in present? No AT and same old 1.3DDIS.

* Serving old wines in new bottles.

* 100(s) of limited editions across the lineup with no real value addition.

I have no bias for TATA Motors let me tell you. I have never owned any TATA car in my life. For the 1st time I have booked the Tigor. The reason I support TATA is that they are genuinely making efforts by offering good products and trying very hard to change the mindset of public and their destiny. All they need to do is fine tune their sales and service departments a bit. I like their products for what they offer and the price at which their cars come. Let me frankly also state here that apart from the slightly slow sales and services, the other thing that led to a below average image of TATA in the past was the perception of the people about it and sadly it is taking a hell lot of time to change.

You supported the fact that Nexon looks a lot like the BOLT if I am not wrong. Now you move on to say, it has underpinning of Tiago! I did give you a detailed reply on that thread, so will not waste my time.

My buoy, MSIL themselves market it as "Premium Crossover" and before shooting the arrows in darkness once again let me tell you, a simple copy paste job does no good and try to think and put some logic when you post or interact in such relevant thread on our forum. Have you gone through the actual article of the publications you have quoted? First thing, the articles were written in 2015 when Maruti Suzuki did not launch the Brezza. Brezza came in March-April 2016. So at the time of writing the article, the best option to compare was S-Cross. MSIL is not that big a fool who will sell S-Cross as a C-SUV and Brezza as a full size SUV. Get your facts right before making a statement. No need to unnecessarily comment on everything without proper knowledge. See this

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Someone said above its because Indian buyers are a bit confused with the word SUV so it is because of the image we have at large. Actually, the name XUV means "X"-UV i.e X denotes a "Cross" which means it is a Crossover Utility Vehicle but in India, an image / perception of any car / brand make a whole lot of difference. For your reference, it is neither an SUV nor a C-SUV but its just a Cross-Over.

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--Akash

Yes most of the points like Old engines are used again & again, High costing, Less safety feature or late to give them in the vehicle & inferior build quality of products with no good crash test results are true but still its the highest selling brand in the market due to people of this country don't care of about safety in front of less price & good mileage.

Staff is over confident & True Value resale issue cannot be MSIL related problems, at least reasons to hate them.

About that SUV, MPV & Crossover topic from all the TAI members. I really don't understand what makes an SUV? 4x4 capability? body shell? seating? I missing something here?
I guess this SUV, MPV category is totally destroyed by Car makers in India.

-They call S-Cross as an SUV which I think don't have proper 4x4. Correct me if I am wrong.

-They call Ignis as SUV .

-For me XUV5OO is a Cross over with SUV like looks.

-For me HEXA got Good 4x4 but still looks like MPV.

-For me SCORPIO, SAFARI, THAR 4x4 should be called as proper SUV's.

But as a one of TAI member said we must create a separate Thread for this Topic & let this HEXA thread filled with HEXA related information.

 

[kkn13]

I am really disappointed to see this silly video is circulated by everyone & commented like fools by many. First of all, this video is posted on Team-Bhp thread for comparing HEXA, XUV5OO, SAFARI, Duster, THAR & SCORPIO's 4x4 capability.

All of them except XUV5OO performed very well.

Reason- That particular XUV5OO had issue with engine & transmission which was changed by Mahindra but still it is not repaired like factory work. Hence you can see at the end of the video that XUV5OO's one back wheel was spinning but other back wheel was not moving/idle. That means AWD was not working properly.

This explanation came from owner as well as by other people who were there. That owner accepted that he got faulty vehicle so this problem is there. But people love to malign image of XUV5OO with this video.

P.S.- I know Off-Road capability of XUV5OO is less compared to fully tested 4x4 capability of other vehicle's like HEXA, SCORPIO, THAR & SAFARI. But XUV5OO can manage soft off-roading without any issue.

About that SUV, MPV & Crossover topic from all the TAI members. I really don't understand what makes an SUV? 4x4 capability? body shell? seating? I missing something here?
I guess this SUV, MPV category is totally destroyed by Car makers in India.

-They call S-Cross as an SUV which I think don't have proper 4x4. Correct me if I am wrong.

-They call Ignis as SUV .

-For me XUV5OO is a Cross over with SUV like looks.

-For me HEXA got Good 4x4 but still looks like MPV.

-For me SCORPIO, SAFARI, THAR 4x4 should be called as proper SUV's.

But as a one of TAI member said we must create a separate Thread for this Topic & let this HEXA thread filled with HEXA related information.

Thank you !!! You restored my faith in this forum where people simply love to bash other brands without logic and over glorify Tata in the same context which is hard to justify

Your points are spot on !!

Now Im not saying Tata is bad or the competitors are better but seems some here love to "motherhen" Tata products and make them something they are not

PS- Im not saying S Cross and Ignis are "SUVs" but abroad they do come with an AWD system for snow conditions and here we had products like Tucson and Trailblazer only available in 2wd form or even Hexa AT for that matter

PS- I still give Hexa more SUV credit given its ladder on body frame and 4x4 credentials over the Jeep Compass, XUV500 but not enough to bring it out of MUV/MPV category otherwise Xylo would have also been an SUV if they gave it Scorpio engine and 4x4

 

[InsaneTurbo]

The same Hexa AT 4x2 continues its swim, now more deeper :​

Tata Hexa AT 4x2

Impressive for the product!​

 

[gearhead2]

.......PS- Im not saying S Cross and Ignis are "SUVs" but abroad they do come with an AWD system for snow conditions and here we had products like Tucson and Trailblazer only available in 2wd form or even Hexa AT for that matter.......

And therein lies the rub! - Most MNCs manufacturing here are still convinced that we sodding Indians are hillbillies & don't know how to appreciate a vehicle with proper/acceptable off-roading options (read 4WD/AWD)! And looking at the roaring sales of the wannabe-SUV (read FWD/2WD only) brigade, who are we to argue!

 

[navnit013]

hahhahahaha, wow.

Wonder why people are on about MUV/MPV/SUV/CSUV etc etc! Whatever the manufacturer calls it. You will end up calling it what you like. So people give it a break. Call it whatever you want. For starters I'll call Hexa a ship. [thinking]

Also, X1 is not modified X0 platform. X0 debuted the Indica. Then came the X1 platform which debuted the Vista. Both are different. X1 eventually got modified/reworked for the Nexon. Note, Nexon is not a simple jack it up job, like I20 active or Polo cross. A lot of engineering has gone on to make it what it is. The X0 meanwhile is only producing Indica ev2s/indicab/indigo ecs (which ever is in production). The new X0 which debuted the Tiago/Tigor, is heavily re engineered retaining only the hard points (in simple words all new).

In simple simple words, NO Tiago is not the reskinned Indica. And NO Nexon is not the reskinned Vista.

 

[kkn13]

And therein lies the rub! - Most MNCs manufacturing here are still convinced that we sodding Indians are hillbillies & don't know how to appreciate a vehicle with proper/acceptable off-roading options (read 4WD/AWD)! And looking at the roaring sales of the wannabe-SUV (read FWD/2WD only) brigade, who are we to argue!

Thats because we dont need AWD/4x4 in most parts of the country and where it is needed, people there only buy Mahindra or Tata etc because of price, maintenance and resale etc there
Abroad most places have snow (or sand for that matter in Dubai etc) conditions where its needed


Like it or not, Hexa is a reworked Aria
Nexon,Tiago,Tigor etc are reworked derivatives of the Indica albeit good reworks but still, you cant deny facts

So if apparently its alright to call Brezza a reworked Swift but its not ok to point out that Tata uses only one platform in two varieties and is open about it
X1 and X0 are different variations of the same platform

People who dont see the resemblance of Indica in very obvious forms in every Tata car need to look again

Its the same thing which Honda did with the Brio platform- Amaze, Mobilio and BRV

 

[navnit013]

Hexa is a heavily reworked Aria, like 2014 E-class was of the 2010 E-class.

FACT 1: The new X0 which has produced Tigor and Tiago is a heavily reworked/re-engineered X0 platform. Only the hard points of the old platform has been retained. The new X0 platform has spawned only two products, Tiago and Tigor.

FACT 2: Nexon is based on X1 platform. The other products in this platform are Zest and the Bolt.

So which facts are being denied here?

There is something called a family design language. Audi does it. BMW does. Mercedes does. SO whats wrong if TATA does it?

 

[acechip]

We have been used to the same Polo for 8 years and never cribbed about it. The basic Swift/Dzire platform was in use since 2006. The Scorpio has been around since 2002, no one ever complains. The Wagon-R is around since donkeys years. So why point out the Tata cars ?

 

[kasscon]

Thats because we dont need AWD/4x4 in most parts of the country and where it is needed, people there only buy Mahindra or Tata etc because of price, maintenance and resale etc there
Abroad most places have snow (or sand for that matter in Dubai etc) conditions where its needed


Like it or not, Hexa is a reworked Aria
Nexon,Tiago,Tigor etc are reworked derivatives of the Indica albeit good reworks but still, you cant deny facts

So if apparently its alright to call Brezza a reworked Swift but its not ok to point out that Tata uses only one platform in two varieties and is open about it
X1 and X0 are different variations of the same platform

People who dont see the resemblance of Indica in very obvious forms in every Tata car need to look again

Its the same thing which Honda did with the Brio platform- Amaze, Mobilio and BRV

I beg to differ here that Tata uses only one platform in two varieties and is open about it. X1 and X0 are different variations of the same platform

There is lot of of difference between two. You can check underneath, the belly, pillar sections, door dig outs, engine bay and will get to know. Suspension setup is totally different even in Indica v1 with current Indica on sale and Tiago.

Coming to resemblance with indica or vista family with current cars then the logo and in most cars the A pillar is designed pretty similarly thus lieghman man shouts Indica because Indica was the product who brought Tata in limelight and was the most successful product & abused design from TML and for a very long time is in production.

If someone says that the resemblance is due to same platform then please check out Safari and Hexa coz they both are riding on same platform with no visual similarities.

 

[jagrover]

The same Hexa AT 4x2 continues its swim, now more deeper :​

Tata Hexa AT 4x2

Impressive for the product!​

I will not post a video once again on Hexa off roading abilities There is one more video in this series IIRC named 'Tata HEXA AT offroading river crossing 3'.

BTW it's simply amazing when people categorize some models as SUVs since it offers AWD in foreign markets but not in India; then calling one that offers AWD/ 4x4 as MUV since it is lengthy and looks like a van. No issues since Multi Utility can include some Sports Utility as well

 

[kkn13]

Hexa is a heavily reworked Aria, like 2014 E-class was of the 2010 E-class.

FACT 1: The new X0 which has produced Tigor and Tiago is a heavily reworked/re-engineered X0 platform. Only the hard points of the old platform has been retained. The new X0 platform has spawned only two products, Tiago and Tigor.

FACT 2: Nexon is based on X1 platform. The other products in this platform are Zest and the Bolt.

So which facts are being denied here?

There is something called a family design language. Audi does it. BMW does. Mercedes does. SO whats wrong if TATA does it?

Im not saying its right or wrong, Im saying its a fact that most people here refuse to accept
Also dont bring Audi,BMW and Mercedes into this, they take much better cars as base and do it

Indica is a 20 year old platform, kill it off, get rid of the bulbalous design language

Applies to Honda and its poor Brio platform too(Amaze, Mobilio, BRV)

Honda used to take Civic platform and use it for everything until 2012, that was the best system imho

Even VW is making this blunder, instead of using MQB platform ,they want to continue the aged Polo platform further
Fiat too with its older Punto platform

See Im not just criticising Tata, people here are over glorifying it while bashing the competition


Also Swift platform went through a change in 2010 and another one in form of the current Baleno and the upcoming global C platform

Seems MSIL and Hyundai gets criticism even if they use the same steering or switches in some cars but apparently its alright when Tata and even VW for that matter

I will not post a video once again on Hexa off roading abilities There is one more video in this series IIRC named 'Tata HEXA AT offroading river crossing 3'.

BTW it's simply amazing when people categorize some models as SUVs since it offers AWD in foreign markets but not in India; then calling one that offers AWD/ 4x4 as MUV since it is lengthy and looks like a van. No issues since Multi Utility can include some Sports Utility as well

I never said that, I said its a compact SUV, then what about your beloved Nexon.......no AWD at all, not here , not anywhere
Seems so dumb that people here love to motherhen their beloved Tata and anyone who posts otherwise gets ganged up on
Anyways dont bother replying, seems no sense to talk to Tata fanatics especially after the whole XUV bashing video which was proven to be a faulty vehicle and ironically people refuse to accept Tata's poor fit and finish as shown in certain reviews

 

[jagrover]

Dear kkn13,

Indica is a 20 year old platform, kill it off, get rid of the bulbalous design language

AMP is coming. Will wait for your comments then. Anyway Hexa is based on X2 platform, not X0 or X1.

See Im not just criticising Tata, people here are over glorifying it while bashing the competition

Please tell me who bashed competitors. It's the other way around. Only thing was, most people accepted Hexa is a better off-roader compared to XUV due to its mechanicals. But you seems to be unhappy with that fact related to Hexa van.

Also Swift platform went through a change in 2010 and another one in form of the current Baleno and the upcoming global C platform

Seems MSIL and Hyundai gets criticism even if they use the same steering or switches in some cars but apparently its alright when Tata and even VW for that matter

Again it is the opposite what actually happens. Someone starts criticizing Tata for these things and the so called Tata fanatics will say MSIL and Hyundai do the same.

I never said that, I said its a compact SUV, then what about your beloved Nexon.......no AWD at all, not here , not anywhere
Seems so dumb that people here love to motherhen their beloved Tata and anyone who posts otherwise gets ganged up on

I stand corrected on this. You said CSUV and I wrongly quoted SUV. Anyway S-Cross in India lacks AWD and called as CSUV. Same for Brezza and Ecosport. So definitely my beloved Nexon can be called CSUV even though it does not over AWD anywhere in the world.

Anyways dont bother replying, seems no sense to talk to Tata fanatics especially after the whole XUV bashing video which was proven to be a faulty vehicle and ironically people refuse to accept Tata's poor fit and finish as shown in certain reviews

I guess I missed that part. "ironically people refuse to accept Tata's poor fit and finish as shown in certain reviews" which one you are referring here.

Are you saying that 'XUV bashing video which was proven to be a faulty vehicle' was filmed by Tata fanatics? Again no one bashed XUV here. Hexa has more off road capability. Period. And I believe XUV in below video was not having any issue with AWD system. Ending this from my side as well. Drive Safe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y179W7A4DU

 

[NM9488]

Thank you !!! You restored my faith in this forum where people simply love to bash other brands without logic and over glorify Tata in the same context which is hard to justify

Your points are spot on !!

Now Im not saying Tata is bad or the competitors are better but seems some here love to "motherhen" Tata products and make them something they are not

PS- Im not saying S Cross and Ignis are "SUVs" but abroad they do come with an AWD system for snow conditions and here we had products like Tucson and Trailblazer only available in 2wd form or even Hexa AT for that matter

PS- I still give Hexa more SUV credit given its ladder on body frame and 4x4 credentials over the Jeep Compass, XUV500 but not enough to bring it out of MUV/MPV category otherwise Xylo would have also been an SUV if they gave it Scorpio engine and 4x4

You are welcome!

The same Hexa AT 4x2 continues its swim, now more deeper :​

Tata Hexa AT 4x2

Impressive for the product!​

Again this video is treat to watch, would love to do this kind of things with my XUV5OO if I buy one in future.

Im not saying its right or wrong, Im saying its a fact that most people here refuse to accept
Also dont bring Audi,BMW and Mercedes into this, they take much better cars as base and do it

Indica is a 20 year old platform, kill it off, get rid of the bulbalous design language

Applies to Honda and its poor Brio platform too(Amaze, Mobilio, BRV)

Honda used to take Civic platform and use it for everything until 2012, that was the best system imho

Even VW is making this blunder, instead of using MQB platform ,they want to continue the aged Polo platform further
Fiat too with its older Punto platform

See Im not just criticising Tata, people here are over glorifying it while bashing the competition


Also Swift platform went through a change in 2010 and another one in form of the current Baleno and the upcoming global C platform

Seems MSIL and Hyundai gets criticism even if they use the same steering or switches in some cars but apparently its alright when Tata and even VW for that matter



I never said that, I said its a compact SUV, then what about your beloved Nexon.......no AWD at all, not here , not anywhere
Seems so dumb that people here love to motherhen their beloved Tata and anyone who posts otherwise gets ganged up on
Anyways dont bother replying, seems no sense to talk to Tata fanatics especially after the whole XUV bashing video which was proven to be a faulty vehicle and ironically people refuse to accept Tata's poor fit and finish as shown in certain reviews

Calm down brother, no need to burn your blood to prove your points. There are many people who love to bash other brands for nothing when compared to TML products. Sales figures of TML products vs others explain everything.

I am not going deep into that platform part but seriously design of Tigor, Tiago, Nexon & Aria for that matter feels like Indica modifications to me. May be TML want their Indica DNA to be used in their future products and frankly nothing wrong in it. Indica gave a good reputation & sales to TML in the past.

I hate only one thing that is when you say this anywhere, TML lovers will start bashing you. Thats something foolish/childish I feel.

 

[Akash1886]

@KKN: From your posts above what I feel is that you develop your views largely on the word of mouth about any car instead of physically testing and understanding the pros and cons. I for one was the guy who upon seeing Hexa before its launch pointed out the rough edges in its cabin but it wasn't that big a deal breaker. No one will gang-up on you if you try to reason out your statement with the right logic. For the sake of speaking and making your presence felt, you often end up on the wrong side and that happens to you often due to lack of practical experience. Instead of posting would suggest you to go through the posts made by the reasonably knowledgeable guys here. Understand as to what actually one has to say. Try and understand, it is not an easy task for any of us to keep replying to your posts which often lack the technical depth. After certain point, your posts look irritating and stretchy as simply as that. There is no race going on here to prove one's merit and satisfy the ego. Your expressions often are derogatory with regards to our forum and even the members. Please take note of this and avoid making such comments on any thread. It is because of your comments at large, the threads often are left in between and many members don't feel like contributing to the thread. I am writing this because I really feel you have immense scope to improve as a enthusiast. As far as your concern for TATA's support in TAI is concerned, let me tell you, TATA Motors has been mostly on the receiving end and we as the enthusiasts provide it equal chance as a brand and praise them for picking up in the race and providing us worthy products. And let me tell you, NEXON has actually got better interiors than Brezza and let the pricing come in then all the doubts will be cleared. In the present Impact Design Philosophy of TATA, none of their cars look boring, out of place or lack features. Before commenting on the design and looks of TATA cars would suggest you to do an in-depth study of the Impact Design Language. As you said, people criticize Hyundai for using same steering, It is actually not about the same steering instead its about whether Hyundai improved with the steering feedback or not as this was a point of concern among buyers and owners. As for the MSIL, let me tell you, in India, you can criticize any brand but not Maruti Suzuki. It would take a tough guy to speak up on the cons of MSIL cars and even if MSIL does part sharing in it's lineup no one will speak against that rather, they'll criticize every other brand that does that.

--Akash