Tata Hexa Finally Launched. Priced @ ₹11.99 Lakh (Details: Pg.68)

[kkn13]

Meanwhile how many of you guys feel that the classification of UVs by AutoPunditz is just a nonsense?
Scorpio looks odd in compact SUVs,SCross looks odd in compact SUVs, Hexa looks odd in MUVs while XUV looks odd in SUVs, also note that they completely forget to include the Jeep Compass which fits in both SUVs & C-SUVs ,but preferably along with Tiguan!

S Cross is a compact SUV technically
Hexa is an MUV, no amount of 4x4 additions can change the basic shape/function
XUV is an SUV, albeit a monocoque

As for scorpio being a compact SUV, I wonder who was smoking what :D

 

[Akash1886]

S Cross is a compact SUV technically

It is a crossover and not compact SUV. If that is a compact SUV then what is Brezza? Explain with 2 examples how technically S-Cross is labelled as a C-SUV. If S-Cross is a Compact SUV then i20 Active is also a compact SUV() but for this statement, I don't really blame you as MS projects their Ignis as a mini SUV in many markets.

Hexa is an MUV, no amount of 4x4 additions can change the basic shape/function

Technical Features are never meant to change the shape / design of the car. It helps in improving the technical competency of the vehicle.

As for scorpio being a compact SUV, I wonder who was smoking what

That ways, what were you taking when you called S-Cross a compact SUV and that too technically!

Regards

Akash

 

[TSIVipul]

XUV is an SUV, albeit a monocoque

Which SUV trait does the XUV fits into? It's just a monocoque van in SUV clothes, with front struts and low travel rear suspension, it can do only soft roading and nothing else. XUV being considered an SUV is just a success of Mahindra marketing and bad luck of Indian customer.

 

[ksdr]

I guess this video will end the debate as to which one is a SUV and which one is an MUV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR6FzbVo5M4

 

[kkn13]

If not SUV, what would you term XUV?
Hexa is an MUV no matter how hard people here try to prove otherwise

 

[DrRishabh]

I agree with @TSIvipul that xuv500 looks like an suv with FWD and monocoque design where as Hexa is RWD ladder on frame typical crossover.

 

[TSIVipul]

If not SUV, what would you term XUV?
Hexa is an MUV no matter how hard people here try to prove otherwise

I am simply asking you to technically prove that XUV is an SUV. Please do try.

Coming to Hexa, I don't think anyone called Hexa an SUV, it's simply a crossover with more bias towards the SUV category.

Additionally every 4x2 is a van, what's an SUV if it doesn't have a proper 4x4 and it can't go places?

 

[amitpshelke]

If you are trying to compare them in a pure off-roading capability then 4x4 Hexa will outperform XUV500 coz of its 4x4 system. TATA has really worked on its 4x4 system to give a linear performance on all types of terrain.

Although the body type is more leaning towards a MPV but it has a real time 4WD character line which is better at off-roading. AWD system that comes in XUV500 performs well on highways at super cruising speed. It helps to keep the heft body in stable state.

There is slight difference in 4x4 and AWD system, both has its own advantage of different terrain. So just calling a car a Sports Utility by looking at its shape could be little vague according to me. The SUV character includes how efficient control provided to driver on the 4WD/AWD mechanism, the arrival and departures angles, suspensions, steering type, ground clearance and the engine.

 

[InsaneTurbo]

S Cross is a compact SUV technically
Hexa is an MUV, no amount of 4x4 additions can change the basic shape/function
XUV is an SUV, albeit a monocoque
As for scorpio being a compact SUV, I wonder who was smoking what :D

Lots of contradictions,
Scross:Looks like a hatchback with over fender garnishes and without AWD or 4x4, we have many cars like that: Avventura ,i20 cross, Polo cross etc, but you are calling it as a compact SUV in the likes of a Duster/Compass.
What surprises me is that Indian S-Cross which doesn't even remotely got any SUV characteristics,but now technically makes into the C-SUV category!
All credits to MSIL & its smart marketing!

On the other hand, A pure ladder frame built vehicle with 4X4 and brilliant terrain management system ( Also note its the previous generation Landrover system), begs hard to not to call it as a MPV! Don't know whom to blame ?
Some criterias / technicalities are taboo for Tata Motors !

If not SUV, what would you term XUV?
Hexa is an MUV no matter how hard people here try to prove otherwise

Agrees that the Indian market is a lot confused on the term: SUV , it's just a marketing tool in India .For instance we see vehicles right from Ignis to Fortuner marketed as SUVs.
I would like to classify the Indian UVs as the following:
MUV: Vehicles built on Ladder frame, abuse friendly may be used as people mover , occasional load carrying,or over non-existing roads .
Eg: Bolero ,Sumo,Tavera,TUV.
MPV: Vehicles built on either any ladder frame or monocoque platforms : people movers preferred more for long distance cruising.
Eg:Innova crysta,Xylo, Br-V,Ertiga,Lodgy.
SUV: Vehicles built on Ladder frame or Integrated ladder frame with 4x4 or 4WD, abuse friendly, more off roading capabilities .
Eg: Fortuner ,Endeavour,Pajero sport,Hexa,Storme,Scorpio,Gypsy,Thar
Integrated ladder frame/Uniframe: Pajero/Montero ,Landrovers,Cherokee XJ,ZJ.
C-SUV: Monocoque with AWD for occasional and light off roading, more into urban use.
Eg: XUV 500 ,Cr-V,Duster,Compass.
Urban Crossover: SUV inspired/ styled monocoque cars without 4WD,4x4 or AWD.
Eg: Brezza,Wr-V,Nexon,Ecosport,Creta, Scross ,i20 Cross,Polo cross, KUV100, Ignis even the Kwid .

Few things to be noted :
*Duster & Compass possess exceptional off roading capabilities.
*XUV500 is the least capable off roader in India , AT AWD performs better than MT AWD for XUV, shows the importance of electronics and better terrain management system .
*Some monocoques UVs are also used for urban load carrying purposes: Omni,Eeco,Winger,Traveller.
*Scorpio with 75HP m2DICR 4 cyl 2.5L,2WD increasingly replacing Sumo & Tavera in rural areas.

 

[kkn13]

It is a crossover and not compact SUV. If that is a compact SUV then what is Brezza? Explain with 2 examples how technically S-Cross is labelled as a C-SUV. If S-Cross is a Compact SUV then i20 Active is also a compact SUV() but for this statement, I don't really blame you as MS projects their Ignis as a mini SUV in many markets.

Technical Features are never meant to change the shape / design of the car. It helps in improving the technical competency of the vehicle.

That ways, what were you taking when you called S-Cross a compact SUV and that too technically!

Regards

Akash

S Cross is a compact SUV, like it or not
i20 Active is a raised hatch

Ignis has an AWD system abroad given their snow conditions thats why its marketed as mini SUV
funny thing is people here consider Hexa as SUV when its an MUV just because it has a 4x4 system and ladder on body frame chassis but point fingers to other cars in the market

Seems you just have too much Tata bias and MSIL hate

Also Nexon is also raised hatch given its X1 platform which is modified X0 platform underpinning Tiago.....

Also what about Volvo XC60, it also has lowered stance like S Cross, yet it is categorised as SUV

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/391/19770889435_7f428cae5d_b.jpg

Lowered stance doesnt mean S Cross is not a compact SUV

Heres Scross with i20 Active
https://media.zigcdn.com/media/cont...ges-photos-zigwheels-02072015-m03_720x540.jpg

https://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/uploads/Maruti-S-Cross-vs-Ford-EcoSport-vs-Renault-Duster.jpg
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attac...-vitara-brezza-vs-s-cross-20160402_085131.jpg


XUV and CRV in compact SUV category, seriously?? They arent SUV but they arent C-SUV either

 

[Vishwas]

To talk on the SUV,MUV Crossover thing is with us enthusiasts whereas the common people in India wouldn't know what it's called exactly, they either term it as Van for MPVs, Big Car for SUVs and SUVs from the educated folks but not that deep into autos.

AFAIK Hexa, XUV 500 are all Crossovers which has been designed to cater the segment where people needs a comfortable cruiser as well as go anywhere ability to some extent and to every of auto enthusiats it does not say the truth, because they buy it for prestige and power!

Had posted earlier i guess so, Hexa has comfortable interiors and the interiors does feel top notch especially the middle row with captain seats. Rear is better for two people and haven't driven the car so cannot comment about the performance.

 

[vikyjoshi]

Guys, I guess we are degressing from the topic, I think its a Hexa thread. Lets discuss that. We can create a new thread of "What defines an SUV and which cars in indian market are SUVs?" and take our discussion there.

 

[dr_vm]

If not SUV, what would you term XUV?
Hexa is an MUV no matter how hard people here try to prove otherwise

You are right. Hexa will always be an MPV for you .
If you remember when Aria was launched , it was rightly called a cross over in its marketing campaign by TATA and we all know what happened.I must also add that product quality must also have affected it's fate.
If you ask me , HEXA is still a cross over , albeit with decent mud plugging abilities but TATA has been forced to call it an SUV because of our mindsets.

 

[carcommentor]

Well GST council has approved rasing cess from 15% to 25% on SUV, mid sized and luxury cars so Hexa Jeep etc pricing are going to raise
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/suvs-lux...es-hike-in-cess-1734449?pfrom=home-topstories

 

[Akash1886]

S Cross is a compact SUV, like it or not
i20 Active is a raised hatch

Prove it with logic! I told you to do apply logic even earlier in Nexon Thread. Now let me explain as you have shot many arrows in darkness my buoy!

Ignis has an AWD system abroad given their snow conditions thats why its marketed as mini SUV

But in reference to India, is it correct to call Ignis a Mini SUV?

Seems you just have too much Tata bias and MSIL hate

I openly say this that YES I Hate MSIL! I Hate this brand because:

* Over confident approach of sales team.

* Over priced products

* They were among the last brands in India to make safety features standard across their recent launches where many others provided the same much earlier.

* Most of the MSIL cars failed crash test yet the buyers blindly buy them and reject much more worthy products.

* Pathetic built quality. Ask the Baleno Owners, Celerio is also pathetic. Most of their cars are built in the most flimsy manner. By providing secondary safety features achieving 4 stars is not a big deal. They should also prove that their car's structural strength is also very good.

* Guys in True Value department are conning the customers by under-quoting the re-sale values to the customers and then earning big profits themselves.

* Stretching the same old engines since ages when the competitors have progressed to bigger ones. Eg: Ecosport gets a AT and a bigger engine but what has Brezza got in present? No AT and same old 1.3DDIS.

* Serving old wines in new bottles.

* 100(s) of limited editions across the lineup with no real value addition.

I have no bias for TATA Motors let me tell you. I have never owned any TATA car in my life. For the 1st time I have booked the Tigor. The reason I support TATA is that they are genuinely making efforts by offering good products and trying very hard to change the mindset of public and their destiny. All they need to do is fine tune their sales and service departments a bit. I like their products for what they offer and the price at which their cars come. Let me frankly also state here that apart from the slightly slow sales and services, the other thing that led to a below average image of TATA in the past was the perception of the people about it and sadly it is taking a hell lot of time to change.

Also Nexon is also raised hatch given its X1 platform which is modified X0 platform underpinning Tiago

You supported the fact that Nexon looks a lot like the BOLT if I am not wrong. Now you move on to say, it has underpinning of Tiago! I did give you a detailed reply on that thread, so will not waste my time.

Lowered stance doesnt mean S Cross is not a compact SUV

Heres Scross with i20 Active
https://media.zigcdn.com/media/cont...ges-photos-zigwheels-02072015-m03_720x540.jpg

https://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/uploads/Maruti-S-Cross-vs-Ford-EcoSport-vs-Renault-Duster.jpg
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attac...-vitara-brezza-vs-s-cross-20160402_085131.jpg

My buoy, MSIL themselves market it as "Premium Crossover" and before shooting the arrows in darkness once again let me tell you, a simple copy paste job does no good and try to think and put some logic when you post or interact in such relevant thread on our forum. Have you gone through the actual article of the publications you have quoted? First thing, the articles were written in 2015 when Maruti Suzuki did not launch the Brezza. Brezza came in March-April 2016. So at the time of writing the article, the best option to compare was S-Cross. MSIL is not that big a fool who will sell S-Cross as a C-SUV and Brezza as a full size SUV. Get your facts right before making a statement. No need to unnecessarily comment on everything without proper knowledge. See this

Link

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XUV

Someone said above its because Indian buyers are a bit confused with the word SUV so it is because of the image we have at large. Actually, the name XUV means "X"-UV i.e X denotes a "Cross" which means it is a Crossover Utility Vehicle but in India, an image / perception of any car / brand make a whole lot of difference. For your reference, it is neither an SUV nor a C-SUV but its just a Cross-Over.

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--Akash