Maruti Suzuki Baleno Hatchback: Technical Issues & Solutions
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Is this a Maruti accessory or you will purchase the horns yourself and get it fitted from MASS? Do update when you carry out this mod.
Trumpets are too cheesy these days, every other 2 wheeler has them. For me, it's basic disc horn or pressure horn.
Trumpets are too cheesy these days, every other 2 wheeler has them. For me, it's basic disc horn or pressure horn.
Its just a horn my trusted mechanic showed me. Suggest me an alternative if you feel so. My mechanic tried replacing without de-bumpering but that didnt work out. Maruti has hidden the horn behind several plates that hold the bumper, so the replacement will be done at the MASS
Ameyam
Ameyam
If you are looking for sweet and pleasant sounding horns, then only go for Trumpets. Minda Trumpet, Roots Windtone and Bosch Symphony are good trumpet horns. Facing trumpets is important and do keep in mind that if you place it towards airdam opening, it might get affected by water entry (which is a poison for these horns). Placing the horn opening (trumpet) downwards is the safest way.
If you are looking for pressure horns, which shake the hell out of pedestrains and bikers, etc., (I know it is a bad habit), go for Vibrasonic or Megasonic from Roots. I am using Megasonic in my Swift but they are H U G E. I doubt if they will fit the Baleno without modifications.
If you are looking for practicality and simple but effective way, go for Red Grilles from Hella. They are the best one when it comes to effectiveness without being whacky.
If you are looking for pressure horns, which shake the hell out of pedestrains and bikers, etc., (I know it is a bad habit), go for Vibrasonic or Megasonic from Roots. I am using Megasonic in my Swift but they are H U G E. I doubt if they will fit the Baleno without modifications.
If you are looking for practicality and simple but effective way, go for Red Grilles from Hella. They are the best one when it comes to effectiveness without being whacky.
I am taking delivery of my baleno today.yesterday in PDI noticed that stepney was put in place of regular alloys![[frustration]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Frustration.gif "Frustration [frustration]")
.Was told regular tyre damaged in transit and it will be replaced .Guide me how do i go about it?wheel balancing / allignment to be done?
Also other than forms 20,21,22,34 is there any RTO related documents i shld get??
.Was told regular tyre damaged in transit and it will be replaced .Guide me how do i go about it?wheel balancing / allignment to be done?Also other than forms 20,21,22,34 is there any RTO related documents i shld get??
I am taking delivery of my baleno today.yesterday in PDI noticed that stepney was put in place of regular alloys.Was told regular tyre damaged in transit and it will be replaced .Guide me how do i go about it?wheel balancing / allignment to be done?
Also other than forms 20,21,22,34 is there any RTO related documents i shld get??
.Was told regular tyre damaged in transit and it will be replaced .Guide me how do i go about it?wheel balancing / allignment to be done?Also other than forms 20,21,22,34 is there any RTO related documents i shld get??
Ameyam
Re: Suzuki's New Premium Hatchback Baleno Now Launched!
Today, i needed to drop off some stuff at my other place in Mulund in the afternoon. So it became a sleepy sunday afternoon round trip of some 50km. Will little traffic, the car really impressed with its ability to cruise effortlessly at 80. And i mean effortlessly. Others on the road were doing 60 or so, so i was gently weaving my way through traffic.
The other two things i noticed is the very bumpy ride in the back. In fact my friend in the back wondered whether the suspension was working at all. Secondly, the constant need to keep correcting the neutral position, sometimes left & sometimes right, something that i will take up with the ASC at service.
I had been planning to get nitrogen purging done but thw ASC charges 250 where as i got it done at a reputed dealer at 100 only. Prior to filling nitrogen, we checked the tyre pressure (filled yesterday afternoon) and it was 31psi. Put in nitrogen a. 29psi for now. The ride is still stiff though.
While washing the car in the evenung, i noticed the rear wheel arch liner seems to be felt covered cardboard. Can anyone check their cars & confirm? If it is, its likely to self destruct in the very first monsoon
Ameyam
Today, i needed to drop off some stuff at my other place in Mulund in the afternoon. So it became a sleepy sunday afternoon round trip of some 50km. Will little traffic, the car really impressed with its ability to cruise effortlessly at 80. And i mean effortlessly. Others on the road were doing 60 or so, so i was gently weaving my way through traffic.
The other two things i noticed is the very bumpy ride in the back. In fact my friend in the back wondered whether the suspension was working at all. Secondly, the constant need to keep correcting the neutral position, sometimes left & sometimes right, something that i will take up with the ASC at service.
I had been planning to get nitrogen purging done but thw ASC charges 250 where as i got it done at a reputed dealer at 100 only. Prior to filling nitrogen, we checked the tyre pressure (filled yesterday afternoon) and it was 31psi. Put in nitrogen a. 29psi for now. The ride is still stiff though.
While washing the car in the evenung, i noticed the rear wheel arch liner seems to be felt covered cardboard. Can anyone check their cars & confirm? If it is, its likely to self destruct in the very first monsoon
Ameyam
Re: Suzuki's New Premium Hatchback Baleno Now Launched!
Nitrogen filling won't affect ride quality but maintains pressure in the tyres for longer duration than normal air. I am also running with nitrogen in my Swift (Nitro, eh!![[evil]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Evil.gif "Evil [evil]")
) but didn't feel any difference in ride quality.
Yes I agree that the car moves like a Bolero! Either left either right! I think this is because of self centering action of steering. I noticed this on a long curvy road on my trip to Uttarakhand and if you leave the steering (I mean don't hold it firm) it starts pushing back to original position which means the car deviates from line. This thing is TOTALLY absent in my 2009 Swift where self centering action isn't prominent as Baleno. RM said that it will be checked at first service as steering usually becomes smoother after use and it is not expected that problem will go away on its own. Let's see.
Yes I also felt that rear wheel arch cladding is different from front cladding. There is a felt covering on the outside, though I didn't check if it is cardboard or plastic on the inside. I think the material is same on all wheel arches and rear one is covered additionally to reduce road noise.
Also, you are right about cruising capability of the car. At 80 kmph, engine feels at home and maintains the speed easily without any effort.
Nitrogen filling won't affect ride quality but maintains pressure in the tyres for longer duration than normal air. I am also running with nitrogen in my Swift (Nitro, eh!
) but didn't feel any difference in ride quality.Yes I agree that the car moves like a Bolero! Either left either right! I think this is because of self centering action of steering. I noticed this on a long curvy road on my trip to Uttarakhand and if you leave the steering (I mean don't hold it firm) it starts pushing back to original position which means the car deviates from line. This thing is TOTALLY absent in my 2009 Swift where self centering action isn't prominent as Baleno. RM said that it will be checked at first service as steering usually becomes smoother after use and it is not expected that problem will go away on its own. Let's see.
Yes I also felt that rear wheel arch cladding is different from front cladding. There is a felt covering on the outside, though I didn't check if it is cardboard or plastic on the inside. I think the material is same on all wheel arches and rear one is covered additionally to reduce road noise.
Also, you are right about cruising capability of the car. At 80 kmph, engine feels at home and maintains the speed easily without any effort.
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Your RM is wrong, steering's rock and pinion, eps and its feedback to ecm configurations will not change overtime. The problem you are facing is due to tyres still not run-in. After 1500 kms plus only tyres will seat in or run-in. Once your cars cross 1500 kms you will not face this trouble.
Nitrogen filling won't affect ride quality but maintains pressure in the tyres for longer duration than normal air. I am also running with nitrogen in my Swift (Nitro, eh! ) but didn't feel any difference in ride quality.
Yes I agree that the car moves like a Bolero! Either left either right! I think this is because of self centering action of steering. I noticed this on a long curvy road on my trip to Uttarakhand and if you leave the steering (I mean don't hold it firm) it starts pushing back to original position which means the car deviates from line. This thing is TOTALLY absent in my 2009 Swift where self centering action isn't prominent as Baleno. RM said that it will be checked at first service as steering usually becomes smoother after use and it is not expected that problem will go away on its own. Let's see.
Yes I also felt that rear wheel arch cladding is different from front cladding. There is a felt covering on the outside, though I didn't check if it is cardboard or plastic on the inside. I think the material is same on all wheel arches and rear one is covered additionally to reduce road noise.
Also, you are right about cruising capability of the car. At 80 kmph, engine feels at home and maintains the speed easily without any effort.
) but didn't feel any difference in ride quality.Yes I agree that the car moves like a Bolero! Either left either right! I think this is because of self centering action of steering. I noticed this on a long curvy road on my trip to Uttarakhand and if you leave the steering (I mean don't hold it firm) it starts pushing back to original position which means the car deviates from line. This thing is TOTALLY absent in my 2009 Swift where self centering action isn't prominent as Baleno. RM said that it will be checked at first service as steering usually becomes smoother after use and it is not expected that problem will go away on its own. Let's see.
Yes I also felt that rear wheel arch cladding is different from front cladding. There is a felt covering on the outside, though I didn't check if it is cardboard or plastic on the inside. I think the material is same on all wheel arches and rear one is covered additionally to reduce road noise.
Also, you are right about cruising capability of the car. At 80 kmph, engine feels at home and maintains the speed easily without any effort.
Re: Suzuki's New Premium Hatchback Baleno Now Launched!
@suryaputra,
I think its more of a centering problem. Try this- take the Baleno on a flat highway that you know is fairly straight and let it cruise at over 60kmph. You will see the car moves slightly to one side. Correct it. Now the car should move to the other side. This is either slop in the servo in that its not centering correctly or a bushing in the steering linkage has degraded (which would be stupid for a 20 day old car). I have already reported this to the ASC and they will check it like ice_wise said. That being said, I am going to get the ASC guys to check my wheel balancing and alignment. Sounds stupid to do it so early in a new car but if the car can have a faulty compressor and alternator from the factory, anything is possible.
With regards to the bumpy rear ride, I think the gauge at my regular pump is miscaliberated. Yesterday I put in 29psi in a fairly warm car and today it showed 31psi at about the same time in the afternoon but at the nitrogen fellow who is also a reputed tyre supplier for Bridgestone. He suggested to check the pressure with nitrogen after a week at his gauge again to see if the pressure has gone up.
Something I forgot to mention in previous post. I parked up, pulled the handbrake and as I was getting out of the car, I heard creaking from the rear left side. So I swayed the car and sure enough, there was creaking there. Creaking sound akin to an old wooden bed makes when you move around on it. I got out and pushed the car and the creaking was still there. I got in, dropped the hand brake, then raised it again and tried to sway the car, no creaking sound now.
Also, if you do release clutch incorrectly and have the car jerk in gear, you can hear the clutch chattering outside the car. The sound is similar to the sound of engaging gear but its frequency is the same as the clutch engaging and disengaging rapidly. I used to have sticky clutch problem in the Swift for the first month or so, not sure if this is similar
Just weird
Ameyam
@suryaputra,
I think its more of a centering problem. Try this- take the Baleno on a flat highway that you know is fairly straight and let it cruise at over 60kmph. You will see the car moves slightly to one side. Correct it. Now the car should move to the other side. This is either slop in the servo in that its not centering correctly or a bushing in the steering linkage has degraded (which would be stupid for a 20 day old car). I have already reported this to the ASC and they will check it like ice_wise said. That being said, I am going to get the ASC guys to check my wheel balancing and alignment. Sounds stupid to do it so early in a new car but if the car can have a faulty compressor and alternator from the factory, anything is possible.
With regards to the bumpy rear ride, I think the gauge at my regular pump is miscaliberated. Yesterday I put in 29psi in a fairly warm car and today it showed 31psi at about the same time in the afternoon but at the nitrogen fellow who is also a reputed tyre supplier for Bridgestone. He suggested to check the pressure with nitrogen after a week at his gauge again to see if the pressure has gone up.
Something I forgot to mention in previous post. I parked up, pulled the handbrake and as I was getting out of the car, I heard creaking from the rear left side. So I swayed the car and sure enough, there was creaking there. Creaking sound akin to an old wooden bed makes when you move around on it. I got out and pushed the car and the creaking was still there. I got in, dropped the hand brake, then raised it again and tried to sway the car, no creaking sound now.
Also, if you do release clutch incorrectly and have the car jerk in gear, you can hear the clutch chattering outside the car. The sound is similar to the sound of engaging gear but its frequency is the same as the clutch engaging and disengaging rapidly. I used to have sticky clutch problem in the Swift for the first month or so, not sure if this is similar
Just weird
Ameyam
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There is no hydraulic servo in the power steering of the baleno or any suzuki cars, you say there is a servo motor in EPS unit, yes it is, but if any minute problem like feedback from the torque sensor which is the part of the eps system you get immediate eps warning light. eps unit always feedback to torques sensor, ecm and BCM vice versa. I had gone through service manual extensively on EPS and BCM, the problems you sited are due to torque sensor if you want I can scan that page and post it but if torque sensor problems there you get EPS warning. There are no bushings in rack and pinion set up, and some bushings in suspension set-up, in the struct but they are nothing to do with cornering at this minimal mileage. one thing can be of toe in problem, but at at company the perfectly set the toe in. I never give my cars to do alignment at out side or MASS.
There is no hydraulic servo in the power steering of the baleno or any suzuki cars, you say there is a servo motor in EPS unit, yes it is, but if any minute problem like feedback from the torque sensor which is the part of the eps system you get immediate eps warning light. eps unit always feedback to torques sensor, ecm and BCM vice versa. I had gone through service manual extensively on EPS and BCM, the problems you sited are due to torque sensor if you want I can scan that page and post it but if torque sensor problems there you get EPS warning. There are no bushings in rack and pinion set up, and some bushings in suspension set-up, in the struct but they are nothing to do with cornering at this minimal mileage. one thing can be of toe in problem, but at at company the perfectly set the toe in. I never give my cars to do alignment at out side or MASS.
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@suryaputra,
Eps light will come on if the steering servi neutral position is outside the tolerances set by the manufacturer. For example, the xcent's steering moves from the 12.30 position to the 11.30 position with no change in the tyre tracking & there is no warning as its within tolerance. I am no expert on servo tracking, eps etc but i just feel the result- slight drift to left or right on straight highspeed runs. Lets see what the ASC says. 1st service wednesday.
By the way, if you dont do the alignment at MASS or outside, where do you do it?
Ameyam
@suryaputra,
Eps light will come on if the steering servi neutral position is outside the tolerances set by the manufacturer. For example, the xcent's steering moves from the 12.30 position to the 11.30 position with no change in the tyre tracking & there is no warning as its within tolerance. I am no expert on servo tracking, eps etc but i just feel the result- slight drift to left or right on straight highspeed runs. Lets see what the ASC says. 1st service wednesday.
By the way, if you dont do the alignment at MASS or outside, where do you do it?
Ameyam
Re: Suzuki's New Premium Hatchback Baleno Now Launched!
I have my own DIY alignment tools and balancing tools. MASS equipment is always out of calibration, even high end 3D outside units too. I have spoiled my car by going to MASS and outside alignment and balancing centres once in 5000kms, then I have extensively read and understood so called mystic alignment and balancing. After going through many tech DIY tool for alignment I made my own Alignment tool. That saved my car tyres, no tread loss on one side, no vibration above 80kmph and not leaning to one side, all problems solved permanently. I will write small article on demystifying alignment and DIY tool for alignment in two days.
I have my own DIY alignment tools and balancing tools. MASS equipment is always out of calibration, even high end 3D outside units too. I have spoiled my car by going to MASS and outside alignment and balancing centres once in 5000kms, then I have extensively read and understood so called mystic alignment and balancing. After going through many tech DIY tool for alignment I made my own Alignment tool. That saved my car tyres, no tread loss on one side, no vibration above 80kmph and not leaning to one side, all problems solved permanently. I will write small article on demystifying alignment and DIY tool for alignment in two days.
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