Why Hate Hyundai?

[furious_driver]

@Tornado

There is no argument here about Verna is a better handler than competition. I have made it clear even at OP. But then not everyone is an enthusiasts. So, instead of completely neglecting Hyundai, suggest Hyundai and ALERT the buyer on it's handling characteristics and let them choose.

I hate VW because of their service, yet I suggest the car to people with a little "ALERT". Not sitting here and complaining about Service. But instead people, doesn't even bother to suggest Hyundai, and even if someone do, they will start writing against it, stating only the negative things.

@P3T3R - I get what you are trying to say, and please "LISTEN to me", will you? I am not against any individual opinion. You are free to choose yours and same with me. But while suggesting in a public forum, why spread such bad name to a brand? Every brand has its own merit and demerit and just pointing that out is enough. You don't have to go on yelling about that with top of your lungs! And conveniently forget the good things.

 

[Vignesh_k]

Furious_Driver, I am really sorry to say this but I guess I have to-
Either you are very biased towards Hyundai and cannot tolerate the negative feedback it gets with respect to steering and handling OR you read only posts (that too only negative) related to Hyundai and do not read the negative feedback others get and also not the positive posts that Hyundai gets.

Hyundai is one of the most appreciated brands in this forum and other forums like Team-BHP for its parts quality, design, value for money, engine power and refinement, customer service network, excellent feature-set - always ahead of time and segment benchmarks. Do you never read these posts or choose to be silently happy with them and just crib on the negative posts?? The reason why people point out handling and steering feel while discussing Hyundai is because those are the main areas where they lag behind the competition. I have seen umpteen posts appreciating Hyundai on their efforts at improving these in Grand i10, Elite i20 and 4S Verna. Did you not see any of them??

Very few - very very few people go all against Hyundai. I have seen very less posts that are blatantly against Hyundai and asking people to stay away from them. So, please don't use a very small number of posts to arrive at a conclusion that the entire forum is waging a war against Hyundai.

To be frank, I have seen much more number of posts in various forums against other brands - Honda, Maruti, Tata, Skoda, VW for instance. Go to any ownership reports by a VW or Skoda owner, the post will have statements like "I was very apprehensive on Skoda / VW's reliability and A.S.S but still took the plunge as I like the car. Fingers crossed to have no issues with them.". I have not seen such serious comments on Hyundai. Honda is facing a lot of flak for its build-quality, lightness, plastic quality, etc. Maruti was always criticized for its tinny build and lack of safety features and poor interior quality. Dont even ask about Tata. Fiat is bashed endlessly for the poor tuning of their own engines, rubbery gearboxes and pathetic ergonomics. Ford was roasted all over for their pathetic export strategy ignoring local demand and their frequent and huge price hikes. Compared to all these, Hyundai is receiving a very less amount of criticism and all criticism is valid and acknowledged by the company in their newer products.

Please come out of the cocoon sir. There is a lot happening other than Hyundai criticism in this forum. There is a lot of Hyundai appreciation also. Why dont you go through them also, and enjoy and feel happy. Cheers!!!

 

[Akash1886]

Friends,

I feel there is no positive conclusion to the topic. If this brand is hated then why and how is this brand's products in top 10 selling vehicles list as of our sales figures of April 2015? Why is this brand having second largest share of automobile market in India after Maruti?

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Now, had this brand not enjoyed customer's respect, will it be surviving in our market till now?

People do have perceptions, and it is their opinions whether or not to refer/include a particular brand.

"Hate" is too harsh a term for a brand that is appreciated by Indians. If one really wants to understands what "Hate" actually means in terms of Indian buyers then go to SKODA dealership or GM Dealership.

People apart from being apprehensive, out-right "HATE" Skoda for their product reliability and after sales.

Regards

Akash

 

[furious_driver]

Please come out of the cocoon sir. There is a lot happening other than Hyundai criticism in this forum. There is a lot of Hyundai appreciation also. Why dont you go through them also, and enjoy and feel happy. Cheers!!!

Why am I feeling like I am getting more bashing, and not some fruitful discussion. I don't want to post anymore because it looks like I am leaning more towards Hyundai, but in reality, it is not. All I wanted was, to educate educated people and it proves to be just another failed attempt. It means, I failed to express myself and explain my point. Period.

@Akash1886

Numbers are not a problem. It is the hate of so-called-enthusiasts towards this. I hate mangoes, but I buy this for my kid and suggest to others who may like it. This is what I wanted to say, in laymen terms. I guess.

 

[Akash1886]

It is the hate of so-called-enthusiasts towards this.

No enthusiast shall ever hate a good/reliable product. I myself know of 2 of my immediate family members who also are member of TAI and own Hyundai vehicles.

My Maami has a pre-facelift Verna Fluidic and I10 along with M-Hawk Scorpio and my elder brother has 6 hyundai hatchbacks including santro, i10 and i20.

If people do not wan't to refer or buy a Hyundai then its their personal opinion and cannot be termed as "Hate". Nobody in the open or online media have come out and bashed the hell out of Hyundai so far unlike many other brands who have been in line of fire mostly.

Regards

Akash

 

[vm2011]

It is the hate of so-called-enthusiasts towards this.

@furious_driver - If you have noticed always enthusiasts requirement of a car doesn't always ( in fact, none) translates success to the manufacturer and that is the reason no manufacturer bring such cars as of now( barring a few and starting a tend! ).

But you should know what the enthusiast expects ? - dynamics, steering, stablilty at safe speeds in highways, etc and that is where Hyundai has failed not only here even internationally. They are known be feature rich car and offer the same at a decent price.
Now at the other end of the spectrum, we have VW setting the trend of an 'enthusiast cars' offering TSI's and have moderate success in that. But VW does not expect these cars will enable them to climb the charts? I guess -No.

I guess nobody is there to hate or like a manufacturer - 'Fanboyism' does exist in most but one should draw the line and know what to appreciate and what not.

In case of Hyundai I guess the Elite i20 has drawn great review mostly in all aspects and even in steering and handling it does show considerable improvement over the previous generation.
But If today I am looking for a premium hatch, I would pick of VW's TSI because my requirement is different , but that does not put Elite i20 a shade lower. But if I recommend a car to another, I will check his/her requirements and draw suggest and not blindly blank a manufacturer because I hate them.

 

[Vignesh_k]

Why am I feeling like I am getting more bashing, and not some fruitful discussion. I don't want to post anymore because it looks like I am leaning more towards Hyundai, but in reality, it is not. All I wanted was, to educate educated people and it proves to be just another failed attempt. It means, I failed to express myself and explain my point. Period.

No Furious_Driver. I think you are not getting my point. My point is short and simple.

• Hyundai has very very less haters - everyone, even the enthusiasts praise it for it's positives
• Those who have found shortcomings criticize them - which is not wrong IMO
• Hyundai is also taking note of these shortcomings and seriously working on them - this again is being appreciated widely in this forum

What I think is, you are only finding the "hate" posts and have raised it in this thread. But the reality there is a lot of appreciation for Hyundai in this forum and also most other brands get more bashing than Hyundai gets - and they deserve it too.

 

[furious_driver]

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What I think is, you are only finding the "hate" posts and have raised it in this thread. But the reality there is a lot of appreciation for Hyundai in this forum and also most other brands get more bashing than Hyundai gets - and they deserve it too.

Exactly. I knew there are lot of appreciations for Hyundai, and I am not denying that. But the hate part was very frequent these days, people started saying some things, which might give some wrong impression for new car buyer. Which is why I started this thread.

Hyundai deserve bashing for it's handling dynamics etc, but not pointing out pro's of a brand is not good for suggestions. Lets say A is A, and B as B. Don't hide anything while suggesting for a stranger we meet online!

 

[Altocumulus]

Exactly. I knew there are lot of appreciations for Hyundai, and I am not denying that. But the hate part was very frequent these days, people started saying some things, which might give some wrong impression for new car buyer. Which is why I started this thread.

These 'some things' are they wrong ?

If a prospective buyer just wants to stick to their choices why dont they just TD it and buy one. Why do they want to come to a forum and waste their time, asking questions ?

Hyundai's have poor handling, it's a fact which even the company themselves acknowledge. What's wrong in saying that ? To a person A that may not be important but to a B it maybe. Brio has a tiny boot. So that means I can't go and say that. Boot size maybe important to me but not to someone else and his priority is the sweet engine. You really think he wont buy the Brio because it doesn't have a boot ?
And to understand handling you do not need to drive at insane speed, even at 60 kmph you can understand handling, body roll, feedback ,etc. if one really understands what that is . How the steering weighs up, does the handling inspire confidence while driving / turning, most people won't even understand the difference between 2 cars.

Frankly, Korean cars like Hyundai are mocked by auto enthusiasts all over the world. Its not new. People joining a forum like this are taken to be auto enthusiasts and not someone who considers his car to be just as a mode of transport. For the latter a Hyundai with all the comfort features make sense at the same price range. For an enthusiast its the finer details which make or break a deal. I hated Hyundai engines, lifeless steering and their dependency on electronics. I am one who wants to rev upto 6k and get the push. In my budget the start stop button, 1GB memory, rear ac did not matter. For that a K12M engine made sense.

Lastly, as others pointed out Hyundai bashing are way less than VW /Skoda / Fiat / Ford / Tata, etc. Their market focus is the common man who doesn't care about safety , handling. They gave the market a lot of segment firsts like rear ac, electric folding mirrors, start stop button and that does woo a lot of customers. An Alto is for fuel efficiency and cheap buy. Thats why a Eon was not succesful compared to it, because for those customers FE is focus and not extra features and quality at extra cost. Similarly for someone in a forum it is kind of taken for granted that the finer details also matters, hence the negative comments about Hyundai or any other brand or even a specific car.

 

[Tornado]

@Akash, hyundai sales figures are high because Indian buyer gets swayed by looks & gizmos rather than more important things such as handling, steering response etc which is more important.And hyundai is not getting adequately criticised for that as it is evident on the sales chart.

 

[vijay_968]

... And verna, i20 is bit inferior to their competition in such situations.

I invite you to read two of my experiences here (go straight to the middle of section Handling and read from "On a Saturday at 7:30AM") http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/ownership-reviews/12620-hyundai-fluidic-verna-1-6-crdi-ex-30-000-kms-update.html
and
here http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/ownership-reviews/12620-hyundai-fluidic-verna-1-6-crdi-ex-30-000-kms-update-3.html#post433891

I'd say handling is adequate for the average man in me, who started driving a 800CC powered 4W only in the year 1999 and who is NEITHER race NOR rash driver.

 

[Tornado]

This is what I am trying to explain that in some situations (not always ) the handling is not adequate for average man (driver) also, as explained in in my E way experience earlier.
Verna & i20 engines are best engines available in that price range, such is their quickness that an average man doesn't realise many a times that he has crossed 100 kmph so early (refer to 0 to 100 kmph V box reading of Verna as compared to competition ) and entered in to risky speed on roads like E way, With such amazing 0 to 100 kmph quickness, don't you think steering feedback should be more precise than the competition especially when the car is costing 1 to 2 L more than competition?
If verna is not supposed to be driven above 80 kmph as per E way law, why the heck hyundai boasts about the v box readings, and if they are not boasting then why did they provided a quicker engine as compared to completion.?

 

[Akash1886]

Mr.Akash-
Please don't say Circumstances will teach them,as for this day (2 years since my road driving experience)- I haven't met with Road accident,by god's grace and I usually check the vehicle's condition before taking speeds,if at all its not my rides.

Dear Vishnu, I made a statement for the over-confident majority of driver and not well-informed and careful ones.

@Akash, hyundai sales figures are high And hyundai is not getting adequately criticised for that as it is evident on the sales chart.

Tornado, My intent to share the figures was only to make the OP understand, that people do not hate Hyundai rather its just that not everyone would buy or recommend it simply because of choice, taste and preference. I am not inclined towards any car or brand for that matter. My simple logic is, if you don't find a brand/vehicle suiting your needs then move on to the one that suits.

Regards

Akash

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

Mr.Furious Driver
Enthusiast accounts even the layman who doesn't know much about car,but loves driving.
As most others posted,Hyundai has to improve in Handling department,then it can be number 1 .
Through forums like this we don't blame a brand nor we are campaigning for them.

Each member with their own experiences in different cars comment their opinions.

Personally i don't hate hyundai but i hate your thread,it felt somewhat blaming.

 

[furious_driver]

Personally i don't hate hyundai but i hate your thread,it felt somewhat blaming.

This is the beauty of public forums and let us discuss till one gets tired!