The Ford Endeavour 3.2 Titanium – Built Tough


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Great news, I just hope FoMoCo allows the retrofitment and doesn't deny it for one reason or the other. I don't think Low Beam HID can be changed with LED though as the ballast for the same is integrated in the light itself.

The auto leveling motor issue was resolved and is unheard of in the current batches. Yes, properly aligned lights will surely help. Mine is with SYNC3.
You are right, Low Beam HID cannot be upgraded; it’s quite difficult to do it.

It was resolved long ago, but that was more about the alignment between the left and right beam and throws were lot shorter. This issue, what I meant was both the left & right beam are aligned but the focus is slightly upwards. You cannot notice it within the city or on a national highway. The only way to check, is in a state highway where there is a two way traffic in the same lane or at the ford service center were they adjust the focusing by projecting it on a wall with a thick horizontal line running across it. If the focusing is above the blue line then its brought down. In my Endeavour it was slightly above the blue line and after correction, the very next day I had been on a state highway & the difference was felt.
 
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In my Endeavour it was slightly above the blue line and after correction, the very next day I had been on a state highway & the difference was felt.
In my case, the cut-off was positioned quite low (link). Even after the DIY correction, the lights only became satisfactory and nothing out of the ordinary.
 
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Completing 5000 Kms
The run to 5000 Kms was completed recently. The truck is holding up nicely and whatever the situation demands, it is always up for the task without any fuss whatsoever. Recently a situation demanded every ounce of performance from the truck on a rainy day and it was delivered without any hesitation with the safety-net keeping things in check.

Overall, I am completely satisfied with the purchase and hope the truck takes me further without any fuss.

Cleaning the air filter
This time around, there was a lot of dust in the air filter after the last cleaning done around 2500 Kms.

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Tyre replacement – Upping the Safety quotient and adding comfort:

Even before buying the truck, I was asked to replace the tyres by a couple of friends but unfortunately none of them could answer the question on performance of stock MRF tyres as they swapped tyres right out of showroom. Ideally, that’s the best approach if you want most value for your stock tyres but having some faith in MRF tyres, I didn’t go with this approach.

Over the last 5K kms, the following observations about the stock MRF tyres were made:
a. Grip – the rains which followed since the purchase revealed how poor the tyres were with water dispersion and overall grip in wet. Experiencing aquaplaning in the city, while driving with-in speed limits, that too when climbing a flyover was shocking.
b. Noise – with the music off, you could hear a roar in the cabin which would increase with speed till 120 Kmph after which the wind noise would become more prominent. This roar became deafening on the concrete highways.
c. Comfort – the stiff sidewall ensured that the cushioning effect from the tyres itself was missing on minor undulations. The suspension would react to the bumps in the best way possible but the initial jerk due to stiff sidewalls meant the sharpness of the jerk was always felt.

The problem was defined and the search for answer started. For a & b, swapping to good tyres would be enough but to address c, there were 2 possible scenarios – either downsize to 17” rims with tyres 265/65R17 and maintain overall size with-in 0.3% of the original tyre or upsize the tyre on 18” rim itself.

The first scenario was quickly ruled out as it involved more dosage of Vitamin M (Money). There were no options available with the 17” rim in 8Jx17 size having ET55 offset and PCD 6x139.7 and playing with any of these numbers was not an option. Getting 3 more steel spare wheel rims which is 17” was the only solution to this option but the steel wheels would have taken away the premium look and affected resale whenever it would be done.

Look with the Spare wheel placed besides the rear wheel
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Even for the second scenario, there were only a few options but it was an eyeopener that the stock size was available in HT with premium brands (Michelin / Pirelli) and the stock size available in AT (Yokohama / Maaxis) was actually priced higher or at most similar to the price of the upsized version. It was clear that upsize would be the end solution all 3 problems involving the least dosage of Vitamin M.

The tyre size was finalized at 285/60R18 and this link was very helpful in understanding that the upsize would not require any re-engineering. As per this link, the section width would increase by 20mm (8%), sidewall would increase by 12mm (8%) and the overall diameter by 24mm (3%) over stock tyre. The increased sidewall coupled with a tyre having better rubber compound would definitely aid comfort. The only confusion was related to scrub radius being changed by -4mm over stock but Wikipedia suggested that it would provide greater stability.

Maaxis was ruled out due to majority criticism being on tyre noise. Yokohama was the only option it seemed in AT but with the past experience of punctures experienced in SFX, I was reluctant. It looked like the plan would be shelved but then Mr. Karan from Kartar Tyres came to the rescue. He suggested Nexen Roadian AT Pro RA8 tyre and the exchange price for the used MRF tyres was quite good.

A quick search revealed some good reviews about grip in wet, low noise and comfort with added advantage low tread wear. A video even claimed it to be among top 5 AT tyres and this tyre even won top score in Jeep test (link).

Finally on a visit to Delhi, the tyres were changed. Unfortunately, the balancing could not be done at his end due to non-availability of the right center cone and the same was performed at a separate shop. The wheels were labelled and fitted back at the same place to avoid learning of the TPMS sensor location which requires a visit to the Ford Secvice Center. The MRF’s looked as if they had developed uneven roughness and the tread depth was between 7mm to 7.5mm as opposed to 8.5mm found on the new spare tyre of the Endeavour itself. The new Nexen tyres had a tread depth exceeding 9.5mm and even their sidewall looks very aggressive. As per user reviews, they are known to be long lasting. They were manufactured in South Korea and looked like a recent import as the manufacturing date read 2817.

Tyres wrapped in their protection covering
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The label
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Jacked-up for the transformation
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Rear Tyre installed
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Comparing the last tyre with the stock MRF before install
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TPMS sensor on the rim
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Aggressive pattern on the sidewall
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The complete sidewall
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Fitting just inside the body
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Having covered close to 900 kms on the new tyres in a week, initial observations look promising. The transformation in comfort is most prominent – gone is the sharpness of any bump and it feels like you are literally floating over broken roads even at 32 Psi all around (MRF were back breaking even at 30 Psi). Grip in wet is quite good and it kicks out an exceptional amount of dirt from the road. Noise is well controlled as of now and I hope it stays that way. Only drawback is that it catches small stones very easily and the wider footprint might affect FE.
 
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Tyre replacement – Upping the Safety quotient and adding comfort:

Even before buying the truck, I was asked to replace the tyres by a couple of friends but unfortunately none of them could answer the question on performance of stock MRF tyres as they swapped tyres right out of showroom. Ideally, that’s the best approach if you want most value for your stock tyres but having some faith in MRF tyres, I didn’t go with this approach.

Over the last 5K kms, the following observations about the stock MRF tyres were made:
a. Grip – the rains which followed since the purchase revealed how poor the tyres were with water dispersion and overall grip in wet. Experiencing aquaplaning in the city, while driving with-in speed limits, that too when climbing a flyover was shocking.
b. Noise – with the music off, you could hear a roar in the cabin which would increase with speed till 120 Kmph after which the wind noise would become more prominent. This roar became deafening on the concrete highways.
c. Comfort – the stiff sidewall ensured that the cushioning effect from the tyres itself was missing on minor undulations. The suspension would react to the bumps in the best way possible but the initial jerk due to stiff sidewalls meant the sharpness of the jerk was always felt.

The problem was defined and the search for answer started. For a & b, swapping to good tyres would be enough but to address c, there were 2 possible scenarios – either downsize to 17” rims with tyres 265/65R17 and maintain overall size with-in 0.3% of the original tyre or upsize the tyre on 18” rim itself.

The first scenario was quickly ruled out as it involved more dosage of Vitamin M (Money). There were no options available with the 17” rim in 8Jx17 size having ET55 offset and PCD 6x139.7 and playing with any of these numbers was not an option. Getting 3 more steel spare wheel rims which is 17” was the only solution to this option but the steel wheels would have taken away the premium look and affected resale whenever it would be done.

Look with the Spare wheel placed besides the rear wheel
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Even for the second scenario, there were only a few options but it was an eyeopener that the stock size was available in HT with premium brands (Michelin / Pirelli) and the stock size available in AT (Yokohama / Maaxis) was actually priced higher or at most similar to the price of the upsized version. It was clear that upsize would be the end solution all 3 problems involving the least dosage of Vitamin M.

The tyre size was finalized at 285/60R18 and this link was very helpful in understanding that the upsize would not require any re-engineering. As per this link, the section width would increase by 20mm (8%), sidewall would increase by 12mm (8%) and the overall diameter by 24mm (3%) over stock tyre. The increased sidewall coupled with a tyre having better rubber compound would definitely aid comfort. The only confusion was related to scrub radius being changed by -4mm over stock but Wikipedia suggested that it would provide greater stability.

Maaxis was ruled out due to majority criticism being on tyre noise. Yokohama was the only option it seemed in AT but with the past experience of punctures experienced in SFX, I was reluctant. It looked like the plan would be shelved but then Mr. Karan from Kartar Tyres came to the rescue. He suggested Nexen Roadian AT Pro RA8 tyre and the exchange price for the used MRF tyres was quite good.

A quick search revealed some good reviews about grip in wet, low noise and comfort with added advantage low tread wear. A video even claimed it to be among top 5 AT tyres and this tyre even won top score in Jeep test (link).

Finally on a visit to Delhi, the tyres were changed. Unfortunately, the balancing could not be done at his end due to non-availability of the right center cone and the same was performed at a separate shop. The wheels were labelled and fitted back at the same place to avoid learning of the TPMS sensor location which requires a visit to the Ford Secvice Center. The MRF’s looked as if they had developed uneven roughness and the tread depth was between 7mm to 7.5mm as opposed to 8.5mm found on the new spare tyre of the Endeavour itself. The new Nexen tyres had a tread depth exceeding 9.5mm and even their sidewall looks very aggressive. As per user reviews, they are known to be long lasting. They were manufactured in South Korea and looked like a recent import as the manufacturing date read 2817.

Tyres wrapped in their protection covering
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The label
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Jacked-up for the transformation
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Rear Tyre installed
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Comparing the last tyre with the stock MRF before install
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TPMS sensor on the rim
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Aggressive pattern on the sidewall
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The complete sidewall
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Fitting just inside the body
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Having covered close to 900 kms on the new tyres in a week, initial observations look promising. The transformation in comfort is most prominent – gone is the sharpness of any bump and it feels like you are literally floating over broken roads even at 32 Psi all around (MRF were back breaking even at 30 Psi). Grip in wet is quite good and it kicks out an exceptional amount of dirt from the road. Noise is well controlled as of now and I hope it stays that way. Only drawback is that it catches small stones very easily and the wider footprint might affect FE.
Definitely the wider footprint will result in an improved ride & handling but F.E might go down by 0.5-1kmpl but it's worth the upgrade
 
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Definitely the wider footprint will result in an improved ride & handling but F.E might go down by 0.5-1kmpl but it's worth the upgrade
Would be too early to comment on the FE but as of now it's in the same ballpark. In the classic co-relation of pain vs gain, the gain from the new tyres simply outweigh the pain of their cost and marginal affect on FE [:)].
 
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Did a short trip involving imperfect and no roads at all. The comfort quotient has been raised several notches by the tyres [clap].

Sharing a pic from Diwali.
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Surely I will keep you all updated. Both these bulbs are of no use but Philips led with led bar will have a significant difference and also do check your low beam focusing with Ford. The auto leveling motor has a tendency to get mis-aligned but most owners fail to notice it. If the focusing is properly aligned then you will notice some difference and by the way which variant do you own and is it sync 2 or 3?
Hello Sorry for late reply It is the latest one with Sync3 and Inbuilt Navigation, May 2017 model. Crossed 8k mark and must say Endeavour is a real beast with fuel economy around 8.5kmpl.

On leveling issue I myself tried to adjust the low beam focus as I felt it was pointing too low. I feel left side is pointing more upward in comparison to right one. I rotated the knob to extreme positions on both sides with the help of screw driver.
 
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On leveling issue I myself tried to adjust the low beam focus as I felt it was pointing too low. I feel left side is pointing more upward in comparison to right one. I rotated the knob to extreme positions on both sides with the help of screw driver.
The beam cut-off should be just below the center of the bulb height when projected on the wall / screen from distance (say 2 inch below the center when projected from 25 feet). The cut-off for both the bulbs should then be adjusted to the same height.
 
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Sharing images of the manufacturer specified Tread Wear

Original MRF Wanderer (from the spare tyre) - Tread Wear rating 360
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New Nexen Roadian AT Pro RA8 - Tread Wear rating 560
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Clearly, the new Nexen tyres should last pretty long as compared to MRF.

 
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Visiting 2 service centers in a day

Had scheduled an appointment for general check-up due to an upcoming trip with Gautam Budh Ford for 12 November. Reached there on time (practically at the time of opening) but it was surprising to note that the requests had somehow not been communicated well. It was requested that the scan tool software itself be updated to latest version before the visit but that was not in order and was being done after I reached the place. Would have wasted close to an hour in the process but it was utilized by performing the general checks and cleaning the air filter. For the other job of replacing the stickers, more than communicated time was taken. Overall, the experience was not a good one as the atmosphere was dampened by some bad communication.

While returning home on the same day, one of the horn started working erratically. Got it checked at Orchid Ford and it was diagnosed that one of the connectors was causing the issue. The same was replaced but it was surprising to see the procedure adopted of simply cutting the original wires and taping the wires from the new connector. This is certainly not the right technique when there is a claim of 800mm water wading depth riding on.

Damage to pocket - NIL in both the visits all thanks to Ford India.
 
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