Tata Tigor (Kite-5) Compact Sedan Unveiled

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

yes, that is how it should be done. Bolt is pretty much a new car however, stark resemblance to vista is proved to be bane for it. any modification to the same would still prove to be useless. Its only the word of mouth that would help bolt.

one thing for sure is that in near future TATA BOLT moved to TATA market in the form of TATA Vista replacement

What Tata is doing is developing new car on Nexon platfom is a good strategy

Yes TATA Working on Premium HatchBack based on TATA Nexon design concept codenamed X451

Both TATA Nexon Compact SUV and TATA X451 premium hatchback shares almost 70 to 80% similar parts with different ground clearences and different front and rear faces

 

[vikyjoshi]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

one thing for sure is that in near future TATA BOLT moved to TATA market in the form of TATA Vista replacement

What I feel that Tata should do is replace depricate indica desgin completely, bring in vista design on current indica, the bolt on the vista. Come up with a new refereshing design for bolt.

Its kinda big thing to ask for. But why not have these appreciated designs in the cab world. After all cabbies are still the major source of revenues for Tata. Appreciate that and provide cabbies a better cars.

create a new brand showroom for cabbies. and have these good cars, vista, aria, sumo, indigoCS and Manza for the cabbies and keep the existing tata motors showrooms for non commercial passenger segment. with bolt, zest and other new launches.

Again being tata I wanted them to do bit more. Have dedicated showroom for SUVs and Cross overs.

SO I want Tata Cabs, Tata Cars, and Tata SUVs in 3 different branded showrooms. I am I asking too much?

 

[ratheesh]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

or atleast a different brand name for each other. If volkswagon keep the same name for audi ... I dont think it can sell well. You need to distinguish your brand clear to whom you're aiming at. See the nexa it's clear about whom they're aiming at.

 

[krishnavamshi24]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

I think Tata should do is make the current existing service centers as private owners only, and create service centres for taxi separately.

 

[jagrover]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Is this a replication of that condition, Tata launching in two extreme categories. Kite at low end and Hexa at high end..!!

 

[vikyjoshi]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Is this a replication of that condition, Tata launching in two extreme categories. Kite at low end and Hexa at high end..!!

Well, though the cars are on exterme bands, both are equally important. One which will instil confidence in buying a Tata car, and other helping tata gain much needed momentum in the UV space. So far baring storme, not much happeing in UV front, Sumo seems tobe loosing out steam a bit too fast.

 

[m_sherbet]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Tata Motors sold 2382 Nanos in Aug'15, 11% more than Jul'15. In the Indica/IndigoCS/Zest/Bolt category, sales jumped 20% M-o-M to 7922 units. Lets see which model(s) have helped this improvement. Sumo sales were higher by 16% M-o-M at 916 units, but Safari sales dropped 40% to 602 units. Total Passenger vehicle sales jumped 11% M-o-M at 11,832 units.

Sorry for posting it here. It was meant for the Sales Figures thread.

 

[jagrover]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Much needed UV push should come. A proper MUV based on X1 platform. But that is not in the cards. Only CSUV Nexon is in the making. Still Tata struggling to achieve 15000 mark. Some news on Raptor platform was there. But no clear picture. Kite seems to be tested well ironing out smallest of imperfections. Good for Tata and the new customers. Zest seems to impress the 'new Tata buyers' in a really good way. Hope word of mouth take the sales forward..!!!

 

[krishnavamshi24]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Well i do see more and more Zests on road now a days in Hyderabad which is a good sign, but i really wish tata's marketing team had done more. Look at Ciaz it has so much coverage and so many ads.

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Much needed UV push should come. A proper MUV based on X1 platform. But that is not in the cards. Only CSUV Nexon is in the making. Still Tata struggling to achieve 15000 mark. Some news on Raptor platform was there. But no clear picture. Kite seems to be tested well ironing out smallest of imperfections. Good for Tata and the new customers. Zest seems to impress the 'new Tata buyers' in a really good way. Hope word of mouth take the sales forward..!!!

The problem with Tata is that they got only four platforms.

1) Nano platform (can't be used much)
2) X0 platform which is a decade old and dated in terms of weight to power ratio
3) X1 (derived fromX0) already used for zest and bolt but with high waist line and same overweight and can be used further for CUV.
4) Aria platform and not that accomplished as far as the competition is concerned.

So Advanced moduler platform is much needed to be competitive in the market. Knowing Tata AMP might take years to get to production. Don't know what's the future. Maybe they will buy platform from some other company as they can only get platform for premium products from JLR. I read somewhere that they were in talks with cherry from china and Mitsubishi for small car platforms which didn't work out.

 

[jagrover]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

But they are doing a good job with the existing platforms. They don't have a monocoque chassis for MUV. They are taking Landrover platform for Q501 and Q502. MUV is a hot category. Everyone will get some volumes. UV sales are disheartening MoM. Below 10 lac MUV is much needed for volumes. There was a news like by 2017 they will completely withdraw Indica and Indigo. Kite twins are so crucial for volumes. Nano still doing 2K per month only. Zest doing 1800 to 2000 regularly.

Everything apart let Kite be launched ASAP. The model every Tata fan is waiting for.

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

Believe you me .. The existing platforms actually pulling them back. Bolt failed due to X1 platform shortcomings. As the waistline is pretty high and if they change the glass area it will come out pretty tall or it will loose headroom. But yes a CUV will be best on this platform.

And a premium hatchback or cross can be the best bet. They can increase the length upto 3.99 m which will help to visualize the height low ie i20 elite/scross

Just my thought and analysis of my own. May differ with others

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

The problem with Tata is that they got only four platforms.

1) Nano platform (can't be used much)
2) X0 platform which is a decade old and dated in terms of weight to power ratio
3) X1 (derived fromX0) already used for zest and bolt but with high waist line and same overweight and can be used further for CUV.
4) Aria platform and not that accomplished as far as the competition is concerned.

So Advanced moduler platform is much needed to be competitive in the market. Knowing Tata AMP might take years to get to production. Don't know what's the future. Maybe they will buy platform from some other company as they can only get platform for premium products from JLR. I read somewhere that they were in talks with cherry from china and Mitsubishi for small car platforms which didn't work out.

Few things need to currect on ur post sir

TATA Betting Big with Nano platform the are planing new car based on nano

TATA master in using existing platforms for new cars i agree that XO platform decade old but we can not judge that its not usable for modern cars upcoming TATA kite based on XO platform only its best suited for medium cars we can consider it as a type of moduler platform only remember tata launched 5 cars on X0 platform

X1 platform is not based on X0 platform its all new platform and TATA ZEST and BOLT failed to catch due to TATAs poor marketing strategy and some design resemblence to indica not because of X1 platform

for passenger space nano platfor ,X0 and X1 platforms are enough for tata to build long list of cars basically TATA takes more time to build right product due to their product development cost limits thats the reason behind tata always wanted to share parts with entire lineup

and I never think or thought that TATA will outsource compact car platforms from others because they dont need it they already super masters in building low cost high quality products

 

[kasscon]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

What am sharing ia an insight and am sure about the news that Tata were in talks with Cherry fot platform sharing which didn't work out.

I beg to differ here as the all five cars you mentioned were never best in class handlers and the weight of the car result in body roll, low mileage and other issues.

X1 platform was based on X0 and was highly re engineered by India team from the original pininfirana design.

Yes now they have good resources like Dr. Tim leverton and Pratap Bose which can build new generation platforms but will take time.

The challenge that Tata got is that they need AMP more than any other company because they have only India market where the design/model ages pretty fast and Tata reputation fail to sell enough volumes to get the cost recovered for the particular product.

Sir you mentioned about parts sharing - it's always good to share parts however not the way Tata practices it. Use it in wisely manner. Use engines, control stalks, platform suspension, seats, stearing system, ac equipments to name a few but not make them quite identical as what they did with 5 products you mentioned and specially bolt and to an extent Zest.

I have examples- they using the same Harman system in all cars. If they just change the outlook my be some buttons/capacitive touch and it will be termed as new and good for Hexa but Tata is Tata. And guess what it will not cost much money as we can see the same in mobile industry these days. I can name lot of phones with same tech parts inside but totaly different from outside.

What about gear box? Due to gear box limitations they were not able to use the best out of engine capabilities. They scrapped CR4 90 bhp, the revetron engine was actually capable for more power but gear box is not. Common Tata why? From last 5 to 6 years...no development on gear box

Sorry if am sounding devil as I want Tata to succeed and be the top player but Tata need to understand that at this point in time they need to do extra not the have baked efforts.

 

[navnit013]

Re: Tata Kite Compact Sedan (Indigo eCS Replacement)

I beg to differ here as the all five cars you mentioned were never best in class handlers and the weight of the car result in body roll, low mileage and other issues.

X1 platform was based on X0 and was highly re engineered by India team from the original pininfirana design.

Well, Never best in class handlers. Thats right. BUT they weren't pathetic either. And the weight has nothing to do with body roll. Its CoG. And low mileage!! What low mileage? If you are talking about fuel mileage, then you are wrong here. And then if your talking about the life of the chassis itself, then you are wrong again. If I am right, X1 was all new platform, and not based on X0. And X0 was not re-engineered pininfarina design. The car was designed by Idea. There is a reason why Indica was called Indias first indigenously developed car.

The X0 chassis was at par with the competition. It was good enough to retain it to rework (if the reports are to be believed) and get it up to date for their new products. So making assumptions about the final product with a little reported knowledge about the floor pan should be avoided.