Tata Tiago Review & Pictures: Tata's Tiara
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Yes picture will get clearer and clearer as the product will be used by end user.
Better design and good testing before customer delivery result in good sale numbers, provided marketing is in place. TATA is clearing the minefields planted by Indica. Zest was in the front to take most of fire.
TATA has learned customers are not product testers.
Better design and good testing before customer delivery result in good sale numbers, provided marketing is in place. TATA is clearing the minefields planted by Indica. Zest was in the front to take most of fire.
TATA has learned customers are not product testers.
2.5 inch DIS is the driver information system, which sits between the speedo and tacho. It has nothing much to do with the stereo.
What was not known to me was the feasibility of a 2 din stereo adapter for tiago. The link which i posted shows a tiago with a 2 din or similarly large stereo. So it is feasable. No idea about its availability.
26k seems a bit high, you can have unbranded chinese android based touch screen with bluetooth, gps, video playback, pre outs, etc for less than 12k afaik. I do not know the whereabouts of that particular ad in olx.
What was not known to me was the feasibility of a 2 din stereo adapter for tiago. The link which i posted shows a tiago with a 2 din or similarly large stereo. So it is feasable. No idea about its availability.
26k seems a bit high, you can have unbranded chinese android based touch screen with bluetooth, gps, video playback, pre outs, etc for less than 12k afaik. I do not know the whereabouts of that particular ad in olx.
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The question is not about to save the windscreen at the cost of passengers health/safety. But the real thing is the damage which can be avoided & another thing is though windscreen is laminated but it's breaking does involve shattering of glass particles which may or may not cause injury to persons nearby. Spontaneously anything can happen but isn't avoiding such issue as such or leaving it to break is a technical/engineering negligency.
I'm enquiring about Tata Tiago here not about any other car.
I'm enquiring about Tata Tiago here not about any other car.
This is an example of engennering negigence
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news...ed-051716.html
Engineering Negligence :) suddenly we get greedy!
e.g Do you know what is the torsional rigidity of normal "paper" cars we are driving as compared to TATA cars? i don't know the exact number but its much better than competition for any TATA car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvpSpd3au20
BTW for your information there is so much of techonology present in Tiago to avoid accidents (breaking of windscreens/display of engineering negligence) ABS, corner stability, Pretensioner of seatbelts.
There is something called engineering crime! e.g Not providing automatic headlight dimmer and making a lobby for not allowing it to happen. Not implementing Euro 6 standards etc.
Which is much more harmful than engineering negligence!
Unfortunately it's normal these days to have engineering crime! in India.
One of the scenarios under one circumstance, and so much of concern.
Imagine somebody not buying TIAGO because of this reason "laminated windscreens cracks when airbags open" despite having features to avoid such situation (ABS,Corner stability etc)
Yes Tiago is not perfect car and it score 90/100 but other cars which have those 10 missing points (as they have no airbags on passenger seats) despite having score of 50-60/100 are better ! I don't aggre.
I know tiago is being considered but comparison is with competitor, u agree or don't agree.
breaking does involve shattering of glass particles which may or may not cause injury to persons nearby
what about car hitting the person(nearby)? :)
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news...ed-051716.html
Engineering Negligence :) suddenly we get greedy!
e.g Do you know what is the torsional rigidity of normal "paper" cars we are driving as compared to TATA cars? i don't know the exact number but its much better than competition for any TATA car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvpSpd3au20
BTW for your information there is so much of techonology present in Tiago to avoid accidents (breaking of windscreens/display of engineering negligence) ABS, corner stability, Pretensioner of seatbelts.
There is something called engineering crime! e.g Not providing automatic headlight dimmer and making a lobby for not allowing it to happen. Not implementing Euro 6 standards etc.
Which is much more harmful than engineering negligence!
Unfortunately it's normal these days to have engineering crime! in India.
One of the scenarios under one circumstance, and so much of concern.
Imagine somebody not buying TIAGO because of this reason "laminated windscreens cracks when airbags open" despite having features to avoid such situation (ABS,Corner stability etc)
Yes Tiago is not perfect car and it score 90/100 but other cars which have those 10 missing points (as they have no airbags on passenger seats) despite having score of 50-60/100 are better ! I don't aggre.
I know tiago is being considered but comparison is with competitor, u agree or don't agree.
breaking does involve shattering of glass particles which may or may not cause injury to persons nearby
what about car hitting the person(nearby)? :)
There are a few places from where you can get the double din fitment piece. I got mine sent to me from twister car accessories in vishakapatnam (vizag). "Indo CN india" has a Facebook page and also has the double din fitment piece available. I paid Rs.1900 for mine. The piece is a perfect fit with finish similar to the stock fitment for single din systems. But mine isn't fixed properly because I got the system fitted at my tata dealership and the accessories guy is completely useless there :( he hasn't fixed any of my accessories properly, left my dash full of scratches and delayed pickup of my car. After delaying pickup also only when I came to pick up my car he again made me wait for an hour because he did not do all the work and was only starting then. He broke the double din panel I gave him and fitted the system too deep. He has now promised to fit an official tata one free of cost when they arrive. Absolutely disappointed with the accessories person. Rest of my experience with tata is good but the only 2 accessories he installed are the things that are still giving me trouble. The remote locking system and fitting my double din system. I have attached some useful pictures. The picture with the gaps and blaupunkt system is mine, and the picture with the pioneer system is from someone else who got a system fitted with the exact same fitment panel I bought.
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Just a Maruti SUZUKI car is not safe doesn't means a Tata car is safe.
Try to get some logic in my previous post than turning to be offensive.
The situation as in video linked you above can crush any car, be it Corolla or any else. Just think the inertia & momentum of these moving trucks.
AIRBAGS are meant to reduce the damage & fatality of accidents in such conditions. Life & accident are in the hands of a God, else everybody is a great & sensible driver in him/herself.
Its better to not to have an Airbag at Passengers side than having a faulty or a fatal one. I appreciate a well designed one.
Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues.
Try to get some logic in my previous post than turning to be offensive.
The situation as in video linked you above can crush any car, be it Corolla or any else. Just think the inertia & momentum of these moving trucks.
AIRBAGS are meant to reduce the damage & fatality of accidents in such conditions. Life & accident are in the hands of a God, else everybody is a great & sensible driver in him/herself.
Its better to not to have an Airbag at Passengers side than having a faulty or a fatal one. I appreciate a well designed one.
Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues.
I said "as compared to" and look what you make out of it. :)
This kind of Logic was what prompted me to make you understand difference between engineering negligence and Crime.![[frustration]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Frustration.gif "Frustration [frustration]")
"Situation in the video" sorry but you need to understand more about better designed cars in terms of there torsion strength.
A better designed car may or may not survive that situation but surely better designed car would have survived similar situation of lesser gravity. (I hope you don’t get the logic)
"not to have an Airbag at Passengers side than having a faulty or a fatal one"
How can you make such a statement? seems you have done some research on air bags,based on which you are passing this judgement!
Please try to understand the meaning of faulty and fatal air-bags.
If you don’t have patience of reading the article links i have attached earlier, then do google about "takata airbag recall" you will come to know what you are saying![[confused]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Confused.gif "Confused [confused]")
https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...C8gfJjZGgDA#channel=fs&q=takata+airbag+recall
Every design hole cannot be "labelled" as fatal.
Workaround for this ( one situation which i hope never happens with anyone )
Attach/Put a loose mat in the trajectory of air-bag hitting the windscreen
"Life & accident are in the hands of a God" I totally agree but designing good cars and not passing negative judgement on subjects which one doesn’t know is purely in humans control.
"Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues."
sorry but this applies more to you :) but seems you are already very offended.
Anyway just chill I have no intentions to offend you but to tell you what you are saying is factually and logically incomplete (seems like you took things personally) Buying a car for yourself is purely your choice :)
Despite a "big admirer" of Tiago, if you feel it has faulty and fatal Airbag, DONT EVER BUY the product due to the doubt which will kit the pleasure of using the product or sitting in front passenger seat!
I admire the design of product at a giving price point be it tiago or polo or ecosport.
This kind of Logic was what prompted me to make you understand difference between engineering negligence and Crime.
"Situation in the video" sorry but you need to understand more about better designed cars in terms of there torsion strength.
A better designed car may or may not survive that situation but surely better designed car would have survived similar situation of lesser gravity. (I hope you don’t get the logic)
"not to have an Airbag at Passengers side than having a faulty or a fatal one"
How can you make such a statement? seems you have done some research on air bags,based on which you are passing this judgement!
Please try to understand the meaning of faulty and fatal air-bags.
If you don’t have patience of reading the article links i have attached earlier, then do google about "takata airbag recall" you will come to know what you are saying
https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...C8gfJjZGgDA#channel=fs&q=takata+airbag+recall
Every design hole cannot be "labelled" as fatal.
Workaround for this ( one situation which i hope never happens with anyone )
Attach/Put a loose mat in the trajectory of air-bag hitting the windscreen
"Life & accident are in the hands of a God" I totally agree but designing good cars and not passing negative judgement on subjects which one doesn’t know is purely in humans control.
"Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues."
sorry but this applies more to you :) but seems you are already very offended.
Anyway just chill I have no intentions to offend you but to tell you what you are saying is factually and logically incomplete (seems like you took things personally) Buying a car for yourself is purely your choice :)
Despite a "big admirer" of Tiago, if you feel it has faulty and fatal Airbag, DONT EVER BUY the product due to the doubt which will kit the pleasure of using the product or sitting in front passenger seat!
I admire the design of product at a giving price point be it tiago or polo or ecosport.
Happened to read in TBHP that Tiago has recieved a total booking of 25K+ till date. Asssuming that they had 22K in June then tata have managed to add another 3K in the month of July. So i guess as the backlogs are cleared the number should settle around 3K.
I said "as compared to" and look what you make out of it. :)
This kind of Logic was what prompted me to make you understand difference between engineering negligence and Crime.
"Situation in the video" sorry but you need to understand more about better designed cars in terms of there torsion strength.
A better designed car may or may not survive that situation but surely better designed car would have survived similar situation of lesser gravity. (I hope you don’t get the logic)
This kind of Logic was what prompted me to make you understand difference between engineering negligence and Crime.
"Situation in the video" sorry but you need to understand more about better designed cars in terms of there torsion strength.
A better designed car may or may not survive that situation but surely better designed car would have survived similar situation of lesser gravity. (I hope you don’t get the logic)
"not to have an Airbag at Passengers side than having a faulty or a fatal one"
How can you make such a statement? seems you have done some research on air bags,based on which you are passing this judgement!
Please try to understand the meaning of faulty and fatal air-bags.
If you don’t have patience of reading the article links i have attached earlier, then do google about "takata airbag recall" you will come to know what you are saying
https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...C8gfJjZGgDA#channel=fs&q=takata+airbag+recall
Every design hole cannot be "labelled" as fatal.
Workaround for this ( one situation which i hope never happens with anyone )
Attach/Put a loose mat in the trajectory of air-bag hitting the windscreen
"Life & accident are in the hands of a God" I totally agree but designing good cars and not passing negative judgement on subjects which one doesn’t know is purely in humans control.
"Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues."
sorry but this applies more to you :) but seems you are already very offended.
Anyway just chill I have no intentions to offend you but to tell you what you are saying is factually and logically incomplete (seems like you took things personally) Buying a car for yourself is purely your choice :)
Despite a "big admirer" of Tiago, if you feel it has faulty and fatal Airbag, DONT EVER BUY the product due to the doubt which will kit the pleasure of using the product or sitting in front passenger seat!
I admire the design of product at a giving price point be it tiago or polo or ecosport.
How can you make such a statement? seems you have done some research on air bags,based on which you are passing this judgement!
Please try to understand the meaning of faulty and fatal air-bags.
If you don’t have patience of reading the article links i have attached earlier, then do google about "takata airbag recall" you will come to know what you are saying
https://www.google.co.in/search?cli...C8gfJjZGgDA#channel=fs&q=takata+airbag+recall
Every design hole cannot be "labelled" as fatal.
Workaround for this ( one situation which i hope never happens with anyone )
Attach/Put a loose mat in the trajectory of air-bag hitting the windscreen
"Life & accident are in the hands of a God" I totally agree but designing good cars and not passing negative judgement on subjects which one doesn’t know is purely in humans control.
"Do clarify & publish post further if you have a quality content or content asked, rather than to mess up just being a admirer of a product. I do admire Tiago, instead I'm a big one & that's why the most sensible one about its issues."
sorry but this applies more to you :) but seems you are already very offended.
Anyway just chill I have no intentions to offend you but to tell you what you are saying is factually and logically incomplete (seems like you took things personally) Buying a car for yourself is purely your choice :)
Despite a "big admirer" of Tiago, if you feel it has faulty and fatal Airbag, DONT EVER BUY the product due to the doubt which will kit the pleasure of using the product or sitting in front passenger seat!
I admire the design of product at a giving price point be it tiago or polo or ecosport.
Attaching here a video link also,
https://youtu.be/xJlcnEQLbQswhich shows how an Airbag damages the windshield & from it you can get the idea by how it can be fatal.
Everbody have right to talk, post his query related to the subject here.
If you're correct, then get the right information & prove this matter correct else stop creating mess, if you can't contribute rightly to the subject.
You are a Great judge with bad judgement.
You will make judgement and later when it is questioned you only will decide that you are not making judgements :)![[clap]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
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Seeing the situation in larger aspect is not diverting the topic. please switch on you mind.
No amount of logic or information can convince closed minds.
trying to help by providing you some information(very relevant to topic touched by you, interestingly which you don't know) but if you are not willing to understand and simply wants to get entangled in judgements and accusations to settle score, and label it with your choicest remarks, then what can be said.
Seems only relevant thing for you is if someone says you are correct.
Thank you so much for granting me the "RIGHT TO TALK" and giving me liberty to post.
For general public information/helpPlease draft guidelines for definition (according to you) to contribute rightly, which you are beating the drum again and again!!!!
Passing judgement without any background knowledge ? when challenged you started feeling offended and started making nonsense comments to counter that.
Seeing things in closed manner with closed mind ? when someone try to give wide picture of topic, start reacting like ENO in water!
You win judge saibh :) I loose
You will make judgement and later when it is questioned you only will decide that you are not making judgements :)
Seeing the situation in larger aspect is not diverting the topic. please switch on you mind.
No amount of logic or information can convince closed minds.
trying to help by providing you some information(very relevant to topic touched by you, interestingly which you don't know) but if you are not willing to understand and simply wants to get entangled in judgements and accusations to settle score, and label it with your choicest remarks, then what can be said.
Seems only relevant thing for you is if someone says you are correct.
Thank you so much for granting me the "RIGHT TO TALK" and giving me liberty to post.
For general public information/helpPlease draft guidelines for definition (according to you) to contribute rightly, which you are beating the drum again and again!!!!
Passing judgement without any background knowledge ? when challenged you started feeling offended and started making nonsense comments to counter that.
Seeing things in closed manner with closed mind ? when someone try to give wide picture of topic, start reacting like ENO in water!
You win judge saibh :) I loose
Airbags deploy in a situation of strong frontal collision where most of the times front glass also will be damaged.
I am not discussing here about any design or engineering or something. Its not about Tiago or some other car in specific.
If I need to choose a car I will choose a Strongly built car which brakes the windshield over the other car, which is not that strongly built and doesn't brake the glass.
Because, Most of the times, we will end up claiming total loss in case of such accidents.
As per my previous experience, broken front glass hardly matters if the passenger uses the seat belts. Provided car is not doing some insane speeds.
I am not discussing here about any design or engineering or something. Its not about Tiago or some other car in specific.
If I need to choose a car I will choose a Strongly built car which brakes the windshield over the other car, which is not that strongly built and doesn't brake the glass.
Because, Most of the times, we will end up claiming total loss in case of such accidents.
As per my previous experience, broken front glass hardly matters if the passenger uses the seat belts. Provided car is not doing some insane speeds.
Exactly bulls eye JagadishA
Moreover it's good to choose a car which have features (ABS, Corner stability, Pretensioner)to prevent such a situation.
Off topic but we are in the last phase of HUMAN driving cars, as driverless cars are about to make manual driving redundant. thus improving the safety by many folds.
Moreover it's good to choose a car which have features (ABS, Corner stability, Pretensioner)to prevent such a situation.
Off topic but we are in the last phase of HUMAN driving cars, as driverless cars are about to make manual driving redundant. thus improving the safety by many folds.
Folks thank you for the extensive discussion w.r.t built quality of the car and a minor design flaw.
Looks the car is well built and breaking of windshield is a design error.
I wish tata actively monitor such fourms and come up with a solution for the flaw and continue to provide well built cars in future as well.
Wish let's not take anything personal and continue to have healthy discussions as always![[cheers]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Cheers.gif "Cheers [cheers]")
Looks the car is well built and breaking of windshield is a design error.
I wish tata actively monitor such fourms and come up with a solution for the flaw and continue to provide well built cars in future as well.
Wish let's not take anything personal and continue to have healthy discussions as always
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e.g of torsion rigidity and its significance
2010 Volkswagen Polo | car review @ Top Speed
QUALITY AND PASSIVE SAFETY
Top results when it comes to static rigidity High body quality and passive safety are very “perceptible” aboard a car, especially in the rigidity of the car body. This is quite evident on the new Polo, because the Volkswagen offers an excellent value of static torsional rigidity at 180,000 Nm/°. The reason: a car body’s static rigidity is a key technical property and an important and relevant parameter in evaluating subjective parameters such as safety, quality, and of course driving comfort. The high static rigidity of the new Polo is attained, among other things, by high-strength and very high-strength steels and the right structural design for loading and reinforcement of
body nodal points.
2010 Volkswagen Polo | car review @ Top Speed
QUALITY AND PASSIVE SAFETY
Top results when it comes to static rigidity High body quality and passive safety are very “perceptible” aboard a car, especially in the rigidity of the car body. This is quite evident on the new Polo, because the Volkswagen offers an excellent value of static torsional rigidity at 180,000 Nm/°. The reason: a car body’s static rigidity is a key technical property and an important and relevant parameter in evaluating subjective parameters such as safety, quality, and of course driving comfort. The high static rigidity of the new Polo is attained, among other things, by high-strength and very high-strength steels and the right structural design for loading and reinforcement of
body nodal points.