Tata Safari Storme Vs Rest of the Competition

[manojodungat]

@ Manoj - does any of your relative own a mahindra jeep or a Scorpio ?

No.But one of them used to have a safari.

 

[Raja]

No.But one of them used to have a safari.

Which relatives suggested you to go for Scorpio as you have mentioned in your ownership report ?

 

[manojodungat]

Which relatives suggested you to go for Scorpio as you have mentioned in your ownership report ?

thanks for visiting my ownership thread. The one who owned safari did have his share to help me finalise on scorpio.

Originally Posted by manojodungat
No.But one of them used to have a safari.

 

[Raja]

thanks for visiting my ownership thread. The one who owned safari did have his share to help me finalise on scorpio.

Yes but rest of them advised you without owning a mahindra or tata product ?

 

[Gurrala74]

I am an owner of Scorpio sle and there wasn’t a single problem which was unsorted at ASS in a day during my regular services.

This is something we really need to understand

-Initial niggles (appear immediately after launching product and starts disappearing after some time where manufacturer correct them) are acceptable for any new launched vehicle

-other niggles which occur and keep repeating at any point of time say even after few years of its launch, this is not acceptable by a customer and the reliability of vehicle is counted with this

So

as per your statement which looks to be very weak by saying that there were lot of niggles or issues but they were attended promptly(these are initial niggles), that's not a big deal and great and I really hate to take the help sales numbers of any vehicle to prove it is great then what is great ??

some thing like this : I bought a Ritz almost 2 years back and there is no single niggle or issue which worry me yes this is called great about a vehicle and called VFM and here the sales number of Ritz really doesn't matter to me and if somebody want an advise from me on Ritz, I will say yes closing my eyes, BUT I warn them about body roll in corners at speeds which is not a issue but its due to the design of the vehicle

So, now question yourself what is a niggle, till when it can be tolerated and what is niggle free completely, what is true VFM what is not

So when we talk about Scorpio, just check other thread in our forum where one of member is breaking his head with a brand new scorpio issues and our fellow members are trying their best to cool him down with some advises which looks like "when a baby is crying, you give some dolls, a biscuit and chocolate"

 

[manojodungat]

Yes but rest of them advised you without owning a mahindra or tata product ?

Raja,Why do you want pull my relatives here buddy?

I did have my own personal[subjective] reasons to go with scorpio. And I had asked my relatives back home to talk to various people around who owned tatas and mahindras to get a perspective from the public/common man point of view ASS inclusive.You also must have discovered that I had owned a Tata before buying Scorpio.

Today I am glad that I don't regret my decision to go for Scorpio and am planning to keep it for another two years more.

 

[Raja]

Raja,Why do you want pull my relatives here buddy?

I did have my own personal[subjective] reasons to go with scorpio. And I had asked my relatives back home to talk to various people around who owned tatas and mahindras to get a perspective from the public/common man point of view ASS inclusive.You also must have discovered that I had owned a Tata before buying Scorpio.

Today I am glad that I don't regret my decision to go for Scorpio and am planning to keep it for another two years more.

No iam not debating or saying your desicion was wrong buddy I respect it and this is what I have been saying its better to follow your instinct rather then following the herd . Tommorow if the vehicle proves good and yet sales only 5 units per month one if feels right can go for it .

And like you said its imp that you enjoy the vehicle and it serves you good and you dobt regret it irrespective of it sells good or bad , rather then concentrating on sales figures which is only good if you are a share holder of the company .

High sales simply dosent indicate great product and vise a versa as simple as that .

Regarding a.s.s - here I agree that the desicion can change in any favour , for example the a.s.s of mahindra in some town can be horrible its better to go with tata and vice a versa .

 

[manojodungat]

as per your statement which looks to be very weak by saying that there were lot of niggles or issues

What niggles that I faced are you talking about. I said whatever things are to be done during regular services were done on the same day which also includes tightening of nuts/bolts,seats etc.

 

[Gurrala74]

What niggles that I faced are you talking about. I said whatever things are to be done during regular services were done on the same day which also includes tightening of nuts/bolts,seats etc.

read your own comments below

"I am an owner of Scorpio sle and there wasn’t a single problem which was unsorted at ASS in a day during my regular services."

My response was for the same. you have quoted"problem" and I did not know that problem means nuts/bolts

 

[manojodungat]

No iam not debating or saying your desicion was wrong buddy I respect it and this is what I have been saying its better to follow your instinct rather then following the herd . Tommorow if the vehicle proves good and yet sales only 5 units per month one if feels right can go for it .

Ok. Nobody says here that one needs to look at the sales chart and decide which vehicle to go for. At least I wouldn't do that.

But what I can't understand is if a vehicle is getting a consistent and a good number of takers every month shouldn't be that it has some thing better than its competitions in its segment? And if a vehicle is only getting say as small as 5,especially when the company shows desperate efforts by offering huge and mouth watering discounts, isn't weird?

If not tell me what could be the reason behind it ? Just blame the marketing department only?

read your own comments below

"I am an owner of Scorpio sle and there wasn’t a single problem which was unsorted at ASS in a day during my regular services."

My response was for the same. you have quoted"problem" and I did not know that problem means nuts/bolts

OT
If some of those nuts and bolts are not fastened properly it could very well lead to disaster.So please donot ignore them.

 

[Superbad]

Ok. Nobody says here that one needs to look at the sales chart and decide which vehicle to go for. At least I wouldn't do that.

But what I can't understand is if a vehicle is getting a consistent and a good number of takers every month shouldn't be that it has some thing better than its competitions in its segment? And if a vehicle is only getting say as small as 5,especially when the company shows desperate efforts by offering huge and mouth watering discounts, isn't weird?

If not tell me what could be the reason behind it ? Just blame the marketing department only?

just to elaborate on your point

people do not go blindly for a vehicle regardless of the brand.

it does tick some boxes they desire.

else why would a Swift D has long wait but a ritz based on the same platform have almost none.

same can be said for the Astar,Sx4 and the Zen estilo(here comparing to the older zen)

the same reason innovas sell more than an etios or for that matter an overpriced fortuner.

 

[Raja]

Ok. Nobody says here that one needs to look at the sales chart and decide which vehicle to go for. At least I wouldn't do that.

But what I can't understand is if a vehicle is getting a consistent and a good number of takers every month shouldn't be that it has some thing better than its competitions in its segment? And if a vehicle is only getting say as small as 5,especially when the company shows desperate efforts by offering huge and mouth watering discounts, isn't weird?

If not tell me what could be the reason behind it ? Just blame the marketing department only?

We can say many things here , perception of the product in the market which can be influenced by many things .
and iam saying here is that if a product sells more it not * allways * means a better product then a product which sells less . See the difference is there comming to the point related to this thread if storme sells less dosent mean its some inferior product . It can be a inferior product inspite of selling 4000 units per month .
Now inferior or superior in what sense can be highly subjective .

@ Superbad

Again what are you talking are subjective choices , so as per your logic is etios a bad product ? Carabiker and freakdude are extremely happy owners and does less sales make ritiz a bad product ? ask Gurralla he is extremely happy . So are the owners of sx4 and astar . Again you are comming to the same point high sales means allways better product and less sales means bad .

Again to stress the point etios , liva , ritiz , astar , sx4 , linea , punto inspite of being less sold products the owners are happy which further makes a strong case which I and tornado ( Pune ) are saying less sales dosent mean a inferior product .

 

[dharmesh]

We can say many things here , perception of the product in the market which can be influenced by many things .
and iam saying here is that if a product sells more it not * allways * means a better product then a product which sells less . See the difference is there comming to the point related to this thread if storme sells less dosent mean its some inferior product . It can be a inferior product inspite of selling 4000 units per month .
Now inferior or superior in what sense can be highly subjective .

@ Superbad

Again what are you talking are subjective choices , so as per your logic is etios a bad product ? Carabiker and freakdude are extremely happy owners and does less sales make ritiz a bad product ? ask Gurralla he is extremely happy . So are the owners of sx4 and astar . Again you are comming to the same point high sales means allways better product and less sales means bad .

Again to stress the point etios , liva , ritiz , astar , sx4 , linea , punto inspite of being less sold products the owners are happy which further makes a strong case which I and tornado ( Pune ) are saying less sales dosent mean a inferior product .

I think no point in banging head here. .
Sales chart means a product is doing good. Take eg. Swift D, but as well we al are aware of the brakes issue of L and V variations. . So this is where herd's mentality comes into picture. Even after knowing the issues, people are buying Swift D like anything, Despite better products available in market for the same price range.

 

[Tornado]

@ manoj ,I have dragged few qoutes from TAICOTY and some other thread to simlify the matter here.On TAICOTY thread ,trophy will be given to car based on the votes received by the carslaunched in year 2112.The Duster has won thepoll.

The quotes bellow shows that suzuki dzire has got hardly 2% votes ,and alto 800 got little more than dzire.

Great to know that you did not voted for a car(storme) which is still under study(not yet launched fully and driven for a distance so as to conclude anything by fellow TAIans), though you liked it very much.My problem is that I haven't TD duster yet. So whom to vote ?

But I must congratulate all voters who showed the exit doors to the Swift Dzire (~2% votes till now), the car doesn't need to be driven or TD so as to vote here. I hope MSIL takes something positive out of the vote and stops stupifying its fans.No wonders , Alto 800 wins hands down over the dzire.

Do you really think a poll can show exit door to MSIL and India number one entry level sedan which is being sold in great number around 13500
per month.This poll is meant for Car lovers not for all buyers who believe in reliability and practicality,I guess can anyone find a single dzire owners who hate dzire.
Maruti Suzuki Sales in November 2012

Oh my god ! Admins , please tell us why you have added a sedan which is comletely reserved for taxi segment (yellow Regn.Plate) by MSIL and why you have excluded other taxis.

@Ertiga zmr , I didn't said exit door to MSIL , I said exit door to swift dezire.
This poll is in favor of Ertiga and alto 800 AFA MSIL is concerned.


BTW, This poll is meant for car students and not for car lovers/buyers.IMO. If you think it is for car lovers and not for buyers then why did you posted a link reflecting buyers figure?

IMO, old swift dzire is yet not discontinued.They are selling it in taxi model just like indicab .
The' maruti suzuki' logo is replaced by a sticker , and' dzire' logo is replaced by ' DzireTour' sticker .To me , they appeared OE. need to confirm.

Dzire Tour is the cab version of old Dzire & is completely base model. It competes with Etios & Verito in cab market. It comes with black bumpers & owner needs to get it painted at additional cost.

Yes , The sedanswift dzire is not discontinued .But MSIL has cleverly hunted the herd mentality of Indian buyers.They launched a compact sedan to avail sub 4 meter excise benefit, named it swift dzire again.So the admins.correctly nominated it here as a 2112 launch .Sad part is that MSIL didn't passed the excise benefits to its custemers , and very few people know these facts .But voters here showed it its place.
On TAI atleast , it is revealed that good numbers doesn't mean good product always.

Cogratulations duster for the trophy
One thing needs clarification here that less votes does not mean bad car.Q3 and camray are also good even though they they have received lesser votes than alto and dzire.

Yes ,manoj ,maketing team is to be blamed but for the best seller as dzire sales number does not reveal that they have mixed up the taxi sedan with the sub4 m dezire. I have revealed it

But for low sellers ,their marketing team is bliss for the buyer .If due to poor marketing the company has to declare discount (mouthwatering) that means the share of profit which goes to SE,dealer and company's marketing team is awarded to the custemer.So for them it is custemers duty to find out bad and good about the product for which he will be paid in the form of direct cash discount on the spot .Why to bother about the marginal benefits due to resale value of a car of a best seller, few years latter ,when the hefty amount is saved on first day of ownership. ? So go for a car after intellegence based reaserch,again it is very imporatant to find out the reason behind discounts ,is it the possibility of the discontinuation or just low sales figure?
Marketing teams of best seller usually take undue benefit of a truth ,'best sellers does not always mean bad product'.





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[Superbad]

I still do not know why some imply something which i have not said.
All i have mentioned is
1)there are good products which have not garnered decent sales.
But they are consistent in their numbers.
2) there are products which had an euphoric start with regards to sales, but later troubles with A.S.S Or some other reasons their sales dwindled.
There can be products which have Gone amiss but then those products sales figures do not fluctuate, their sales remain consistent throughout its timeline.

I again state it that i have only mentioned if a product does good numbers consistently over long periods of time, in case of the scorpio, a decade, it ticks more boxes than what the competition in that segment has to offer.