Tata Safari Storme Vs Rest of the Competition

[Raja]

I just wanted to say that everything can not be justified on the basis of numbers.Atleast we tax payers should analyse the things rationally. Sales number only matters if it is so low that it leads to discontinuation of a product leading to spare part availability problem.

+10000
And even if the car is discontinued the car maker has to provide service and parts to the owner of the car for a certain period of time .

High sales can be great for car makers and share holders , I don't understand what kind of kick does it provides in buying a car on basis of numbers alone it is precisely called " herd mentality "

“Herd” Mentality Explained | Psych Central News

 

[Superbad]

+10000
And even if the car is discontinued the car maker has to provide service and parts to the owner of the car for a certain period of time .

High sales can be great for car makers and share holders , I don't understand what kind of kick does it provides in buying a car on basis of numbers alone it is precisely called " herd mentality "

“Herd” Mentality Explained | Psych Central News

the term herd mentality is apt for products which never took off in sales department like punto,aria. since they never found a favour among customers.

but with tata vehicles, that should not be the case, remember sumo was the fastest to rach 1 lac sales, same goes with nano and indica.

safari number should have been better earlier i guess, but they have dropped later on,

there have to be some factors which TML did wrong which has factored in lower sales right?

 

[MrRanger]

I also read elsewhere that Storme VX 4x4 costs 17.2L OTR in Bangalore. Are you joking?

please give me complete price list for all varients, Im just wondering how it becomes 17+lac .

 

[Raja]

the term herd mentality is apt for products which never took off in sales department like punto,aria. since they never found a favour among customers.

but with tata vehicles, that should not be the case, remember sumo was the fastest to rach 1 lac sales, same goes with nano and indica.

safari number should have been better earlier i guess, but they have dropped later on,

there have to be some factors which TML did wrong which has factored in lower sales right?

See what clicks in a market is a very very difficult thing to prove unless we have strong data or studies , infact car markers do such kind of studies yet fail in their guesstimation.

What iam saying here is if nano starts selling 10000 per month dosent make it automatically a great product because its selling in high numbers . Similarly if Scorpio sells great or may not sell great we can't conclude its good or bad product on sales numbers alone .

Yes maybe tata motors priced the variants of safari from ex model a bit higher then Scorpio so the sales must have come down , but the point here is what TML is doing and mahindra is doing to sell their vehicles is there problem buddy , if I get a product from either of them which sales 10,000 or 10 per month if its a overall good product it dosent matter in long run .

My point here just because a X car sells more then Y car dosent make it a better product allways .

 

[Tornado]

i apologise .

It is a nice deplomatic way to avoid answering a question.

There can’t certainly be 4000 stupids every month going for Scorpio. Please don’t bring in here Villagers, illiterates, people getting rich by selling land etc as I am bored of reading the same then and again. Let us also give due respect to village and villagers and act a bit more civilized.

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Well I respect villagers more than the automobile fans and my car for growing food which is essential for all.
But if they sell the land for buying a car ,respect them ?
Now the illitetates , yes ,their numbers really make a difference ,when I saw 200+ crowd present in waiting rooms of quacks than the - 10 people waiting in neurophysician or andrologist. Courtsey : quacks advts in public toilets.

For me,those m&m owners are definitely respectable who advocate it for the satisfaction gained due to product than who take help of sales figures to prove the goodness of product.

 

[Superbad]

It is a nice deplomatic way to avoid answering a question.

because i have seen a lot of threads who have their grouse with the safari and arias and still havent been satisfied yet.

but its said i am not authorised to talk about TML since i do not own them, so let it stay that way.

i apologised not to avoid the discussion but to avoid a heated debate.

 

[Raja]

because i have seen a lot of threads who have their grouse with the safari and arias and still havent been satisfied yet.

but its said i am not authorised to talk about TML since i do not own them, so let it stay that way.

i apologised not to avoid the discussion but to avoid a heated debate.

Superbad such threads exist in both the camps , because expectations of owners varies . Some may document them on web world some may not . The point here is simple does this equation is allways true
High sales = great product and low sales = bad product ? Well IMHO its not allways true history has given us many examples of low selling products being great too .

 

[MrRanger]

because i have seen a lot of threads who have their grouse with the safari and arias and still havent been satisfied yet.

but its said i am not authorised to talk about TML since i do not own them, so let it stay that way.

i apologised not to avoid the discussion but to avoid a heated debate.

In fact I read more reports of XUV than aria when it comes to electrical n electronic issues,
suspension and brake issue of scorpio is still in its DNA so chill

 

[Superbad]

Superbad such threads exist in both the camps , because expectations of owners varies . Some may document them on web world some may not . The point here is simple does this equation is allways true
High sales = great product and low sales = bad product ? Well IMHO its not allways true history has given us many examples of low selling products being great too .

i am looking for the total picture. the initial phase (euphoric phase) and how the product fares along the time.

the great products that have not fared well have consistent numbers to show, but if there is inconsistency, something is wrong somewhere.

 

[Raja]

i am looking for the total picture. the initial phase (euphoric phase) and how the product fares along the time.

the great products that have not fared well have consistent numbers to show, but if there is inconsistency, something is wrong somewhere.

About euphoric figures I agree , but the point remains the same does low sales = bad product ?

 

[manojodungat]

For me,those m&m owners are definitely respectable who advocate it for the satisfaction gained due to product than who take help of sales figures to prove the goodness of product.

I am an owner of Scorpio sle and there wasn’t a single problem which was unsorted at ASS in a day during my regular services. There wasn’t a single instance of break down or any of that sort in my 3.5 years of ownership. There hasn’t been any issue with braking or suspension. Last July I drove this vehicle from Goa to Palakkad in a go with my wife,mother and father on board. None of us had any discomfort at all during and after that long drive about 18 hours on NH-17. I get an average FE of around 12km/L with 100% AC ,even after the vehicle is kept idle for most part of the year.

Do you see a simple correlation between this ownership experience of mine and the consistency in the higher number of sales of Scorpio?

Banglore has a extremely high tax structure any vehicle seems over priced there , if you find the price a joke well there are many options you can go and buy them just ignore the storme

With regard to the OTR price of 17L I mentioned ,when I read it I was surprised rather shocked. May be its only me. I wish that quote is and remain a joke. If there anybody from Bangalore who can update on this?

Raja,if that price is true do you think it is justified?

 

[dharmesh]

low sales == bad product? Naaaahhhhhhh. Best example here is Punto. And this is not from any other article from internet. My personal experience. 13.5 months and 25000KM plus I have driven my car. without any major issue [touchwood] and still going strong.

Which type of roads my Punto have not traveled, how many times she have scrapped her belly, but still going strong.

low sales == bad product and higher sales == good product? this goes well for common people, but this is not what I expect from car enthusiast.

higher sales == good product is true in most cases, but don't we know that there are better options (say product) available in market as well? if answer is no, then no point in taking debate ahead.

 

[Raja]

low sales == bad product? Naaaahhhhhhh. Best example here is Punto. And this is not from any other article from internet. My personal experience. 13.5 months and 25000KM plus I have driven my car. without any major issue [touchwood] and still going strong.

Which type of roads my Punto have not traveled, how many times she have scrapped her belly, but still going strong.

low sales == bad product and higher sales == good product? this goes well for common people, but this is not what I expect from car enthusiast.

higher sales == good product is true in most cases, but don't we know that there are better options (say product) available in market as well? if answer is no, then no point in taking debate ahead.

+100 this is precisely the point me and tornado are stressing. High sales and low sales can be a thought to consider for the car maker and their profits . Or people who are share holders of the company in question.

I am an owner of Scorpio sle and there wasn’t a single problem which was unsorted at ASS in a day during my regular services. There wasn’t a single instance of break down or any of that sort in my 3.5 years of ownership. There hasn’t been any issue with braking or suspension. Last July I drove this vehicle from Goa to Palakkad in a go with my wife,mother and father on board. None of us had any discomfort at all during and after that long drive about 18 hours on NH-17. I get an average FE of around 12km/L with 100% AC ,even after the vehicle is kept idle for most part of the year.

Do you see a simple correlation between this ownership experience of mine and the consistency in the higher number of sales of Scorpio?



With regard to the OTR price of 17L I mentioned ,when I read it I was surprised rather shocked. May be its only me. I wish that quote is and remain a joke. If there anybody from Bangalore who can update on this?

Raja,if that price is true do you think it is justified?

justified or not is purely subjective. You and me might not feel,but some 1 might feel its justified. If you are asking my personal ( subjective )view here? from long I have been saying storme lx is a perfect bang for your buck then any other model.
Beside that ,many owners like you are also reporting the same story for safari aswell

 

[Superbad]

low sales == bad product? Naaaahhhhhhh. Best example here is Punto. And this is not from any other article from internet. My personal experience. 13.5 months and 25000KM plus I have driven my car. without any major issue [touchwood] and still going strong.

Which type of roads my Punto have not traveled, how many times she have scrapped her belly, but still going strong.

low sales == bad product and higher sales == good product? this goes well for common people, but this is not what I expect from car enthusiast.

higher sales == good product is true in most cases, but don't we know that there are better options (say product) available in market as well? if answer is no, then no point in taking debate ahead.

already clarified on my post here

the term herd mentality is apt for products which never took off in sales department like punto,aria. since they never found a favour among customers.

but with tata vehicles, that should not be the case, remember sumo was the fastest to rach 1 lac sales, same goes with nano and indica.

safari number should have been better earlier i guess, but they have dropped later on,

there have to be some factors which TML did wrong which has factored in lower sales right?

 

[Raja]

@ Manoj - does any of your relative own a mahindra jeep or a Scorpio ?