I read the previous posts before posting and know that you are happy with vistas . My post was based on your post qouted by me and your vote in favour of ' not at all satisfiedoption.
Tata Motor’s Cars – The Ultimate Reliability Survey
- Thread Starter Raja
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Re: Tata Motor’s Cars – The Ultimate Reliability Survey
Bharat,I am happy with the vista quadrajet because of its interior space and the engine.
swift and ritz are more expensive so not affordable.
I am getting a 95% finance on vista from tata finance and a discount in maintenance for taxi's and the dealer gives us a good service as we ignore rattling and such things that we are not very much concerned of.
In case of V2 it cannot be considered as reliable on points on previous posts.
Bharat,I am happy with the vista quadrajet because of its interior space and the engine.
swift and ritz are more expensive so not affordable.
I am getting a 95% finance on vista from tata finance and a discount in maintenance for taxi's and the dealer gives us a good service as we ignore rattling and such things that we are not very much concerned of.
In case of V2 it cannot be considered as reliable on points on previous posts.
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@ alex , one of my friend is likely to purchase v2 , I am against it and want him to g o for ev2 or TDI vista or qjd , please opine to help us http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...mpact-sedan-considering-daughters-safety.html
thread as the car would be chauffeur driven most of the time.
thread as the car would be chauffeur driven most of the time.
Re: Tata Motor’s Cars – The Ultimate Reliability Survey
Bharat, I suggested Punto emotion as the need is more on safety.
Bharat, I suggested Punto emotion as the need is more on safety.
@alex , I was also in favour of punto .But my friend is more concerned about budget , so SRS safty features have taken a backseat .Now he is behind v2 , but after your posts on V2 , I have warned him against v2 .So please contribute there.
Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
@raja: They have no new team itseems. The Service Centre owner himself say still they have not found out any solution for major problems in any car
The New Indigo CS FIP problem
The New Sumo Gold updated version Oil Leak Problem
The New Manza Also having unreliable Suspension Problems.
The New Indica CR4 also FIP and water pump problem.
The Vista often getting problems with the Fan Motors and Power windows
They them self say its only a eye wash
Same way in STORME rattling noises don't have a permanent solution and Gear Box/Gear rod noises?
Some vehicle Cylinder vacuum is not formed and instead air enters which make clutch suddenly very hard and non operateable,Then you have to stop the vehicle bring it to N-Gear pump the clutch and then you have to move it.
@raja: They have no new team itseems. The Service Centre owner himself say still they have not found out any solution for major problems in any car
The New Indigo CS FIP problem
The New Sumo Gold updated version Oil Leak Problem
The New Manza Also having unreliable Suspension Problems.
The New Indica CR4 also FIP and water pump problem.
The Vista often getting problems with the Fan Motors and Power windows
They them self say its only a eye wash
Same way in STORME rattling noises don't have a permanent solution and Gear Box/Gear rod noises?
Some vehicle Cylinder vacuum is not formed and instead air enters which make clutch suddenly very hard and non operateable,Then you have to stop the vehicle bring it to N-Gear pump the clutch and then you have to move it.
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Thread Starter
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Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
Have you read atleast what is " horizon next " ?
If yes I request you to read it 2-3 times again and understand what it is exactly .
.
Kindly read this part
Tata Motors announces new customer oriented Horizonext strategy | CarTrade.com
The cars launched not even a month back and you have already updates for them ?
The new manza you mean club class ?
All this problems are already sorted out , tornado can enlighten us . And you might be having problems with your chennai a.s,s and tata motors is not only limited to chennai it functions all over India . Horizon next itself is a strategy to fix a.s.s which are not functional .
Kindly post links/source which precisely show the problems in the new cars you are mentioning .
Statements like " all know " " it is common " " they themselves say " will not do , you need to back up your post with link/ source since its a public forum .
And why don't you write letter or email to Karl regarding this , he is known to take quick action .
They means who ?
.
Since ambipur spoiling the storme interiors was also tata motors quality problem for you .
Let owners of storme on this very forum agree that they are facing this problem on daily basis I tend to belive them more since they are owners and living with the car everyday .
@ owners of storme
Can owners of storme on the forum agree that their SUV is having problem stated by mr Maran prashant on daily basis , after the required updates done by tata motors ?
If yes then kindly post them because it needs to be updated on the xuv vs storme thread . We have posted niggles of xuv there and nigggles of storme too .
But mr Maran prashant is updating some latest niggles which I have atleast not read on any forum . But if it is indeed true then nigggles need to be updated on that thread to give readers a proper and fair account of problems not just in xuv but storme too .
Have you read atleast what is " horizon next " ?
If yes I request you to read it 2-3 times again and understand what it is exactly .
.
Kindly read this part
Tata Motors announces new customer oriented Horizonext strategy | CarTrade.com
The cars launched not even a month back and you have already updates for them ?
The new manza you mean club class ?
All this problems are already sorted out , tornado can enlighten us . And you might be having problems with your chennai a.s,s and tata motors is not only limited to chennai it functions all over India . Horizon next itself is a strategy to fix a.s.s which are not functional .
Kindly post links/source which precisely show the problems in the new cars you are mentioning .
Statements like " all know " " it is common " " they themselves say " will not do , you need to back up your post with link/ source since its a public forum .
And why don't you write letter or email to Karl regarding this , he is known to take quick action .
They means who ?
.
Since ambipur spoiling the storme interiors was also tata motors quality problem for you .
Let owners of storme on this very forum agree that they are facing this problem on daily basis I tend to belive them more since they are owners and living with the car everyday .
@ owners of storme
Can owners of storme on the forum agree that their SUV is having problem stated by mr Maran prashant on daily basis , after the required updates done by tata motors ?
If yes then kindly post them because it needs to be updated on the xuv vs storme thread . We have posted niggles of xuv there and nigggles of storme too .
But mr Maran prashant is updating some latest niggles which I have atleast not read on any forum . But if it is indeed true then nigggles need to be updated on that thread to give readers a proper and fair account of problems not just in xuv but storme too .
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Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
@Raja : THe Service Manager only has told and TML them self accept buddy its the same DELPHI FIP in the New IndigoeCS also.
Manza Suspension even club class shows its character from 25000Kms onwards.
Mostly All 2012 and club class manza have a major issue with the Airconditioner that still exists and there is no solution at all, temprory solution they provide is reduce the quantity of gas and they state that this avoids freezing or mal function of thermostat.
I understood the concept and its others who have to Understand well.
The Horizonext states better sales and service as their AIM.
But there is no focused training or quality changes to be done in A.S.S.
THe Techinicians are not trained for betterment and still the same.
Quality Issues and feedbacks are not fully recevied/ seen by Mr.Karl.
The same old people are going to manage the techincal and sales stuffs in all the region.
What do you mean by Product quality Improvement?
The TATA MOTORS OE parts are worst than the company fitted parts.
After various tests also they deliver a improper vehicle only.
Sumo Gold the day 1 Kept in showroom have oil leak
Indigo eCS previously my commercial vehicle got replaced 2-3 times in each vehicle and many complaints of clutch and so the last update clutch was fine and the clutch whoich was last updated to me is only coming in the New series.
Injector from DELPHI TVS is a big head ache and you can ask about that with your local ASS also.
WHen the parts like Injector,Clutch water pump are not solved or cleared before releasing the vehicle and how is the ownership experience going to be good?
Long Term Ownership
They TASS people are feared to change the parts under warranty, After changing the part its 60% chance only that they approve warranty and hence they makeup something and send the vehicle out of garage.
There is no proper CSMs to guide or support the ASS so intern the customer is only affected
The same AmbiPure is used in Innova manza Indica Indigo nothing is affected. It should be duplicate or the lamination meterial of the blower should be a cheap quality
@Raja : THe Service Manager only has told and TML them self accept buddy its the same DELPHI FIP in the New IndigoeCS also.
Manza Suspension even club class shows its character from 25000Kms onwards.
Mostly All 2012 and club class manza have a major issue with the Airconditioner that still exists and there is no solution at all, temprory solution they provide is reduce the quantity of gas and they state that this avoids freezing or mal function of thermostat.
I understood the concept and its others who have to Understand well.
The Horizonext states better sales and service as their AIM.
But there is no focused training or quality changes to be done in A.S.S.
THe Techinicians are not trained for betterment and still the same.
Quality Issues and feedbacks are not fully recevied/ seen by Mr.Karl.
The same old people are going to manage the techincal and sales stuffs in all the region.
What do you mean by Product quality Improvement?
The TATA MOTORS OE parts are worst than the company fitted parts.
After various tests also they deliver a improper vehicle only.
Sumo Gold the day 1 Kept in showroom have oil leak
Indigo eCS previously my commercial vehicle got replaced 2-3 times in each vehicle and many complaints of clutch and so the last update clutch was fine and the clutch whoich was last updated to me is only coming in the New series.
Injector from DELPHI TVS is a big head ache and you can ask about that with your local ASS also.
WHen the parts like Injector,Clutch water pump are not solved or cleared before releasing the vehicle and how is the ownership experience going to be good?
Long Term Ownership
They TASS people are feared to change the parts under warranty, After changing the part its 60% chance only that they approve warranty and hence they makeup something and send the vehicle out of garage.
There is no proper CSMs to guide or support the ASS so intern the customer is only affected
The same AmbiPure is used in Innova manza Indica Indigo nothing is affected. It should be duplicate or the lamination meterial of the blower should be a cheap quality
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Thread Starter
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Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
And ?
Source / link / pics please .
Why are you worried about others ?
Correct for comming years . Not the past .
Let the implementation begin atleast![[frustration]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Frustration.gif "Frustration [frustration]")
Write on Karl's twitter and then report here .
So you know the regional strategy of tata motors too![[clap]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
I don't mean anything . But tell me did you seriously read the article patiently about " horizon next " ?
Pic/ source / link please .
I won't ask since iam not intrested in Indigo ecs car sorry .
Did you read " horizon next " properly ?
Your expreince in Chennai can be different . All storme owners who have changed their parts had no problem .
Did you read horizon next ?
Why don't you take ambipur and put that on your dash and post some pics for us buddy ?
According to your vast , indepth knowledge which you share with us here can you tell me Audi has better quality parts used in interiors or Innova ?
Read this for easy reference posting some links for you to read , all owners are from uk , Australia and other countries and none have tata cars .
I kindly request you again that when you claim something on a public forum back it up with source / link / pics .
Ambi Pur - Damaged Interior
What Ambi Pur did to my car - RX8Club.com
Has anyone had problems with Ambi pur car air fresheners, the type that clip on to your dash air vents? - Yahoo!7 Answers
Ambi Pur Stain [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums
The 8th GEN CIVIC CLUB :: View topic - perfume oil stain on dashboard
Ambi Pur Stain [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums
And ?
Source / link / pics please .
Why are you worried about others ?
Correct for comming years . Not the past .
Let the implementation begin atleast
Write on Karl's twitter and then report here .
So you know the regional strategy of tata motors too
I don't mean anything . But tell me did you seriously read the article patiently about " horizon next " ?
Pic/ source / link please .
I won't ask since iam not intrested in Indigo ecs car sorry .
Did you read " horizon next " properly ?
Your expreince in Chennai can be different . All storme owners who have changed their parts had no problem .
Did you read horizon next ?
Why don't you take ambipur and put that on your dash and post some pics for us buddy ?
According to your vast , indepth knowledge which you share with us here can you tell me Audi has better quality parts used in interiors or Innova ?
Read this for easy reference posting some links for you to read , all owners are from uk , Australia and other countries and none have tata cars .
I kindly request you again that when you claim something on a public forum back it up with source / link / pics .
Ambi Pur - Damaged Interior
What Ambi Pur did to my car - RX8Club.com
Has anyone had problems with Ambi pur car air fresheners, the type that clip on to your dash air vents? - Yahoo!7 Answers
Ambi Pur Stain [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums
The 8th GEN CIVIC CLUB :: View topic - perfume oil stain on dashboard
Ambi Pur Stain [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums
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Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
@Raja and Prasanth,
IMHO, you both are discussing very valuable information about TATA motors in TATA Storme dedicated thread. I think this discussion should be in "Whats wrong with TATA motors" thread and might be useful for all the visitors of that thread. To answer Prasanth on problems on Vista since we have one which crossed 30k within less than a years time and touch wood car just keep going without a single issue and being used in villages and complete bad roads![[:)]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Smile.gif "Smile [:)]")
@Raja and Prasanth,
IMHO, you both are discussing very valuable information about TATA motors in TATA Storme dedicated thread. I think this discussion should be in "Whats wrong with TATA motors" thread and might be useful for all the visitors of that thread. To answer Prasanth on problems on Vista since we have one which crossed 30k within less than a years time and touch wood car just keep going without a single issue and being used in villages and complete bad roads
Thread Starter
#236
Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
Thanx for letting us know . Since Maran prashant has a lot of things to update he must update them on that thread ofcourse with pics/ link / source .
The ambi pur pics and links are posted because mr Maran prashant claimed that its is not fault of ambi pur but low quality of dashboard used in storme which is the problem . So just had to enlighten him that ambi pur forget storme even screws up Audi 's , honda civics , accura's dashboard too .
@Raja and Prasanth,
IMHO, you both are discussing very valuable information about TATA motors in TATA Storme dedicated thread. I think this discussion should be in "Whats wrong with TATA motors" thread and might be useful for all the visitors of that thread.
To answer Prasanth on problems on Vista since we have one which crossed 30k within less than a years time and touch wood car just keep going without a single issue and being used in villages and complete bad roads
IMHO, you both are discussing very valuable information about TATA motors in TATA Storme dedicated thread. I think this discussion should be in "Whats wrong with TATA motors" thread and might be useful for all the visitors of that thread.
To answer Prasanth on problems on Vista since we have one which crossed 30k within less than a years time and touch wood car just keep going without a single issue and being used in villages and complete bad roads
The ambi pur pics and links are posted because mr Maran prashant claimed that its is not fault of ambi pur but low quality of dashboard used in storme which is the problem . So just had to enlighten him that ambi pur forget storme even screws up Audi 's , honda civics , accura's dashboard too .
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Re: Tata Safari Storme Road Test Drive Review
- I have Manza 2012 , done 11K in last 9 months in BANGALORE horrible roads, I invite you to drive my car to find any rattle or suspension sound.
- Manza AC is chiller, Owners or Vento/Rapid/Corolla who have driven/taken ride my car were taken aback by AC cooling effect. Over cooling AC cannot be stated as a problem in a hot country like India.
- Ambipur even caused stains in my earlier Wagon R and Santro. They also use inferior material according to you.
Kindly note, in India no manufacturer is perfect. Do you think issues dont crop in Maruti/Hyundai/Mahindra vehicles? The major problem with TATA is TASS and not the manufacturing per se.
- I have Manza 2012 , done 11K in last 9 months in BANGALORE horrible roads, I invite you to drive my car to find any rattle or suspension sound.
- Manza AC is chiller, Owners or Vento/Rapid/Corolla who have driven/taken ride my car were taken aback by AC cooling effect. Over cooling AC cannot be stated as a problem in a hot country like India.
- Ambipur even caused stains in my earlier Wagon R and Santro. They also use inferior material according to you.
Kindly note, in India no manufacturer is perfect. Do you think issues dont crop in Maruti/Hyundai/Mahindra vehicles? The major problem with TATA is TASS and not the manufacturing per se.
Re: What’s Wrong with Tata Motors? An Open Letter To Karl Slym
@Anshuman8: My manza compeleted 31000Kms and Vista 22000Kms and I have many commercial vehicles with me and most of them are TML vehicles.
I had told you after 25000Kms and your stating that your MAnza is 11K done what is the use?
And YES if it causes damages its inferior only what ever the brand may be.
IF you people want come chennai and check my vehicles.
If you could read the sentence properly it could be better as I have told you the Manza A/C due to high cooling or defective Thermostat gets freezed and yor stating as if I said the cooling is low?
@Raja & Gurrala :AmbiPur I didn't any issue with any vehicle. We actually stopped using Ambipur long back as they were costly and returned to the Old POPPY itself.
IS all AmbiPur defective or any particular colour/fragrance?
Have the affected people made any case or complaint against AmbiPur?
@Raja : Even the DiCOR Engines of TML are having DELPHI FIP only remember it in our mind except Manza and Vista all FIP are made from DELPHI only.
I read as well as saw the HORIZONEXT so what is that you want to be understood from that?
@Anshuman8: My manza compeleted 31000Kms and Vista 22000Kms and I have many commercial vehicles with me and most of them are TML vehicles.
I had told you after 25000Kms and your stating that your MAnza is 11K done what is the use?
And YES if it causes damages its inferior only what ever the brand may be.
IF you people want come chennai and check my vehicles.
If you could read the sentence properly it could be better as I have told you the Manza A/C due to high cooling or defective Thermostat gets freezed and yor stating as if I said the cooling is low?
@Raja & Gurrala :AmbiPur I didn't any issue with any vehicle. We actually stopped using Ambipur long back as they were costly and returned to the Old POPPY itself.
IS all AmbiPur defective or any particular colour/fragrance?
Have the affected people made any case or complaint against AmbiPur?
@Raja : Even the DiCOR Engines of TML are having DELPHI FIP only remember it in our mind except Manza and Vista all FIP are made from DELPHI only.
I read as well as saw the HORIZONEXT so what is that you want to be understood from that?
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Re: What’s Wrong with Tata Motors? An Open Letter To Karl Slym
Please don't get me wrong. This is healthy discussion only. Suspension problems are not only TATA's problem, Hyundai has also its share of it.
Please read -
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...spension-problem-hyundai-verna-fluidic-2.html
Cheers,
Anshuman
Please don't get me wrong. This is healthy discussion only. Suspension problems are not only TATA's problem, Hyundai has also its share of it.
Please read -
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...spension-problem-hyundai-verna-fluidic-2.html
Cheers,
Anshuman
Thread Starter
#240
Re: What’s Wrong with Tata Motors? An Open Letter To Karl Slym
Iam not able to understand , since you have been claiming since long that there is no change in quality of the cars made by tata motors , why you yet keep buying them ? ![[confused]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Confused.gif "Confused [confused]")
I have sat in a vista taxi which had done 83,000 Kms and the owner was quite happy so ?
Damages of what ?
Since you don't have any experience with ambipur and how it damages the inetriors why were you giving bold statements before that it is not ambi pur but the quality of dashboard in storme the culprit ?
You dint even bother to read what the OP had posted , nor you read links which I had posted before for your easy reference .
You clearly don't read anything which people post , the links which they provide .
So what iam suppose to do ?
What have you understood you think so far ?
Since you are claming the brand new indigo es, new sumo gold , indica launched just a month ago are having problems , so when are you going to provide us links/source so we can all read and enlighten ourselves how cars launched a month ago are having so many problems which you have been claiming so far .
I have sat in a vista taxi which had done 83,000 Kms and the owner was quite happy so ?
Damages of what ?
Since you don't have any experience with ambipur and how it damages the inetriors why were you giving bold statements before that it is not ambi pur but the quality of dashboard in storme the culprit ?
You dint even bother to read what the OP had posted , nor you read links which I had posted before for your easy reference .
You clearly don't read anything which people post , the links which they provide .
So what iam suppose to do ?
What have you understood you think so far ?
Since you are claming the brand new indigo es, new sumo gold , indica launched just a month ago are having problems , so when are you going to provide us links/source so we can all read and enlighten ourselves how cars launched a month ago are having so many problems which you have been claiming so far .
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