Tata Harrier (H5X): All-New SUV From Tata Motors


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Even i have seen so many of my friends. They will go with the foreign companies. If i am telling Tata & Mahindras are doing very good job in providing the safety and nice design cars. They simply tell...Indian cars. I don't know whats the problem with them. Even we are not accepting our good things. always behind the foreign things. Hoping the perception will change in near future.
 
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Happened to see a post in the other forum, that same forum in which one of their reviewers made a fake claim about hexa recall for engine head trouble and one of it's other reviewer made a very negative biased review on YouTube. Anyway back to the point 'panel gaps', I haven't seen panel gaps in any other pictures other than the ones posted in that specific post even the hood like protruding part over the instrument console is shown as a gap.
Other than the one mm gap on the rear lights which I think is there by design I haven't found any faults in alignment
A company which can make a 2 Lakh rupee nano without much alignment problem can surely make a 20 Lakh car with almost no fault at all. Yes you may find weld marks if you go under the car with a microscope.
A guy who is not satisfied with best in the price category infotainment system will surely find something to complain.
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I believe that forum is completely biased or is fully sponsored or company social media agents weigh much more than real auto enthusiasts there.

Most definitely agree with your views. Whenever a new Tata gets launched, people scrutinize it like no other vehicles. Most people just start nitpicking and complaining about silly things slowly creating a negative opinion against the vehicle and the brand. I dont know since when people started to hate a vehicle because its clutch is soft or they cant adjust the seat to their own liking. I have never seen anyone doing this when a new Maruti or Toyota is launched.

I wonder if they are realizing their posts are sitting ona prublic forum which can be read by everyone.
 
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Of every review the two expressions are common BIG/HUGE and WOW for all other aspects hexa scores over as engine power, refinement ,size, seats, few less gadgets BUT with value for money prospect ,ride and handling ,road presence ,so ultimately the factor that remains constant is WOW esp for DESIGN which is fresh , so the sales number of harrier over hexa would depend on persistence of WOW factor ,but again in this year only the same design ,low placed headlamps and upper DRLs is coming in all 3 sizes ,sub 4 meter-hyundai caroline ,above 4 meter kia sp ,and full blown -mg hector so the WOW factor has 3 contenders in next 6 months or so tata should enhance the production and shipment so they establish them self before the WOW factor becomes common
Well at my place even after 1 week of launch 0 harrier shipment has occurred ,the big dealership boasting 30 odd bookings have no display vehicle (forget delivery ) yet
Finally tata must remember that auto enthusiast like/hate the car but they don, t buy the car .
 
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Of every review the two expressions are common BIG/HUGE and WOW for all other aspects
hexa scores over as engine power,
But with the added weight, 16 bhp additional power is negated IMHO
refinement,
If FCA 2.0 feel coarse than 2.2 Varicor, Kudos to TML. But Transverse v Longitudinal layout, TML was helpless in this aspect. Maybe more sound dampening will do.
size, seats,
5 seater v 7 seater. No comparison possible. Harrier a spacious 5 seater, Hexa a very practical 7 seater. See the Compass v Harrier pics few posts above where Harrier trumps the same in looks. Hexa's first negative was its MPV looks as per its critics.
few less gadgets
That's what critics complained about Hexa and Harrier tries to satisfy few of those short comings. Then no AWD means less electronics.
BUT with value for money prospect,
Hexa was VFM from the beginning, after GST implementation it became super VFM, but what happening with its sales is self explanatory. People want looks which is what Harrier offers in loads. Harrier seems VFM for the most people.
ride and handling,
BOF Hexa has the best ride and handling, Monocoque Harrier has the best ride and handling compared to its monocoque peers ?
road presence,
Subjective, I like both. They have their own identity.
so ultimately the factor that remains constant is WOW esp for DESIGN which is fresh , so the sales number of harrier over hexa would depend on persistence of WOW factor,
Harrier will get more sales than Hexa is my prediction. Let's wait and watch.
but again in this year only the same design ,low placed headlamps and upper DRLs is coming in all 3 sizes ,sub 4 meter-hyundai caroline ,above 4 meter kia sp ,and full blown -mg hector
So we must accept the fact that low placed headlamp is becoming a norm now internationally ?
so the WOW factor has 3 contenders in next 6 months or so tata should enhance the production and shipment so they establish them self before the WOW factor becomes common
If Harrier was a Hyundai/ Toyota with the same specifications, comments would have been different. No point in comparing with products not yet launched. I'm sure TML will improve the product month after month based on user reviews - happened with Tiago and Nexon.
Well at my place even after 1 week of launch 0 harrier shipment has occurred ,the big dealership boasting 30 odd bookings have no display vehicle (forget delivery ) yet
Finally tata must remember that auto enthusiast like/hate the car but they don, t buy the car.
Let's TML do the logistics part without any hiccups.
My humble opinions in bold.
 
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My humble opinions in bold.
Thanks for reply
On power front mere 16 bhp cost you about 50000 so not so mere for me and on power to weight ratio creta is better but harrier is more powerful
On NVH its the observation of almost every reviewer ,kudos to tata for it ,and most reviewer found it less refined to geep compass (same engine ) ,and for hyped and above all product with pedigree it should have been done already
On size and seat auto lover will not compare but a buyer will
On gadgets many reviewers found problems with ICE and absence of apple car play is sure ,while much needed start stop button is their
On value for money its just like that hexa is more value for money than harrier
On ride and handling an average buyer considers suv as suv not monocoque or BOF
On numbers harrier will get more numbers over hexa ,sure no doubts about that but for how long my view is till the wow factor remains
On comparing with other brands firstly i compared it with tata only ,secondly hyundai tuscon and tyota yaris both were/are bummer in terms of sale as buyer is the king so may be some people might be doing that i,m not
On tiago and nexon both are supreme value for money so correction after reviews is justifiable more than harrier
On comparing with products still to be launched it is not comparison its just looks or main wow factor
On logistic part if they improve later the confidence of first time tata buyer is shaken
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People who started bashing harrier even before it's launch will continue to do so even if you give them a rebadged land rover discovery.
Saw a harrier today on road along with a creta, creta looked so punny infront of harrier. Harrier looks so vfm infront of the outdated xuv and creta.
Harrier will take a good number of sales from the little, overpriced and outdated creta for sure. Mahindra will have to speed up xuv replacement.
 
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Showed the Harrier to dad in pictures.He got impressed with the size of the Harrier and this would be one of the contender if we are buying a new car.He said that it is way bigger than Creta.

Will look at this and give proper review of it.
 
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My take on the Harrier on why it has what it takes to be winner

1. Looks, no to ways about it. Enough has been said about it.
2. Space. for about 70% of times its one or 2 occupants in the car. 7 seater makes little sense. Unless you love the MUV design (which l love) But other than that, I have use the last 2 jump seats only once for 25KM rest its only the 5 seats being used. So 5 seats are more than sufficient for majority of the usage. So 5 stater car with very good space is more than welcome than having compromised space to accommodate 7 seats.
3. Boot space is great I bet you can put a 165 ltr fridge in it. should be ableto carry international luggage for a family very easily.
4. Power is good, Torque is good. I have a Storme which weighs over 2 tons, its has 2.2 ltr varicor engine 140hp,320nm torque. And power is more than enough. Now you have same power, 30mn more torque and 600kg shaved off. imagine what kind of beast you will have. So talk of underpowered engine is all "bovine excreta". Drive the car to get the feel of it.
5. Ground clearance is great.you have LR front suspension, lotus tuned rear suspenses. So on ride and handling this car will be top notch. So driving in uneven roads will not be botheration.
6. Safety wise, top end has more than enough features, base variant has basic safety features in place. So safety is uncompromised. Build quality and I can definitely vouch for it. So that aspect is taken care. of
7. Interiors are very elegant and have all the required bells and whistles which can be used on daily basis. Great ICE, great elegant interiors, airy feel, upmarket upholstery quality materials used.
8. After sales should not be a problem, I have experienced Tata service for last 6 years and has been Good to very good. In Hyderabad and in Chennai now. plus if you have premium car, you have access to the GM of the workshop and things do get moving. So I don't see problem in that.

What there is perceived problem is No AT, which many would want mandatorily, will be 100% available in Harrier, Petrol variant will come. Will be part of the product lifecycle. IF they provide every thing in one go, what else should company provide as part of refresh? Sunroof. Which again will make way into the product later.

So all in all I feel this car has what is expected of a car of this stature.


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Now people can crib all their heart out, about panel gaps are more, (which again feel is part of design, SUV will have higher gaps to give some tolerance for the car on abuse) people may crib about bad plastics, again that is subjective. Crib about bad paint, that I have not found. Inface I feel paint quality of Tata cars from Storme , zest onwards have been one of the best in the country.
So people who crib will crib no matter what Tata do. Let them.
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My take on the Harrier on why it has what it takes to be winner

1. Looks, no to ways about it. Enough has been said about it.
2. Space. for about 70% of times its one or 2 occupants in the car. 7 seater makes little sense. Unless you love the MUV design (which l love) But other than that, I have use the last 2 jump seats only once for 25KM rest its only the 5 seats being used. So 5 seats are more than sufficient for majority of the usage. So 5 stater car with very good space is more than welcome than having compromised space to accommodate 7 seats.
3. Boot space is great I bet you can put a 165 ltr fridge in it. should be ableto carry international luggage for a family very easily.
4. Power is good, Torque is good. I have a Storme which weighs over 2 tons, its has 2.2 ltr varicor engine 140hp,320nm torque. And power is more than enough. Now you have same power, 30mn more torque and 600kg shaved off. imagine what kind of beast you will have. So talk of underpowered engine is all "bovine excreta". Drive the car to get the feel of it.
5. Ground clearance is great.you have LR front suspension, lotus tuned rear suspenses. So on ride and handling this car will be top notch. So driving in uneven roads will not be botheration.
6. Safety wise, top end has more than enough features, base variant has basic safety features in place. So safety is uncompromised. Build quality and I can definitely vouch for it. So that aspect is taken care. of
7. Interiors are very elegant and have all the required bells and whistles which can be used on daily basis. Great ICE, great elegant interiors, airy feel, upmarket upholstery quality materials used.
8. After sales should not be a problem, I have experienced Tata service for last 6 years and has been Good to very good. In Hyderabad and in Chennai now. plus if you have premium car, you have access to the GM of the workshop and things do get moving. So I don't see problem in that.

What there is perceived problem is No AT, which many would want mandatorily, will be 100% available in Harrier, Petrol variant will come. Will be part of the product lifecycle. IF they provide every thing in one go, what else should company provide as part of refresh? Sunroof. Which again will make way into the product later.

So all in all I feel this car has what is expected of a car of this stature.


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Now people can crib all their heart out, about panel gaps are more, (which again feel is part of design, SUV will have higher gaps to give some tolerance for the car on abuse) people may crib about bad plastics, again that is subjective. Crib about bad paint, that I have not found. Inface I feel paint quality of Tata cars from Storme , zest onwards have been one of the best in the country.
So people who crib will crib no matter what Tata do. Let them.
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No views on price ,as i remember you suggested 10 L rupees on road for XE on 23 dec 2018 , how much it has changed ?

People who started bashing harrier even before it's launch will continue to do so even if you give them a rebadged land rover discovery.
Saw a harrier today on road along with a creta, creta looked so punny infront of harrier. Harrier looks so vfm infront of the outdated xuv and creta.
Harrier will take a good number of sales from the little, overpriced and outdated creta for sure. Mahindra will have to speed up xuv replacement.
Bashing - An act of hitting hard
Criticism - Expression of disapproval of something on the basis of perceived faults or mistake
Comparison - Estimating the similarities or dissimilarities between two things
P.S - Chose correct words
 
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Bashing - An act of hitting hard
Criticism - Expression of disapproval of something on the basis of perceived faults or mistake
Comparison - Estimating the similarities or dissimilarities between two things
P.S - Chose correct words
Bashing - fierce criticism or opposition
I think it's the most apt word for some people who started 'bashing' even before the launch or even media reviews were out.
criticism and blind fan boyish rants are different.
I don't think this forum has marketing guys like in that other forum. Just some fan boys of hyundai and mahindra that's what I see when someone starts ranting before launch. To see this you can just go through their posts in their profile.
Anyway it's funny to see people taking pictures in weird angles and crawling under the car to find panel gaps or if they can't find one place camera in weird angles and make it look like one
P.S - Thanks for the grammar class
 
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