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Seems we, Indians are getting the same old car assembled from different components taken from Vento & Fabia, while rest will get a proper new car. Seems Skoda hasn't learnt from Toyota's mistake from Etios !! It is high time that Indians should be treated at par with Chinese when it comes to cars. Why second class treatment to Indians ?[anger]
I understand that you expect the best but then again let me explain the case in China - China offers volumes. A 5-Series BMW sells 9,000 odd units every month while the Nissan Sunny sells 20,000+ every month. In such a case, any investment made will be paid off. However, that is not the case with India where actual volumes are lower. In India it makes more sense to share as much as it is possible.

In my opinion, the Rapid is a good car. Vento's strengths in a Skoda frock. I hope you do not confuse this with Etios as that is totally high level mistake. That is taking India for granted - I dare Toyota to sell the Etios (without changing a washer from the Indian model) in China. They will lose.

The good thing is Indian consumer will be more aware in the future and that will be Toyota's biggest challenge in India.
 
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I understand that you expect the best but then again let me explain the case in China - China offers volumes. A 5-Series BMW sells 9,000 odd units every month while the Nissan Sunny sells 20,000+ every month. In such a case, any investment made will be paid off. However, that is not the case with India where actual volumes are lower. In India it makes more sense to share as much as it is possible.
I think it is the other way round. The car cos price it higher & hence don't get volumes. What Indian people want is VFM than price tag.

Eg. The New Swift got over 1 lac bookings, but not the Chevy Beat diesel, despite being cheaper than Swift.

Same is the case with XUV 500. Despite being 10.8-13.5 L vehicle, the 4 months quota is already over with Mahindra stopping bookings. Why did this didn't happen with Totyota Innova or Skoda yeti then ?

VFM, VFM & VFM. This is what matters. If Merc, BMWs price their cars like in international market, I bet they will outsell Honda Accord in sales.
 
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Beat is also VFM but there are other factors that affect its sales. We will not get into that now. Further, people have booked the Swift blindly because of its name. The new Swift is grossly overpriced by 20-30k and look at the features on VXi. I too have a swift but this new one is frankly demanding so much. This is also another case - brand power.

XUV is fully made in India so M&M are able to achieve the price. If Skoda also made the Yeti here fully, it would be priced lesser than its present ~16L price tag. The Innova is selling 4,000+ every month which is good for such a vehicle. Moreover, BMW has plans to manufacture their plans in China but not in India because it does not make financial sense. BMW will need huge profit from each vehicle (if sales are low) to get their return on investment. This will eventually make the vehicle as expensive as it is now. The case needs to be justified.

Just sit down and think. Strategies followed by companies will make sense.
 
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I am bit confused here.

I can understand the logic of Polo & Fabia being sold side by side with same powertrain. Fabia being based on older platform is little cheaper, offers better comfort hence can stand upto Polo which possesses better looks and more premium badge value. Moreover their exterior & interiors are different so it can live together like Ritz & Swift

But what about Vento & Rapid.

Rapid is more than 50% Vento in exterior look & about 80% Vento in interior look. Also being on same platform, both will have similar handling, comfort, space etc. Now we can not expect Rapid to be much cheaper than Vento as it will share same powertrain , chassis & around 50% body panels (unless its feature list is curtailed, but Vento also does not have a long feature list anyway).

Although VW has not earned a good name about its dealership experience After Sale & Service, but Skoda is even worse. So when two products are similar it would be safe to flock to VW rather than to Skoda. Additionally, VW is expanding its dealer base but Skoda has not been able to spread much despite being a much older company. So how will Skoda make Rapid a more tempting product as compared to Vento?

Eagerly waiting to see the complete feature list of Rapid & its price.
 
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Why not think of it in this way - Mildly altered car selling under two different brands will have twice the reach as a single car right? So increased sales.
 
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Beat is also VFM but there are other factors that affect its sales. We will not get into that now. Further, people have booked the Swift blindly because of its name. The new Swift is grossly overpriced by 20-30k and look at the features on VXi. I too have a swift but this new one is frankly demanding so much. This is also another case - brand power.

XUV is fully made in India so M&M are able to achieve the price. If Skoda also made the Yeti here fully, it would be priced lesser than its present ~16L price tag. The Innova is selling 4,000+ every month which is good for such a vehicle. Moreover, BMW has plans to manufacture their plans in China but not in India because it does not make financial sense. BMW will need huge profit from each vehicle (if sales are low) to get their return on investment. This will eventually make the vehicle as expensive as it is now. The case needs to be justified.

Just sit down and think. Strategies followed by companies will make sense.
Swift is not selling because of brand power. Had this been the case, even A Star, Estillo & Kizashi would have got good response. Fact is they indeed made a good car in that segment.

You are right about XUV pricing due to indigenousness but why not the same is done by Skoda for Yeti then ?? It is just that the foreign car companies want to have more profit with minimum risk. If they really wanted to have volumes, why doesn't Merc bring in A Class, BMW 1 Series & Audi A1 ?[confused] They can manufacture it locally & these cars will do well even they being premium hatch are launched at around 9-10L, & this price is possible. However, Merc, BMW & Audi have collectively decided not to bring in these cars & keep maintaining the 'High Profile' brand value of these companies alive here.

And not to forget the hopeless Govt policies of pushing small cars harder, thanks to the lobby of Maruti. See the stupid decisions like having car of less than 4m length & engine less than 1.4l for diesel & 1.2l for petrol getting incentives & excise benefits. It is due to these policies of Govt that India has become hub of small car manufacturing. India not only manufactures but even exports small cars to several countries.

If uniform policies are applied irrespective of size & engine (SUVs can be kept out though), we can see drastic change about the pricing the car cos offer.

I am bit confused here.

Although VW has not earned a good name about its dealership experience After Sale & Service, but Skoda is even worse. So when two products are similar it would be safe to flock to VW rather than to Skoda. Additionally, VW is expanding its dealer base but Skoda has not been able to spread much despite being a much older company. So how will Skoda make Rapid a more tempting product as compared to Vento?

Eagerly waiting to see the complete feature list of Rapid & its price.
+1. Agree here. Better stick to VW than Skoda. And in Pune, the good part is apart from Vidyut Motors, BU Bhandari now have dealership for VW, which is good. They were good with Tata earlier, but now have left Tata & joined VW.
Vidyut wasn't good enough but Bhandari is far better than Vidyut.

Why not think of it in this way - Mildly altered car selling under two different brands will have twice the reach as a single car right? So increased sales.
Yep, good for car manufacturer, but bad for car buyer though.
Btw, I knew few people who need to buy a diesel sedan on urgent basis but none is interested in Skoda Rapid. They are rather waiting for CAAAR in diesel & once this is launched, it will be either Manza Quadrajet or CAAAR diesel.

Its really surprising to see why CAAAR diesel wasn't launched before Diwali. It would have certainly good much better response than petrol variant.
 
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Its really surprising to see why CAAAR diesel wasn't launched before Diwali. It would have certainly good much better response than petrol variant.
A small Question, may be noobish, but what is CAAAR?
 
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Exclusive: Skoda India has now officially announced that Rapid is launching on 16th November 2011 in New Delhi.

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Exclusive: Skoda India has now officially announced that Rapid is launching on 16th November 2011 in New Delhi.

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Thats a great news.. any news on the pricing? There are 2 of my frnds who are after this car for almost 2 months. So they are going to be happy if i tell this news[clap]

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Thats a great news.. any news on the pricing? There are 2 of my frnds who are after this car for almost 2 months. So they are going to be happy if i tell this news[clap]

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Might be about 1L cheaper than Vento. However, if this is indeed done, it is better to stick to Vento only.
 
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any news on the pricing?
No info, but it has been confirmed that Diesel with Automatic Transmission won’t be introduced initially. There was also a teaser video floating around the web of Rapid but seems that it has been now removed from the original source.

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