Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.19)

[dharmesh]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

See the argument was is duster a capable suv or not . The videos clearly prove it is do you agree ?

People can buy duster for any reason they feel right it's their subjective choice and opinion , it dosent make any sense saying people are buying it for ego purposes only .what if some one has a farm or construction site ? And dosent want to go for Scorpio and safari , but wants a car which can do everything the other 2 can do with giving more fuel economy ? Duster is not a ego ride buy for them it is a practical choice for them .And buying a sedan for such purpose is actually a foolish move .

What for some 1 who has very bad roads to travel everyday and their wives or kids feel driving safari and Scorpio hard ? Duster is a choice for them .

Raja my friend, I am least bothered if what Duster is known as and what segment does it falls. It may be SUV or may not be. But the thing is I like it.

That's Why I replied to S-Class saying I kind of agree to him, because this is for people who cannot buy high end SUVs, but have desire to buy one.

 

[nairrak]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Tata and mahindra surely owe us better cars and they have given us better cars as per their capacity compare the vista / manza , verito with toyota etios / liva which according to you is better car for the money spend ? take all parameters in mind like comfort , gizmos , space , engines .

And what about xuv ? Is it not a better car ? W6 xuv with loaded stuff is just some thousand away from top end duster .

Yes, TATA & M&M have definitely got better but still I think that Etios/Liva are infact better cars if we compare the ride comfort and handling. I agree that the interiors and plastics of Etios/Liva are a big letdown, but the ride quality is unmatched when compared to vista/manza and verito (strictly my opinion)

Coming back to Duster, I agree that the top end with alien AC vent is not VFM. But you cannot get an M&M for the cost of 110 RXL which can give you the same ride comfort, handling and features. Hence my point, why a 100% Indian M&M and TATA cannot provide a car/suv in this segment at this price point when Renault can do it with about 65% localization.

 

[freakdude]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

In the first video the section from 1:52 till the end is more than enough to see what the Duster is capable of. I literally couldn't believe my eyes. Great machine.

freakdude.

 

[Raja]

Yes, TATA & M&M have definitely got better but still I think that Etios/Liva are infact better cars if we compare the ride comfort and handling. I agree that the interiors and plastics of Etios/Liva are a big letdown, but the ride quality is unmatched when compared to vista/manza and verito (strictly my opinion)

Coming back to Duster, I agree that the top end with alien AC vent is not VFM. But you cannot get an M&M for the cost of 110 RXL which can give you the same ride comfort, handling and features. Hence my point, why a 100% Indian M&M and TATA cannot provide a car/suv in this segment at this price point when Renault can do it with about 65% localization.

Sir the mini suv segment has just started to bloom . There are only 3 players 1 ) Renault 2) mahindra will launch quanto now 3) ford they have yet to introduce their ecosport . Who knows tata has already planned one on a vista platform .So wait its too early to say why Indian companies are not giving it .

Ride comfort , handling of a car is just one part of the whole equation , those points though important , themselves don't make the entire experience of car .

Etios and liva are capable cars ( high in price though) with dated interiors , and extremely absurd cost cutting measures implemented which give a cheap kind of feeling . Manza and verito equally give best space , interiors , gizmos , decent ride quality in the same price bracket .

A 2 lakh car from tata the nano is a class leading example in its segment of giving the best ac , best space , reasonable interiors , good ride quality and fuel economy in the segment .

We will surely see Indian offerings in mini suv segments soon and ofcourse they will be par to the competetion .

In the first video the section from 1:52 till the end is more than enough to see what the Duster is capable of. I literally couldn't believe my eyes. Great machine.

freakdude.

Unfortunately people are still debating whether the duster must be called a suv or not . and the capabilities are compared with wagon r and other hatchbacks .

 

[nairrak]

See the argument was is duster a capable suv or not . The videos clearly prove it is do you agree ?

People can buy duster for any reason they feel right it's their subjective choice and opinion , it dosent make any sense saying people are buying it for ego purposes only .what if some one has a farm or construction site ? And dosent want to go for Scorpio and safari , but wants a car which can do everything the other 2 can do with giving more fuel economy ? Duster is not a ego ride buy for them it is a practical choice for them .And buying a sedan for such purpose is actually a foolish move .

What for some 1 who has very bad roads to travel everyday and their wives or kids feel driving safari and Scorpio hard ? Duster is a choice for them .

+1 totally agree. Its up to the people buying the car/suv however we want to call it, it could be because of ego, or may be the want of a better ride in a pothole filled road, or someone who just hate a sedan or someone who has a farm or someone who just likes its looks. However thinking that all people buying duster are people with low esteem and inferiority complex is foolishness.

We will surely see Indian offerings in mini suv segments soon and ofcourse they will be par to the competetion .

I sure hope so and we definitely want to see some competition.

 

[P3T3R]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Ugly ? Yes, sideways. I have bought one recently but got it as replacement for hatch. And it is not sedan, see all my post or even MSIL brochure, it says its a notchback.

We're not debating whether the Dzire is a sedan or notchback. I was talking about the ugliness and yet people buying it. You said that people who have booked the Duster are fools or semi-fools. So why the the people buying the Duster called fools

Problem is people call duster a SUV, when in reality it is not.

What exactly is your definition of a SUV? It stands for Sports Utility Vehicle. No mention of size anywhere.

If duster & ecosport are SUVs, then even Tavera, Rhino are super SUVs.

FYI the Tavera & Rhino are MUV's.

And fit & finsih of dzire is bad ?? Then Etios should be sold on weight.

Compared to any European car it is indeed bad.

Who says that what sells in mass makes buyers intelligent ??

I didn't. I call it herd mentality when they buy a bad product. If the product is good, they are smart.

People still buy etios, which is crap.

Yes it is. But what has got to do with this debate. It's main customers are Taxis.

For me, I stand by what I say, if people are buying based on their requirement of 5 seats with high GC, its fine, if not then something is wrong with their thinking.

It's doesn't change the fact that the Duster is a good product. Something you are un-willing to accept.

I don't go off-roading for fun, it is just when I need to go to site or in farms that I require some truck. I have sat in scorp (didn't drive as steering wheel gets stuck in knees), safari & ertiga. Ertiga off-road is is like item girl getting an oscar. Scorp almost broke my back, one of the most hopeless UV in terms of ride quality. Safari was good but didn't went off road technically, as kuccha road was there.

So why say that the Duster is not a SUV?

See the argument was is duster a capable suv or not . The videos clearly prove it is do you agree ?

My +1

People can buy duster for any reason they feel right it's their subjective choice and opinion , it dosent make any sense saying people are buying it for ego purposes only .what if some one has a farm or construction site ? And dosent want to go for Scorpio and safari , but wants a car which can do everything the other 2 can do with giving more fuel economy ? Duster is not a ego ride buy for them it is a practical choice for them .And buying a sedan for such purpose is actually a foolish move .
What for some 1 who has very bad roads to travel everyday and their wives or kids feel driving safari and Scorpio hard ? Duster is a choice for them .

It is one of the most practical vehicles in it's segment.

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

See the argument was is duster a capable suv or not . The videos clearly prove it is do you agree ?

Still not seen video. Will check & revert.

People can buy duster for any reason they feel right it's their subjective choice and opinion , it dosent make any sense saying people are buying it for ego purposes only .what if some one has a farm or construction site ?

Some things I would like to clarify here -

For farms, you require a 4x4. Max bookings have taken place for 85 ps model duster which means these buyers won't go in farms,

If you are talking about construction site, then there is so much money in infra, power & realty space that even the driver of owner of such company will be owning scorp. This apart, for construction purpose, if material too is going to be stuffed, Duster doesn't give that rugged feel like scorp or safari where you can dump cement bags, welding machine etc. & still feel nothing. I would rather buy bolero or sumo gold for construction site purpose.

And dosent want to go for Scorpio and safari , but wants a car which can do everything the other 2 can do with giving more fuel economy ?

+1. This is what dharmesh said. Poor man's UV, where FE is important than ruggedness. I don't think anyone will buy duster if he has the budget of scorp or safari. Had that been the case, 110 ps duster should have sold more nos than 85 ps one.

Duster is not a ego ride buy for them it is a practical choice for them .And buying a sedan for such purpose is actually a foolish move .

I am sure, 90% of dusters will be used on tar/cement road, 10% on kuccha road & 0% off-road. And for 90% dusters, any hatch or sedan can do the trick.

What for some 1 who has very bad roads to travel everyday and their wives or kids feel driving safari and Scorpio hard ? Duster is a choice for them .

+1. Agreed completely.
But where is Renault ?? Only in urban areas, hardly any showrooms & a.s.s in tier2/3 cities, let alone town & villages. This again puts the question -

Which are the roads in urban cities of India which can't be driven on by hatch or sedan ?? Agree potholes will be there, but even rickshaws manage it.

If duster was of M & M or Tata, I can understand about bad roads & all as many sales would have happened in rural parts but cities are surely drivable, even if they aren't like Germany's autobahn.

That's Why I replied to S-Class saying I kind of agree to him, because this is for people who cannot buy high end SUVs, but have desire to buy one.

Thanks & +1.

Coming back to Duster, I agree that the top end with alien AC vent is not VFM. But you cannot get an M&M for the cost of 110 RXL which can give you the same ride comfort, handling and features. Hence my point, why a 100% Indian M&M and TATA cannot provide a car/suv in this segment at this price point when Renault can do it with about 65% localization.

Add few thousand bucks more & buy XUV W6. It is far superior than duster 110 ps top end model.

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

@ sclass - I just don't understand one thing how can you or me assume for what purpose people are buying duster for ? 15,000 people must have bought it for whatever reason they feel is right and can use it however the want .

You personally don't like the concept of compact suv it's fine it's cool but that dosent mean the concept dosent exist .

Dezire being a notchback or sedan who cares ? My dad feels the dezire looks like a Doberman dog with a duct tail it's his subjective opinion , he says dezire has no category . Nor does he tries to prove his point to anybody about it . ,Does this change the sales of dezire ?

If you have problem in calling a duster suv it's ok you are free to have your subjective opinion but please my freind allow others to have their opinion too if they find and call duster a suv . why we need to take this so personal about what people are calling it ?

 

[Superbad]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

@ raja

you know that some users have preconceived notions of some products.
they will go to all lengths to prove their point.

so it is better to take their opinion with a FIST of Tata salt and leave it at that.

this purely to avoid the discussion going off topic.

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

What exactly is your definition of a SUV? It stands for Sports Utility Vehicle. No mention of size anywhere.

Dictionary meaning -

A high-performance four-wheel drive car built on a truck chassis.

Does 85 ps duster qualify for this ??

FYI the Tavera & Rhino are MUV's.

And Duster is SUV ??? It is like saying Esha Deol is bigger actress than Katrina.

Compared to any European car it is indeed bad.

Ah, now you are bringing EU Vs India Vs US ??
Tell me 1 European car/notchback which falls in Dzire price with similar specs & FE ?

I didn't. I call it herd mentality when they buy a bad product. If the product is good, they are smart.

Exactly. Now you have come to the point. As said before, i20 is better than swift but sells less than swift. Similarly, duster selling in more nos doesn't mean it is good product & when it sells at the time of launch itself without any first hand review, it indicates herd mentality only.

Yes it is. But what has got to do with this debate. It's main customers are Taxis.

Lets not get into taxi vs private debate & large of buyers of Etios are private too. Duster will hardly become taxi because of 5 seat capacity.

It's doesn't change the fact that the Duster is a good product. Something you are un-willing to accept.

I never accept anything as good or bad until & unless I get the report from people who have used the product for atleast 8-10 months.

If without finding credentials of girl you get married, during honeymoon period, all things look like stars & moon, but 1 year down the line you know that you are not on moon but in thar desert.

So why say that the Duster is not a SUV?

I never said scorp or safari to be SUVs either.

To cut long story short, I feel duster (if proved good in long run) will be poor man's diesel Honda CRV. What say ??

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

@ sclass - I just don't understand one thing how can you or me assume for what purpose people are buying duster for ? 15,000 people must have bought it for whatever reason they feel is right and can use it however the want .

You personally don't like the concept of compact suv it's fine it's cool but that dosent mean the concept dosent exist .

Dezire being a notchback or sedan who cares ? My dad feels the dezire looks like a Doberman dog with a duct tail it's his subjective opinion , he says dezire has no category . Nor does he tries to prove his point to anybody about it . ,Does this change the sales of dezire ?

If you have problem in calling a duster suv it's ok you are free to have your subjective opinion but please my freind allow others to have their opinion too if they find and call duster a suv . why we need to take this so personal about what people are calling it ?

Cool man.
15k people have bought, no issues with that.
I don't like mini-uvs or any UVs rather, no issues with that.
Whatever Dzire is, no issues with that too.

Issue comes up when people start calling duster as SUV (not expected from auto enthus here)...how would one feel if I call nano a limousine ?

And comparing duster with LC Prado or Range Rover is .

Hope this clears some air.

@ superbad,

What off-topic is seen here ? Everything is targeted at duster right ??
And if people opinion's don't contradict, whats the use of forum ?? One can go to showroom & hear all good things about xyz car.

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Cool man.
15k people have bought, no issues with that.
I don't like mini-uvs or any UVs rather, no issues with that.
Whatever Dzire is, no issues with that too.

Issue comes up when people start calling duster as SUV (not expected from auto enthus here)...how would one feel if I call nano a limousine ?

And comparing duster with LC Prado or Range Rover is .

Hope this clears some air.

@ superbad,

What off-topic is seen here ? Everything is targeted at duster right ??
And if people opinion's don't contradict, whats the use of forum ?? One can go to showroom & hear all good things about xyz car.

Please check the videos when you get time which I have posted duster is doing everything what a suv does .
Taking all kind of abuse also thrown at it .
Give me some time I will post videos of duster 4x2 doing all sort of things which a 4x2 suv does .
Just understand its just smaller in size that's all and being lesser in weight the engine size Of 85ps and 110 ps does the job for it .
On a forum we can surely discuss everything but topic becomes interesting when we talk about the capabilities of the vehicle in question .
Why to debate on what people call it ? Some people call nano as beast and safari king and Scorpio tank so ? It's ok let them call whatever they feel about it .

Calling duster a suv or not is not a public awareness issue that we should debate upon , nor I think we must spend time proving whether it must be called a suv or not .

Edit - here are some videos of duster 85ps 4x2

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfA7uV-GbZM

And 1 more
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b0he4-bTNxw

And this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PS5P-p4ECWU

And this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FJqAiUjyN7M

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FJqAiUjyN7M

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Please check the videos when you get time which I have posted duster is doing everything what a suv does .

Sure buddy.

Give me some time I will post videos of duster 4x2 doing all sort of things which a 4x2 suv does .

Can 4x2 be called SUV ? Here is where we get stuck. Anyways...

On a forum we can surely discuss everything but topic becomes interesting when we talk about the capabilities of the vehicle in question .

Agreed. But then what is remaining :-

85/110 ps,
Diesel with good FE & high GC,
5 seater,
Lot of bookings.

Thread closed.

Kit-kat break banta hain.

Why to debate on what people call it ? Some people call nano as beast and safari king and Scorpio tank so ? It's ok let them call whatever they feel about it .

Well, we are not talking about pet names but technical names, thats the difference buddy.

Calling duster a suv or not is not a public awareness issue that we should debate upon , nor I think we must spend time proving whether it must be called a suv or not .

[thinking]

 

[Superbad]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Dictionary meaning -

A high-performance four-wheel drive car built on a truck chassis.

which dictionary is that?

wikipedia has a better answer

A sport utility vehicle (SUV) is a vehicle similar to a station wagon or estate car, usually equipped with four-wheel drive for on- or off-road ability. Some SUVs include the towing capacity of a pickup truck with the passenger-carrying space of a minivan or large sedan.

The term is not used in all countries, and outside North America the terms "off-road vehicle", "four-wheel drive" or "four-by-four" (abbreviated to "4WD" or "4x4") or simply use of the brand name to describe the vehicle like "Jeep" or "Land Rover" are more common. Not all SUVs have four-wheel drive capabilities, and not all four-wheel-drive passenger vehicles are SUVs. Although some SUVs have off-road capabilities, they often play only a secondary role, and SUVs often do not have the ability to switch among two-wheel and four-wheel-drive high gearing and four-wheel-drive low gearing. While auto makers tout an SUV's off-road prowess with advertising and naming, the daily use of SUVs is largely on paved roads.

Sport utility vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dharmesh]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

This is what I found, while searching for definition of SUV:

A sport utility vehicle, or SUV, is a generic specification for a passenger vehicle which combines the towing capacity of a pickup truck with the passenger-carrying space of a minivan or station wagon together with on or off road ability. SUVs are considered light trucks and often share the same platforms of pickups.

It is known in some countries as an "off-road vehicle" or "four-wheel drive", often abbreviated to "4WD" or "4x4", pronounced "four-by-four". However, not all SUVs have four-wheel drive capabilities. Conversely, not all 4WD passenger vehicles are SUVs. Off-road vehicles are a very different class of vehicles, being vehicles primarily built for off-road use. Although some SUVs have off-road capabilities, this is often a secondary role and they often do not have the ability to switch between 2WD, 4WD high gearing and 4WD low gearing. While automakers frequently tout a particular SUV's off-road prowess with advertising and naming, the daily use of SUVs is largely paved roads and urban areas.

Initially extremely popular in the late 1990s and early 2000s, the SUV's popularity has since declined, due to criticism regarding excessive gasoline consumption, pollution, cost, and poor safety. Due to high oil prices and a declining economy since the mid-2000s, manufacturers have responded to buyers' complaints. The traditional truck-based SUV is gradually being supplanted by a new vehicle type, the crossover SUV, which uses an car platform for lighter weight and better fuel efficiency, but is no longer designed or recommended by the manufacturer for off-road usage or towing.

Source

Another explanation: What Is an SUV?

So although, we here may or may not agree, whether Duster is SUV or not. Both sources say that the, depending on the consumers demand and usage, SUV's designed have evolved and also the meaning of SUV have evolved as time have passed. So today I have no problem in saying that Duster is an SUV.


@Raja: Nice share mate again, after watching those videos, I have just sold out to Duster.