Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.19)

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

No I am not only talking about them, The question is about Indian companies as well. When Renault is able to develop the cars at lower cost, then I think the TATAs and M&Ms might also be manufacturing the cars at much lower cost than the cost they are selling us to. Hmmmmmmm. I just feel like .

Sir tata and m& m are much smaller players compared to Renault secondly duster uses a Logan chasis which is been used for many many years .
Where did you find tata and m&m selling expensive cars ? You are forgetting the investment, r $ d cost , tests ,everything is counted in the final price .
Renault duster is sold in India , south America and Europe compared to tata and m&m .
Rather tata and m&m are only 2 companies which give you bang for your buck .

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

No I am not only talking about them, The question is about Indian companies as well. When Renault is able to develop the cars at lower cost, then I think the TATAs and M&Ms might also be manufacturing the cars at much lower cost than the cost they are selling us to. Hmmmmmmm. I just feel like .

If you see, the prices of tata & M & M in international markets are not cheap when compared to India. Don't know about Renault but it would be better if we can find out whether the duster sold in UK is not inferior than that sold in india.

Eg. Having power window switch behind gear rather than on doors etc. There are many other things which go into making than just 4x4.

And fellow member gave prices of UK. Are those on-road or ex-shwrm ?? Asking this as taxes, insurance etc. do add up lot of money.

@dharmesh,

Can you please tell us how many years old those Jaguars were which were sold for Rs.8.5L ??

 

[nairrak]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

I read in one of the post that Duster is sold at a much cheaper price in UK (£8995) for a 4x4. I don't think that information is accurate. The UK price for all models are as given below (you can google this and confirm)..the 4x4 does come at a higher price
Duster Access 4x2 petrol - £8,995
Duster Access 4x4 petrol - £10,995
Duster Ambience 4x2 diesel - £11,495
Duster Ambience 4x4 diesel - £13,495
Duster Laureate 4x2 diesel - £12,995
Duster Laureate 4x4 diesel - £14,995

Regarding TATA and M&M being small players.I am not sure if we can say that.TATA owns Jaguar, Landrover.so TATA is definitely not small.M&M is now an international brand.and they also own about 70% of ssangyong motor corporation.hence they are no small players.If renault can build a Decent car at this price with about 60% localization and 40% imports (40% imports is one reason why the duster is priced slightly on the higher side).then M&M and TATA definitely owe us better cars.the investment.r&d.tests.its all same for all companies.

 

[S Class]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

What a 4x4 duster can do ? Check this show me a sedan or a hatchback in the < 13 lakhs segment which can do this .Btw the Humble duster here is compared with a landrover

Upto 5.30, any hatch can do that, including Wagon-R.
For rest, you need nothing more than high GC. I didn't find a single instance where 4x4 was really tested. Infact, base model of Sumo or Bolero can do even better than this.

Real fun of off-roading takes place when 1-2 wheels are in air & then we need to see how the vehicle performs. This duster tyers were skidding at the same place & only when the angle was changed, it worked, but when no open space is around, in that case, it is not possible.

And yes, please don't compare vintage landrover with duster. Even a Verna will look better than Audi of 1980s !!

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Upto 5.30, any hatch can do that, including Wagon-R.
For rest, you need nothing more than high GC. I didn't find a single instance where 4x4 was really tested. Infact, base model of Sumo or Bolero can do even better than this.

Real fun of off-roading takes place when 1-2 wheels are in air & then we need to see how the vehicle performs. This duster tyers were skidding at the same place & only when the angle was changed, it worked, but when no open space is around, in that case, it is not possible.

And yes, please don't compare vintage landrover with duster. Even a Verna will look better than Audi of 1980s !!

I will post some more videos for you :)

Sclass what people like is a subjective opinion and everyone has right to excercise it dear. If you find duster hopeless great but some can find it stunning it doesn't mean they are semi-fools. people have their choices and that's what makes us all unique.

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Upto 5.30, any hatch can do that, including Wagon-R.
For rest, you need nothing more than high GC. I didn't find a single instance where 4x4 was really tested. Infact, base model of Sumo or Bolero can do even better than this.

Real fun of off-roading takes place when 1-2 wheels are in air & then we need to see how the vehicle performs. This duster tyers were skidding at the same place & only when the angle was changed, it worked, but when no open space is around, in that case, it is not possible.

And yes, please don't compare vintage landrover with duster. Even a Verna will look better than Audi of 1980s !!

Can wagon r , i10 , brio , beat , ritz ( all upto 5.5 lakhs ) sumo , bolero do this ? And have driving comfort and ease like duster ? Please compare the duster in its segment don't compare it with range rover and land cruiser it's not wise.

YouTube - Dacia Duster im OFF ROAD Härtetest

And this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NpzAgM19WmU

And this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PvLQNdB3-Kw

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

I read in one of the post that Duster is sold at a much cheaper price in UK (£8995) for a 4x4. I don't think that information is accurate. The UK price for all models are as given below (you can google this and confirm)..the 4x4 does come at a higher price
Duster Access 4x2 petrol - £8,995
Duster Access 4x4 petrol - £10,995
Duster Ambience 4x2 diesel - £11,495
Duster Ambience 4x4 diesel - £13,495
Duster Laureate 4x2 diesel - £12,995
Duster Laureate 4x4 diesel - £14,995

Regarding TATA and M&M being small players.I am not sure if we can say that.TATA owns Jaguar, Landrover.so TATA is definitely not small.M&M is now an international brand.and they also own about 70% of ssangyong motor corporation.hence they are no small players.If renault can build a Decent car at this price with about 60% localization and 40% imports (40% imports is one reason why the duster is priced slightly on the higher side).then M&M and TATA definitely owe us better cars.the investment.r&d.tests.its all same for all companies.

What you are saying is correct tata owns JLR but tata as a brand for cars and m& m as a brand for cars don't have the reach which Renault has worldwide .
Understand this that Renault is from many years established in south America , Australia , Europe .

Just because tata owns JLR they can't sell manza and vista and safari in JLR showrooms worldwide . JLR is a totaly different brand and tata cars made under the tata brand in india is altoghter a different brand which has reach only in handfuls of countries .

Duster comes in a new segment of compact SUVs which is still not evolved only competetion will be quanto , ecosport . Even maruti dosent have their cars in that segment .

Tata and mahindra surely owe us better cars and they have given us better cars as per their capacity compare the vista / manza , verito with toyota etios / liva which according to you is better car for the money spend ? take all parameters in mind like comfort , gizmos , space , engines .

And what about xuv ? Is it not a better car ? W6 xuv with loaded stuff is just some thousand away from top end duster .

 

[dharmesh]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

I read in one of the post that Duster is sold at a much cheaper price in UK (£8995) for a 4x4. I don't think that information is accurate. The UK price for all models are as given below (you can google this and confirm)..the 4x4 does come at a higher price
Duster Access 4x2 petrol - £8,995
Duster Access 4x4 petrol - £10,995
Duster Ambience 4x2 diesel - £11,495
Duster Ambience 4x4 diesel - £13,495
Duster Laureate 4x2 diesel - £12,995
Duster Laureate 4x4 diesel - £14,995

Regarding TATA and M&M being small players.I am not sure if we can say that.TATA owns Jaguar, Landrover.so TATA is definitely not small.M&M is now an international brand.and they also own about 70% of ssangyong motor corporation.hence they are no small players.If renault can build a Decent car at this price with about 60% localization and 40% imports (40% imports is one reason why the duster is priced slightly on the higher side).then M&M and TATA definitely owe us better cars.the investment.r&d.tests.its all same for all companies.

If these are the rates of the car then I think it is similar to Duster in India. But in video guy was using 4X4 and showed that it costed just pounds 8995 and thats where the discussion started.

@dharmesh,

Can you please tell us how many years old those Jaguars were which were sold for Rs.8.5L ??

Sorry , at that time I was not car enthu, so did not investigate much. But the cars were looking as good as new one.

 

[P3T3R]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Sclass what people like is a subjective opinion and everyone has right to excercise it dear. If you find duster hopeless great but some can find it stunning it doesn't mean they are semi-fools. people have their choices and that's what makes us all unique.

My +1 to that.

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What about the thousands of people who bought the Dzire. It's one of the ugliest cars with a poor build quality. Yet people bought it. You did not deem it fit to call these people fools. So if you don't like the Duster, don't buy it. And all the talk of offroading you are giving, do you actually do it? Or have you tried it in a Scorpio, Safari or Ertiga?

 

[dharmesh]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Can wagon r , i10 , brio , beat , ritz ( all upto 5.5 lakhs ) sumo , bolero do this ? And have driving comfort and ease like duster ? Please compare the duster in its segment don't compare it with range rover and land cruiser it's not wise.


And this


And this

Again nice share Raja, after watching those videos, the question I have is how often do we go for off roading in India? Even the people owning 4X4 fortuner wont go off roading in their costly car.

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Again nice share Raja, after watching those videos, the question I have is how often do we go for off roading in India? Even the people owning 4X4 fortuner wont go off roading in their costly car.

True .
not only in India all over the world thre are only few people who do offroading .
The duster was build for people in eastern Europe were there are challenging roads , normal driving there is as good as doing offroading . The concept was to build a basic no nonsense 4x4 car for common man .
Duster is actually a bolero in eastern Europe

 

[350Z]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Renault has confirmed that their manufacturing facility will function 24 Hours in three shifts to meet the overwhelming demand for Duster.

Drive Safe,
350Z

 

[S Class]

Can wagon r , i10 , brio , beat , ritz ( all upto 5.5 lakhs ) sumo , bolero do this ? And have driving comfort and ease like duster ? Please compare the duster in its segment don't compare it with range rover and land cruiser it's not wise.

Will watch vids at home & comment. And I am comparing duster with prado coz the first vid link showed comparo with vintage rover & duster.

And what about xuv ? Is it not a better car ? W6 xuv with loaded stuff is just some thousand away from top end duster .

+1. No wonder then lot of cancellations have taken place in 110 ps model of duster.

Sorry , at that time I was not car enthu, so did not investigate much. But the cars were looking as good as new one.

No probs buddy.

What about the thousands of people who bought the Dzire. It's one of the ugliest cars with a poor build quality.

Ugly ? Yes, sideways. I have bought one recently but got it as replacement for hatch. And it is not sedan, see all my post or even MSIL brochure, it says its a notchback. Problem is people call duster a SUV, when in reality it is not.
If duster & ecosport are SUVs, then even Tavera, Rhino are super SUVs.

And fit & finsih of dzire is bad ?? Then Etios should be sold on weight.

Yet people bought it. You did not deem it fit to call these people fools.

Who says that what sells in mass makes buyers intelligent ?? People still buy etios, which is crap. For me, I stand by what I say, if people are buying based on their requirement of 5 seats with high GC, its fine, if not then something is wrong with their thinking.

So if you don't like the Duster, don't buy it. And all the talk of offroading you are giving, do you actually do it? Or have you tried it in a Scorpio, Safari or Ertiga?

I don't go off-roading for fun, it is just when I need to go to site or in farms that I require some truck. I have sat in scorp (didn't drive as steering wheel gets stuck in knees), safari & ertiga. Ertiga off-road is is like item girl getting an oscar. Scorp almost broke my back, one of the most hopeless UV in terms of ride quality. Safari was good but didn't went off road technically, as kuccha road was there.

Again nice share Raja, after watching those videos, the question I have is how often do we go for off roading in India? Even the people owning 4X4 fortuner wont go off roading in their costly car.

True .
not only in India all over the world thre are only few people who do offroading .

dharmesh & raja,
+1 to you again.

Now this boils to same old question which me & vipul used to ask -

Why does on require a 5 seater UV when off-road is not going to be done ??

This indicates just one thing -

The buyers who buy such vehicles suffer from inferiority complex or low self esteem & hence buy something like this to boost their ego.
What say ??

 

[dharmesh]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

dharmesh & raja,
+1 to you again.

Now this boils to same old question which me & vipul used to ask -

Why does on require a 5 seater UV when off-road is not going to be done ??

This indicates just one thing -

The buyers who buy such vehicles suffer from inferiority complex or low self esteem & hence buy something like this to boost their ego.
What say ??

Hmm. I kind of agree to you. As many have previously also mentioned, that this car is for the people who have dreamed of owning the SUV, but din't have budget for the same. So what if it is not SUV, it makes me feel like one. that's what people will think after buying. And I dont feel there is anything wrong in it.

The feeling is similar to feeling that a guy haves when he is wearing a normal Jeans. He will think so what if this is not original Levi's Denim jeans, but this one still makes me feel like one.

 

[Raja]

Re: Renault Duster Now Launched at Rs.7.19 Lakh (Coverage – Pg.20)

Hmm. I kind of agree to you. As many have previously also mentioned, that this car is for the people who have dreamed of owning the SUV, but din't have budget for the same. So what if it is not SUV, it makes me feel like one. that's what people will think after buying. And I dont feel there is anything wrong in it.

The feeling is similar to feeling that a guy haves when he is wearing a normal Jeans. He will think so what if this is not original Levi's Denim jeans, but this one still makes me feel like one.

See the argument was is duster a capable suv or not . The videos clearly prove it is do you agree ?

People can buy duster for any reason they feel right it's their subjective choice and opinion , it dosent make any sense saying people are buying it for ego purposes only .what if some one has a farm or construction site ? And dosent want to go for Scorpio and safari , but wants a car which can do everything the other 2 can do with giving more fuel economy ? Duster is not a ego ride buy for them it is a practical choice for them .And buying a sedan for such purpose is actually a foolish move .

What for some 1 who has very bad roads to travel everyday and their wives or kids feel driving safari and Scorpio hard ? Duster is a choice for them .