Maruti Suzuki Swift: Technical Issues & Solutions

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

@ Mr.Sid Devil

Sir, they are available in Mumbai . The accessories shop dealer had ordered from Mumbai , its a Taiwan based make.

@ Ameyam

Its waterproof,only flaw i felt was a tiny gap is there between Fog lamp and the casing,its very small,rain water won't seep in that i am sure off.

The DRL had a card layout saying that ,slight water may condense in (Like that in Fog lamps), though it will go off after the climate changes.

The kit comprised of Fogcasing-DRL set , wiring kit having insulated sleeve wires and 3A fuse

I had used a switch near to our Parking sensor switch and fog lamp switch inside the console to turn it on, and did the wiring.

 

[ameyam]

Guys, did you have any issues with loose bolts? My car is from October 14. During the last week I was walking past my car to get something when I noticed that the gap between the bumper and the headlight housing didnt seem consistent. So I pushed in the bumper just there to see if something had come unbuckled and I found it soft. I opened the bonet and found that only one of the 4 top bolts holding the front bumper was tight, the rest I could turn with my fingers. Further, I found the bolts holding the bumper had no threadlock or spring washers! What the hell? Its a rule with metal-into-metal fasthers that you use threadlock or spring washers so that the bolts dont come undone with vibration. I can understand that spring washers are not used to prevent them eating into the bumper fibreglass on tightening but there has to be some locking mechanism. Does Maruti not follow that rule?

Now, my bumper wasnt actually hanging or anything, I just found it softer than expected and the gap I saw was my perception. Still, I have put in the screws with blue threadlock for now and tightened the bolts. Blue threadlock can be opened later with some effort and it ensure that the bolts dont come loose on their own. I checked the other bolts and screws I could reach and they all seemed tight. I am thinking of getting a mechanic to go over all the fastners for security

Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

Hi,

after contending with grunting sound from both the front wheels while braking in the last few months, I finally went to the MASS today (and also on Monday where they rectified only one side). Turns out that the brake caliper pin needs greasing and re-seating (whatever that is). I had previously done this in January also from outside after the same complaint and was given the same reason.

While there, I questioned them as to how water was getting inside the car from the driver side. Actually, my driver side speaker got soaked and shorted out twice. I had Polk marine rated speakers in but even those couldnt take the soaking. They told me (after I insisted on them pressure washing that side to see if water goes in) that the plastic sheet installed on the inner metal frame of the door was broken when installing the speakers asn so this was happening. The asked to install the speakers with a hardware kit they have which has a plastic bladder that encloses the speakers. What the hell? How can a plastic sheet which I think is there to prevent scratches during assembly protect speakers from water and how can there be no protection for a speaker in the hole meant to take the speaker? It just makes no sense to me

Ameyam

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

Pressure wash inside?

Normally they do vacumming inside.

If you think rain water is seeping in Mr.Ameyam, check install a material ( Foams used for sound consoles ), though its priced high , it may help .

 

[ameyam]

Vishnu,

Pressure wash from outside obviously. But water is seeping into the door and going into the speaker.
If water is entering the door, damping wont help. Typically, damping material has an open cell structure that doesn't absorb water. Also, i feel that the design is dumb- to provide for speakers in the door & not provide any protection

Anyway, i am planning to get new speakers online as soon i get a good deal. In the same breath, i am going to also get some damping material and have it installed with the speakers


Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

Hi,

A problem i am facing with my Swift for some time now. I tend to progressively brake with gentle pedal pressure as i feel that this gives me more control on this lower trim car with the spongy brake by design . As the car starts to come to a halt, there is a grunting sound from the front. The sound is not continuous but like grunt- grunt- grunt. Frequency of the sound reduces with speed i.e. the spacing increases as the speed reduces.
The issue started back in jan- feb. At first i had my trusted mechanic check it. He opened up the brakes & regreased the caliper pin. The problem went away for a fortnight & then came back. My mechanic then told me this was inherent to the braking system & nothing could be done. I did report this issue at 2nd service in April when the noise wasnt too severe. I was told this was normal. At that time it was only the left wheel grunting but in June even the right wheel began sounding. By July the sound had started coming frm higher speeds, so i reported to the MASS. On 4th August they changed the bearings on the right & on recomplaint on 14th they did greasing of the pin on the left. I was there personally on the 14th. While taking test drive i told them the issue was likely unresolved because i could feel vibrations in the brake pedal consistent with the gruntung frequency i used to hear. Lo & behold on the 26th the problem started again

Now my question is what should i do? Has anyone else encountered such a issue? If so, whats the solution? My suspicion is that the disc on the left is out of true & this is why the issue is recurring (had shared my doubts with the ASS on 14th but they said it was a greaaing issue). I have booked an appointment with the ASS for Monday but am not sure how they are going to resolve it on this 10month old car

Along with the water ingress issue, i am starting to wonder if going for the Swift over the Brio or I20 or Polo was a mistake

Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

Took the car to the MASS on Tuesday. They "checked" for the sound and told me it wasnt there. But my driver was able to demonstrate it and they "worked" on the car the whole day. I caught up with them in the evening and the problem was still there. They said that a little bit of noise at the end of braking was "normal". I told them I would drive the car and report. Lo and behold, the very next day the problem was back. The grunting sound is loud enough to be heard even with the car stereo on and playing songs. Reported it back to the MASS. As we had discussed before, the MASS agreed to fix it at 3rd service which is less than 2 weeks away.
I researched the issue on the net and discovered that this is a common problem. Whats happening is that the caliper pin hole gets enlarged in due course and rather than replace the caliper and pin, the MASS simply regrease the pin, so problem returns in just a few days. This time I am going to ask them to replace the caliper and pin.
Regarding the water ingress issues, they returned the car to me with more packing tape on the plastic between the door trim and the inner sheet. Words fall short of how pathetic I feel that solution is. Nonetheless, I asked them what their so called great solution was and thew showed me speaker ring that has an extended hub which covers the speakers. Then I showed them what I had

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Water-Guard/229265487224767

The one I have has a much wider hub and it covers more of the speaker. As expected, they said it was useless. When I asked the accessories guy which speakers he proposed to install with his ring, he showed me a set of pioneer and Alpine speakers that were just sad. Then I asked him which speakers suited me, informing that I wanted speakers that were pleasant to the ears and not for head banging. He had no idea what speakers he was selling. Later, speaking to my trusted mechanic, he test fitted the rings in the door and confirmed that there was no interference with the window glass. He also confirmed that this was the correct part to install and would offer maximum protection

Well, this "after-sales" at the MASS is just pathetic (you can insert a few unparliamentary words here). May be they see many cars daily but we see the same car everyday and they must understand that pissing off customers this way will in no way help their business in the long run. I am bearing with them just to keep the warranty, I would rather have my mechanic fix the offending parts.
In the final service, I will firmly ask the service centre to replace the caliper, pin and discs. If they deny it, I will not extend my AMC with them and also complain to Maruti Suzuki directly. If the problem resolves, I will persist with this car because I have no other reason to change it otherwise. If not, I will move on to something else next year.

Ameyam

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

If you are sure of the part that is the culprit , here it is calliper set as you said , you can definitely ask them to get it replaced .
Please contact Customer care manager at service centre and also if he doesn't do the needful , you can talk directly with higher officials of Maruti udyog

 

[ameyam]

Guys,

having tried (and failed) to record the sound on my phone on the road, I had an idea and took the car to the 2nd basement at my office where there is no traffic and no surrounding noise. Then I took it down the ramp in neutral using the brakes with just enough pressure to keep the car rolling at 5kmph without gaining speed. I was then able to record the sound from the brakes. In the attached clip (use headphones to hear it more clearly), the grunting sound is the one I am talking about and you can hear its frequency change with speed. Its loud enough that it can be heard even with the deck on normally, just getting my phone to record it clearly was proving difficult

Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

3rd service today. At the end of the day they told me they found nothing wrong with the brakes. That did it. Caught hold of the Manager & asked him how many times he expected me to bring in the car. I told him that if he couldn't solve the issue, i already knew which car i would replace it with, where to buy it from & how much i wad going to spend. I told him i was concerned that the brakes wouldnt work on approach to a signal one fine day and that i had no other reason to look at another brand other than the brake issue. If required, i offered to give a written complaint in ony one's name (meaning in any of the owners' name). They suggested to take delivery as it was serviced & inform if the problem recurred. I asked him what would happen if the issue recurred & got no answer
took a test druve and the problem is there still- can feel in the pedal & very small sound. I have another visit due when i am to renew insurance in October. If they dont help. I will go on to an Amaze (or something else) soon

Ameyam

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

No need to go for a new car Mr.Ameyam.

You can mail Maruti Udyog Ltd as well as your customer care.
Ask them to replace the brake set completely,from the audio i could hear only a train like noise.
I thing its linked with cylinder hydraulic mechanism, which pushes the fluid .

Does the fluid level remain consistent in Fluid chamber.

 

[allhyundaicars]

Have you checked the brake pads ? I didn't see any reply of yours mentioning it,
.

 

[ameyam]

In the audio, you will hear a background hiss and some grunting sounds. The background hiss is because I am recording off a phone and the phone microphone is tuned to hear voices, not sounds. The grunting sound you hear is the braking sound I was talking about. Its louder in person, you can even hear it with the stereo on. And there is a peculiarity- that sound was with constant brake pedal pressure, but towards the end, there is a speed breaker at the bottom of the ramp, so you press harder sound stops. I havent checked the level of fluid in the brake oil chamber, it doesnt seem to drop and I dont have a leak anywhere. It couldnt be the brake master cylinder because wheel. Whether its the slave cylinder or pulsing of the fluid causing the pads to judder, no idea and it not my problem. It for the MASS to fix

I have taken down the manager's number with the intent of sending an official complaint. Will be sending him the audio along with a written record of things they have done so far for his record and will ask tell him very clearly that this is the last time I am allowing the problem. If it recurs, he will have to replace the entire braking system
I had written to MUL earlier but have received no response to my email. So this time, I will write to the MASS manager with copy to MUL

Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

Brake pads are checked. Yesterday was my 3rd service and my car is 11 months old. Even my trusted mechanic has confirmed brakes pads are ok. Still concerned as to why the OEM TVS don't have the brake bite as they should for a car like the Swift but that is a different issue


Ameyam

 

[VISHNUCARCRAZY]

Only solution here is replace brake components under warranty.
If they are reluctant TAI core team will help ,i think.