Mahindra XUV500 (W201): First Impressions Pg.29 Onwards

[Raja]

If priced wisely; XUV W4 + Stock Alloys is much sensible.
Time to visit the Mahindra showroom.

BTW what exactly are 'cladding strips'?

True , the best part is it comes with airbags and abs and the engine is already proven and solid . Less electronics means less things going wrong and you can customize the car to your hearts content with whichever music system you wish to install . Iam sure they will at least initially prize it sensibly .

 

[Superbad]

And how many incidents you have like salman khans range rover to report , compared to issues of xuv ?

Land Rover revealed as the UK's least reliable car, as 71 per cent over three years-old break down at least once a year | Mail Online

Start a new thread and then we will compare reliability of range rover vs Mercedes G wagen . ( same class and range )

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here it is. no need for a thread.
Cars more dependable than ever, Lexus tops the chart while Land Rover is least reliable - NY Daily News

just for the records sake.

 

[graptor]

Land Rover revealed as the UK's least reliable car, as 71 per cent over three years-old break down at least once a year | Mail Online

here it is. no need for a thread.
Cars more dependable than ever, Lexus tops the chart while Land Rover is least reliable - NY Daily News

just for the records sake.

So Sallu bhai was not throwing tantrums .

One of my close relative rented a Land Rover in UK for 2 weekss, his car too faced a break down.

 

[Superbad]

So Sallu bhai was not throwing tantrums .

One of my close relative rented a Land Rover in UK for 2 weekss, his car too faced a break down.

thanks to his earlier controversies , all he can manage is being driven around.

the point made about the land rover in the XUV thread being , even the the most renowned premium brands, having a lot of heritage, history , yada-yada (benchmark brands for the category-SUV) are the producers of the least reliable vehicles( same class and range).

 

[Raja]

thanks to his earlier controversies , all he can manage is being driven around.

the point made about the land rover in the XUV thread being , even the the most renowned premium brands, having a lot of heritage, history , yada-yada (benchmark brands for the category-SUV) are the producers of the least reliable vehicles( same class and range).

And this does not make the xuv niggle free . Hope you apply the same logic everywhere henceforth when it comes to niggles not just keep it limited to mahindra .

Btw my 3 friends have range rover and discovery since 2009 , 2012 and 2013 all are extremely reliable , and never has given them any trouble ever so ?

You seriously need to start a new thread regarding " niggles in range rover or premium luxury brands "

Or are you are trying to convince that since a range rover can have niggles it's ok that a xuv too can have niggles too ?

Btw you know alto is more reliable then Bentley , because the Bentley relatively breaks down more then alto .

 

[Iron Rock]

Cmon Guys lets avoid further OT, stick to the thread topic from here onwards. Some points made and contextual comparisons - but lets not go wild further

 

[raj_5004]

I just have one thing to say about the comparison of XUV's niggles with the other reliable vehicles.

Let's take the Innova, Storme and Duster for example. Compared to the XUV, how many features do they have? Things can only go wrong if they are present in the first place. You cannot complain about the lack of sweetness in a coffee after you have ordered "a coffee without sugar", can you?

The more the complicated electronics, the more the chances are of one of them to fail. The same applies to luxury brands like Merc, BMW and RR, which has a lot of electronic creature comforts. In stark contrast, the competition carries just the basics and hence there is nothing in it to fail.

I am not defending the XUV's niggles here. Of course, it is M&M's duty to make sure that if they are offering so and so features, it should work as intended mostly, if not always. But when we are comparing the XUV's niggles to vehicles like the Innova which does not carry even half the features of the former, does it make sense?

Mechanical failures in the XUV like brake grinding noise, clutch failure, etc. is not part of the above discussion and M&M is solely and wholly responsible for them. But most of XUV's issues are related to its features, which competitors clearly lack.

Tata's example of a car which was as heavily loaded as the XUV in terms of features was the Aria... and it was not free of niggles either. Right after buying my Civic, I have realized that the Civic has 3 known issues -

1) Power steering pump and rack leakage - costs 30k
2) Front wheel bearings noise - costs 14k
3) Suspension weakening - costs 30k

Honda has never bothered to issue a recall for the car for the above issues. Also, most of the times, they do not even bother to cover the above known issues under warranty, unless the customer raises his voice. In contrast, M&M is more than happy to change the faulty parts under warranty. Even wear and tear parts like brake and clutch is replaced under warranty, without any questioning. Some say, it is M&M's duty to do so. So is Honda's duty to change the parts in all Civics. Are they doing it? So much for "Japanese reliability".

 

[gears1313]

Okey so leaving apart the niggles of Xuv and Range Rover; when is the W4 expected?
And what exactly does clading means?
And how much does OE Xuv alloys would cost?

 

[Raja]

I just have one thing to say about the comparison of XUV's niggles with the other reliable vehicles.

Let's take the Innova, Storme and Duster for example.

Thanks for bringing sanity by comparing the car relatively to cars in its price range and product category .

Compared to the XUV, how many features do they have?

less .

Things can only go wrong if they are present in the first place. You cannot complain about the lack of sweetness in a coffee after you have ordered "a coffee without sugar", can you?

True .
And it doesn't change the fact that the other coffee available is too sweet . Means the innova and storme don't have features and so no niggles. And the Xuv has features and also have / had niggles . And why reporting them is a problem ?

The more the complicated electronics, the more the chances are of one of them to fail. The same applies to luxury brands like Merc, BMW and RR, which has a lot of electronic creature comforts. In stark contrast, the competition carries just the basics and hence there is nothing in it to fail.

completely agree with you .

I am not defending the XUV's niggles here. Of course, it is M&M's duty to make sure that if they are offering so and so features, it should work as intended mostly, if not always. But when we are comparing the XUV's niggles to vehicles like the Innova which does not carry even half the features of the former, does it make sense?

What matters is the end result for * some *people .

What is the objective thing here ? It is that innova has no features hence no major niggles . Xuv has features and also niggles ( many of them already solved by mahindra , infact some had major niggles some had no niggles . You have this vibrating problem Singh 890 has no such problem and my friend who has the first batch xuv has many problems but not the one which you have )

What if somebody's priority is less features but no major niggles ? That's when innova , storme , duster comes in as a example when it is relatively compared . If someone is ok with niggles but want features of course the xuv is a clear winner .

Mechanical failures in the XUV like brake grinding noise, clutch failure, etc. is not part of the above discussion and M&M is solely and wholly responsible for them. But most of XUV's issues are related to its features, which competitors clearly lack.

And reporting them is bad or good in the forum ?

Tata's example of a car which was as heavily loaded as the XUV in terms of features was the Aria... and it was not free of niggles either.

+100 Exactly .

you being involved on both xuv and aria thread equally , I want to know from you what will you call such examples ? Or how would you react to such post and examples if THE XOVER had given them ? ( in spite being a open tata motors hardcore fan he has never done such things )

Right after buying my Civic, I have realized that the Civic has 3 known issues -

1) Power steering pump and rack leakage - costs 30k
2) Front wheel bearings noise - costs 14k
3) Suspension weakening - costs 30k

Honda has never bothered to issue a recall for the car for the above issues. Also, most of the times, they do not even bother to cover the above known issues under warranty, unless the customer raises his voice. In contrast, M&M is more than happy to change the faulty parts under warranty. Even wear and tear parts like brake and clutch is replaced under warranty, without any questioning. Some say, it is M&M's duty to do so. So is Honda's duty to change the parts in all Civics. Are they doing it? So much for "Japanese reliability".

Mahindra and tata are only 2 companies I have read and heard about who change parts under warranty without even questioning a single word .

We're as Toyota and Honda and even maruti is extremely adamant in doing so inspite of their fault in some cases .

How can we teach them lesson ? by fighting back , how ? by starting threads on forums and questioning and ridiculing their reliability and by bringing Awareness across the board .

Now tomorrow if you start such thread and if I support you will you and me be bad mouthing Honda , Toyota , or maruti and their cars ? And how would you react if someone comes and gives you a example by saying the jaguar has niggles so what is so big issue if the Honda has niggles ?

we are on a public forum which shares latest information by posting findings and facts , news in the automotive world

. The xuv is a indeed a fantastic effort and a great vehicle from mahindra and being a first generation vehicle it came with its niggles ( mahindra has even taken care of most of the niggles ) , posting the niggles is not bad mouthing the car, finding obvious flaws , or reporting even bad a.s.s from mahindra is not bad mouthing it's is just posting facts ( everything posted was provided with links and pics) . If it's not done car marker will not take things seriously and take the consumer for ride .


But it seems some take anything wrong said about mahindra or their cars so personally as if their self esteem is crushed . Or as if they were the ones who designed the cars , or are employees of mahindra .

But by posting justifications just because these cars also have niggles so it's ok that xuv can also have niggles is as funny as it can get .

And if it's ok and fine then this logic must be applied to all cars safari , nano , aria , tavera , swift , storme , manza , and all . Iam wrong here ?

We are in the end consumers . We are not cheerleaders of some brands that we have to out of the way go and defend the car and the brand since we love or own it . ( not mentioning you here at all )

Okey so leaving apart the niggles of Xuv and Range Rover;

when is the W4 expected?

I think they will announce it anytime .

And what exactly does clading means?

See the attached pic .

And how much does OE Xuv alloys would cost?

Xuv owners or iron rock might help you here .

 

[kinshuk.arya]

Okey so leaving apart the niggles of Xuv and Range Rover; when is the W4 expected?
And what exactly does clading means?
And how much does OE Xuv alloys would cost?

There are 2 OEM XUV Alloys

one the standards on W8 and the other with the flower design.

The flower designed ones are 35k for 4.
I dont think Mahindra gives the W8 std alloys from dealerships. However, you can contact any existing XUV owner for an exchange who wish to put in aftermarket ones.

 

[Superbad]

Posting a separate thread about range rover and it's reliabilty must be indeed done why to spare JLR for their niggles ? Or a BMW or a merc , Audi or even a Porsche for that matter they must be ripped apart royally .

i came across an instance of tweet on twitter , i posted because some the problems mentioned were similar to the XUV (brake pads changes)

But by posting justifications just because these cars also have niggles so it's ok that xuv can also have niggles is as funny as it can get .

i have never said that.

 

[manojodungat]

M&M has made a host of improvements to iron out niggles in the Mahindra XUV500 and in the process, has lowered the ground clearance too.-ACI

• Re-engineered brake system with better quality brake pads that improve feel and don't groan when used constantly.
• Recalibrated brake booster and ABS
• Improved clutch operation
• Improved build quality

The latest Mahindra XUV500 feels tauter and much better screwed together. M&M has worked hard on eliminating squeaks and rattles by carefully matching different materials and panels on the dashboard and interior trim. But what has really improved the torsional stiffness of the Mahindra XUV500 is closer spot welds in the body-on-white. Though this has increased cost and a bit of weight, it has resulted in a far stiffer body structure, which is essential in our rough road conditions.-ACI

• Better suspension

The suspension too feels more pliant thanks to better bushes, which have taken the harsh edge out of the ride-ACI

• An excellent move by Mahindra to negate the ridiculous tax regulation on SUVs.

With the latest XUV500, M&M has cleverly and cost effectively got around the three percent tax that the government recently levied on SUVs that have a ground clearance of more than 170mm. The fact is that M&M has basically done nothing! A re-profiled stone guard which, in effect, is the lowest point of the Mahindra XUV500 lowered the ground clearance by another 10mm-ACI

• The infotainment system upgrade, specifically the maps and the Bluetooth system called Blusense
• Premium grease for the front drive shaft for a better feel and lighter steering.

Source:
Autocarindia
overdrive.in

 

[Raja]

Word count -"niggles"- 20 times in a single post in this XUV thread
Edit: 14 times

Great example of creative editing . Iam sure it must have taken good time of yours editing my post and highlighting the word " niggles " indeed a great effort .

But Anyway why does it matter if I used the word 14 or 140 times when used in the context of the post buddy ?

And you conveniently decided to ignore in excitement of creatively editing my post about what other things I posted , I also posted this --->

What is the objective thing here ? It is that innova has no features hence no major niggles . Xuv has features and also niggles ( many of them already solved by mahindra , infact some had major niggles some had no niggles . You have this vibrating problem Singh 890 has no such problem and my friend who has the first batch xuv has many problems but not the one which you have )

And

. The xuv is a indeed a fantastic effort and a great vehicle from mahindra and being a first generation vehicle it came with its niggles ( mahindra has even taken care of most of the niggles ) , posting the niggles is not bad mouthing the car, finding obvious flaws , or reporting even bad a.s.s from mahindra is not bad mouthing it's is just posting facts ( everything posted was provided with links and pics) . If it's not done car marker will not take things seriously and take the consumer for ride .

Btw since our forum rules don't allow to post information from certain sites , I can't post here to show you that recent July 2013 made xuv w6 ( less features ) also came with niggles and had to visit the a.s.s multiple times to change and correct many things like clutch / cylinder , wipers , window winders , steering which was not centered , seats which were not aligned, door beading , among a slew of other things. and when the owner went to correct the niggles his parts got changed under a fraud .


Anyone can google " parts replacement fraud at mahindra Dahisar work shop and can read why the car went in the a.s.s in first place , Seems this mahindra a.s.s doesn't follow " with you hamesha " guidelines .

I'm sure you must have read that , or you decided to ignore that and only concentrate on auto cars India's articles ?

 

[raj_5004]

And it doesn't change the fact that the other coffee available is too sweet . Means the innova and storme don't have features and so no niggles. And the Xuv has features and also have / had niggles . And why reporting them is a problem ?

Reporting recurring niggles should not be a problem at all.

Infact owners should update even one time incidents in their ownership reports... thats the whole point of a 'report'.

What if somebody's priority is less features but no major niggles ? That's when innova , storme , duster comes in as a example when it is relatively compared . If someone is ok with niggles but want features of course the xuv is a clear winner .

This is exactly what I have mentioned in my ownership report.

And reporting them is bad or good in the forum ?

Good for the forum, its members, other readers, prospective owners and even the companies (M&M and TATA).

you being involved on both xuv and aria thread equally , I want to know from you what will you call such examples ? Or how would you react to such post and examples if THE XOVER had given them ? ( in spite being a open tata motors hardcore fan he has never done such things )

I am slightly confused by what you meant to ask here.

Regarding how would I react to Aria's niggles, I have always condemned TATA for not bringing out a fault free vehicle. So, it is imperative that I must also criticize M&M for the same.

The difference I have experienced and read is the way the A.S.S. of both the companies handled the issues and their customers when they had a problem.

Again, that I guess would differ depending on the A.S.S., since you said you had a positive experience with Wasan.

How can we teach them lesson ? by fighting back , how ? by starting threads on forums and questioning and ridiculing their reliability and by bringing Awareness across the board.

+100.

There are 2 OEM XUV Alloys

one the standards on W8 and the other with the flower design.

The flower designed ones are 35k for 4.
I dont think Mahindra gives the W8 std alloys from dealerships. However, you can contact any existing XUV owner for an exchange who wish to put in aftermarket ones.

The flower design one (M&M like to call it "speed") are 16" whereas the stock ones are 17".

* Better suspension

The suspension too feels more pliant thanks to better bushes, which have taken the harsh edge out of the ride-ACI

I have felt the difference in the ride quality after the A.S.S. tinkered with my car's suspension - basically the changed the front balancer bushes to a newer design. I am not sure if that is the reason.

 

[Raja]

Reporting recurring niggles should not be a problem at all.

Infact owners should update even one time incidents in their ownership reports... thats the whole point of a 'report'.


This is exactly what I have mentioned in my ownership report.

+100

Unfortunately some get extremely defensive if niggles are posted here .

Good for the forum, its members, other readers, prospective owners and even the companies (M&M and TATA).

See this precise the point in the end we are consumers we pay and buy the car right , the car companies don't even give us anything for free . So why to spare them ? And what is wrong in posting the problems ? You understand that some don't .

I am slightly confused by what you meant to ask here.

I knew you were bound to get confused because the real question posted to you got edited .

Since the range rover was mentioned here ,
My question was simple what if any one would have posted in aria thread that since the Bentley faced a break down in the middle of the road and the queen got stranded , why are people making such a huge issue of aria facing a break down in the middle of the road ? Or if some one gives a example of Ashton Martin being extremely unreliable so why are people making such a big fuss about the reliabilty of tata manza ?
What would be your reaction to this I wanted to know that . Hope you understood my question now and I hope the mods are fine too with it


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