Hyundai Grand i10 & Xcent: Technical Problems & Solutions


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Took my car for second service and had the reported issues checked, not all of them though. Took the entire day and didn’t come out as the best experience. Please see below –

1. TAK sound from clutch – They opened the whole clutch assembly and checked everything and found nothing. No issue. I was there standing for good 3-4 hours and looked very closely at the entire proceedings. But wait a second. Post putting back everything together, the infamous sound was gone. Magic! Well it’s not completely gone but has gone for good 90%. As much as I was pleasantly surprised, I had a grin looking at the SA’ face because he had declared that noise ‘normal’ and according to him, nothing could have been done about it. Anyways, whatever the goddamn reason is, I just hope it remains that way because should that noise comes back, I’m not wasting my time again because it is one hell of a job making HASS folks hear abnormal noise/sound from your car (more on this later).

2. Didn’t bother getting the thud noise from rear left suspension checked. Couldn’t gather enough courage to go through the painful process of test drives and making them hear the noise. This is one thing with HASS guys. They could use some good quality hearing aid. They definitely seem to be in need of it because they fail to hear some very loud and prominent noise from their customers’ cars. Not sure if they choose to do it. Quite possible…

3. Heavy steering – Again, a “perfect” steering wheel according to them! Tell me why I wasn’t surprised hearing this? I didn’t argue. Didn’t say a word. They couldn’t do anything to make it lighter. Accepted. As a bad dream. Cursed myself raising it. Should have learnt from my mistakes by now..

4. Got the tyre rotation done. The guy at the alignment section refused to align and balance my car’ tyres as they were not per company’ standard size. Didn’t know what to say. Should have said something, now I feel. But alas, too much pain. Got it done from one of the better outside shops. That too, @400 INR. HASS charges 1200 INR for it!

5. Hissing sound while the AC is on – Took me three drives to make them hear it (hearing aid??). Knew that nothing would happen but still tried. They checked AC compressor and ECU settings via monitor and everything was okay. So what causes the noise? Well, they had no clue whatsoever. They kept pushing to make it sound very normal. May be it is normal but the way HASS folks try to shrug off these little things makes me real mad. They first pretend not being able to identify/hear the noise and later when they apparently do, they simply and very conveniently declare them as ‘normal’. Mind you, not just one, but I have been to couple of different HASS and all of them have the similar approach. May be that’s how these guys get trained at the time of joining Hyundai..

6. Didn’t even talk about it – Mild steering vibrations when the engine fan is on. By now, I just wanted to leave that place.

7. Engine oil – Well, they don’t keep semi synthetic. They only have pure synthetic and mineral oil to choose from. Didn’t want to go with pure synthetic this time – chose mineral oil.

Cleaning throttle body is a part of second service which the service guy didn’t do. Since I was standing there for the whole time, I knew it but didn’t talk about it until the car was about to get ready for delivery. I called my SA, informed him and got it done but I was shocked to see such important thing being missed. I wonder how many things they tend to skip while doing their routine job!

At last, the cleaning was done which was just about okay. Not too bad but nothing to boast about either. They broke God idol on the dash, left a lot of dust particle inside the car and had a lot of grease smudges all over the body which I didn’t bother to complain about since I was just too tired to stand there for another half an hour. They tried selling me anti rust coating worth 2000 INR with five years warranty, which initially I was interested in but said no later. Didn’t buy third year’ extended warranty either. Was too pissed with a lot of stuff and couldn’t care less for getting anything extra from them. Gave them average ratings on everything. Wanted to give poor for car cleaning but that would have meant another round of conversation with them which I wasn’t willing to do.!

Overall, not very happy with the way the day went. The only positives I had were –
TAK sound is almost gone
Car was serviced
Whatever the quality of work these guys have, one thing which impresses me, always, is that they are courteous and usually oblige to customers’ requests and demands.

Regards
 
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Update after my drive yesterday. When there a free moving traffic and not much stress given to clutch no TAK sound. If I drive by releasing half clutch in B to B traffic I tend to hear the sound.
 
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Well, I've not been fortunate enough to convince Garve Hyundai until yesterday on my clutch hardening and poor gear shift issues with my 3 month old Grand i10, I had 2 unscheduled visits in last one month as I was invited by them responding to a COMPLAINT I raised @CSR, impact of complaint @CSR is grand which I suspect being a new customer I am honored with and god knows after a year or so would it still work. I am now assured reading your post Nitinmehta that HASS have weak hearing abilities and right I would suggest them to get machines helping them. In my case the issues are intermittent, my bad luck, If you start the car and drive it on smooth pitch for 20 KMs you will prove me wrong or may even recommend some driving schools,
BUT the moment you stuck in B2B traffic and frequent use of gear change and bite point on clutch, the car begins fighting with driver, gears will not settle into slot, and make various sounds (springs / Hiss / thud etc) clutch will become hard enough to make you stand on it, same thing happens when you drive it in top gear with full throttle or on very bad roads in 1st gear.
to resolve this you have to give a break , stop the car , turn off and wait and restart and all these issues will disappear...!! God knows what goes wrong. my complaint is escalated twice, last time the Hyundai Service manager himself drove it and found nothing wrong and I'm again invited HASS this weekend let's test the luck
 
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Well, I've not been fortunate enough to convince Garve Hyundai until yesterday on my clutch hardening and poor gear shift issues with my 3 month old Grand i10, I had 2 unscheduled visits in last one month as I was invited by them responding to a COMPLAINT I raised @CSR, impact of complaint @CSR is grand which I suspect being a new customer I am honored with and god knows after a year or so would it still work. I am now assured reading your post Nitinmehta that HASS have weak hearing abilities and right I would suggest them to get machines helping them. In my case the issues are intermittent, my bad luck, If you start the car and drive it on smooth pitch for 20 KMs you will prove me wrong or may even recommend some driving schools,
BUT the moment you stuck in B2B traffic and frequent use of gear change and bite point on clutch, the car begins fighting with driver, gears will not settle into slot, and make various sounds (springs / Hiss / thud etc) clutch will become hard enough to make you stand on it, same thing happens when you drive it in top gear with full throttle or on very bad roads in 1st gear.
to resolve this you have to give a break , stop the car , turn off and wait and restart and all these issues will disappear...!! God knows what goes wrong. my complaint is escalated twice, last time the Hyundai Service manager himself drove it and found nothing wrong and I'm again invited HASS this weekend let's test the luck
Hey SamHyundai

Sorry to hear about the pain you have been going through, especially with a car as new as just three-month old! I can completely understand and correlate the frustration of driving this car in city driving conditions. The irritating sounds, struggling gear box and clutch just add to the whole bad (read: exhausting) driving experience. I too hate driving my car in dense traffic for the same reasons. The difference is felt more when you come back driving a 'better' car in the similar conditions. This is when it hits you like a bullet that this car is definitely not ideal for B2B driving.

I hope HASS guys can read the sounds coming from your car and do something about them, which may qualify as being a little "over optimist" though. Please keep us posted with any sort of progress.

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So Today Garve Hyundai picked up the car from home at 9:30 AM, the service advisor called around 11 AM confirming the car is brought to service platform and asked me to briefly explain the problem, and heard very patiently. He assured this time I'll get the permanent solution. Around 1 PM Service manager Mr. Janak called and updated the progress, the clutch cable was removed to lubricate and then reinstalled, He suspected the loose installation causing vaccum being created which resulted into clutch hardness,the gear synchronizer was reset to factory settings, gear lever assembly, clutch pedals are lubricated, freeway is set to minimum. Later they dropped the car at home at 5 PM, I took it to a test drive (around 6 KMs) in dense traffic along with SA who had come to drop the car, the clutch I found is butter smooth now, gears are shifting sharply into slots with very slight click sounds to which he said should get settled in 1-2 rides. they have kept the service call open to observe for 2 days and will close on Tuesday if the problem does't recur. I'm quite satisfied till now and will observe it for next few days.
 
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So Today Garve Hyundai picked up the car from home at 9:30 AM, the service advisor called around 11 AM confirming the car is brought to service platform and asked me to briefly explain the problem, and heard very patiently. He assured this time I'll get the permanent solution. Around 1 PM Service manager Mr. Janak called and updated the progress, the clutch cable was removed to lubricate and then reinstalled, He suspected the loose installation causing vaccum being created which resulted into clutch hardness,the gear synchronizer was reset to factory settings, gear lever assembly, clutch pedals are lubricated, freeway is set to minimum. Later they dropped the car at home at 5 PM, I took it to a test drive (around 6 KMs) in dense traffic along with SA who had come to drop the car, the clutch I found is butter smooth now, gears are shifting sharply into slots with very slight click sounds to which he said should get settled in 1-2 rides. they have kept the service call open to observe for 2 days and will close on Tuesday if the problem does't recur. I'm quite satisfied till now and will observe it for next few days.
Really glad to see your post [:D]. Seems like your car is behaving better in traffic conditions. Hope it remains that way. So the TAK sound is still present or has it been isolated too? Please update.

One thing which concerns me is if the issue is with loose installation (if at all) per HASS, how come Hyundai let it happen with so many cars? (No QA??) Or is it their design/tech which sucks this bad?

My car has managed to develop the TAK sound again and I can't help but just laugh at Hyundai and their expertise. [lol]I got a feedback call yesterday and told them how pathetic their service really is. I'm not taking it any further. Just so sick and tired of them. Will let myself drive it with the sound along with other niggles. Guess that's how I need to live with it till I get rid of this marvel and get myself a better one.

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Really glad to see your post [:D]. Seems like your car is behaving better in traffic conditions. Hope it remains that way. So the TAK sound is still present or has it been isolated too? Please update.

One thing which concerns me is if the issue is with loose installation (if at all) per HASS, how come Hyundai let it happen with so many cars? (No QA??) Or is it their design/tech which sucks this bad?

My car has managed to develop the TAK sound again and I can't help but just laugh at Hyundai and their expertise. [lol]I got a feedback call yesterday and told them how pathetic their service really is. I'm not taking it any further. Just so sick and tired of them. Will let myself drive it with the sound along with other niggles. Guess that's how I need to live with it till I get rid of this marvel and get myself a better one.

Regards
I noticed the TAK sound from clutch even with the engine Off, it seems a design flaw which Hyundai will never accept as an issue, so it still persists though very occasionally, another observation is these activities have to be performed periodically , I am damn sure now after driving it for more that 40 KMs that will reoccur may be within 1000 KMs more, the credit goes to clutch cable fitment, I20 has hydrolics but to ones surprise , it has clutch hardening issues even more prominent , however I've noted it down to have these settings done over a period (maybe every 1000KMs) rather than waiting for service schedule. This I find the only solution to my problem, On top of everything I find wisest decision to opt for 4th year extended warranty to cover all such concurrent issues and others yet to uncover[cry].
 
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Hi

My car had developed super hard clutch post service. For a few days I didn't pay much attention to this but it stuck me when I drove my car for good 50 kms and my left knee started killing me.. I immediately called Samara Hyundai' customer care manager and told them about the issue. They had my car picked up from my place next day (yesterday) and one of their service managers called me to inform that pressure plates need to be replaced as it seemed to be the culprit. They wanted my consent and also wanted one additional day for the work as they didn't have enough time left for the day.

Today I went to the workshop to pick up my car since I wanted to ensure the work is done to my satisfaction. The car was ready by their promised time. The moment I sat inside and pressed the clutch I knew that they have fixed it as it was light, as it was earlier. Had a brief test drive and to my surprise, the TAK sound had also gone! Not sure if it will come back again like it did couple of days back but now I certainly feel the difference in driving, specially in dense traffic conditions.. I'm quite surprised (in a good way), with how efficiently Hyundai has worked on my complaint though initially they were quite sure the clutch was perfectly okay, and couldn't be lighter :) I'm now sure it is their training on consumer' complaints which needs immediate attention :-)

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Hi

My car had developed super hard clutch post service. For a few days I didn't pay much attention to this but it stuck me when I drove my car for good 50 kms and my left knee started killing me.. I immediately called Samara Hyundai' customer care manager and told them about the issue. They had my car picked up from my place next day (yesterday) and one of their service managers called me to inform that pressure plates need to be replaced as it seemed to be the culprit. They wanted my consent and also wanted one additional day for the work as they didn't have enough time left for the day.

Today I went to the workshop to pick up my car since I wanted to ensure the work is done to my satisfaction. The car was ready by their promised time. The moment I sat inside and pressed the clutch I knew that they have fixed it as it was light, as it was earlier. Had a brief test drive and to my surprise, the TAK sound had also gone! Not sure if it will come back again like it did couple of days back but now I certainly feel the difference in driving, specially in dense traffic conditions.. I'm quite surprised (in a good way), with how efficiently Hyundai has worked on my complaint though initially they were quite sure the clutch was perfectly okay, and couldn't be lighter :) I'm now sure it is their training on consumer' complaints which needs immediate attention :-)

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Hi Nitin,
First am glad to hear that the clutch hardness has gone, as I can understand the pain having experienced it, BUT at the same time am surprised to hear pressure plates could not bear the pressure for first 10K-15K odd KMs? How much did it cost to your pocket b.t.w? please share..
Since I've gone through similar issue few observations I would like to share, Hyundai has got verrry bad clutch assembly, moreover they know it, still they are continuing to sell this garbage, Hyundai has learnt lots of technics and tectics to cover this weakness beneath carpet, such as:
- Mostly there is no issues with clutch (unless your car is out of warranty), it's so soft that the technicians at HASS could depress it without putting left leg completely[lol]
- You've more than necessary freeplay in clutch which will not allow utilizing bite point (3 layers) completely, because at around 75%-90% clutch released you will find the bite point and obviously will not hold it as a practice.you might not have felt it unless you've reset the clutch play from HASS, but in course of your driving for some miles freeplay would've been reduced.
- HASS will blame you for riding clutch that have caused the issue.[frustration]
I was recommended to replace my clutch assembly at 1500 KMs on Oddo, when I complained to Hyundai CRS, it came out to be a cable fitment issue and yet at 5000 KMs my clutch is butter smooth.[:)]
I would recommend to all even if you find slight hardness which would go away in some time, take it seriously and start blaming Hyundai for bad clutch before they start blaming you with thousands of reasons.
 
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@ Sam - they give shitty reasons like don't complaint if the clutch won't act like new if you don't replace all the parts.

2 days back the clutch bearing started giving problems. The clutch pedal could only be depressed by 10% ( it hung lower than normal)

I got it replaced only 15k back (from local mechanic) so thought of trying hyundai. They quoted 5500rs including labor and also told me about pivot which would cost 2200 rs if damaged.

I hung up and got the bearing fixed frolics outside only :p I am sure they would have replaced everything including the pivot.

Anyways do you know how the bearing can get damage ?

Car has covered 155k kms
1st clutch set -90k
2nd clutch set - 143k

Sam please reply her http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...ndai-trio-santro-i10-verna-20.html#post515723
 
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Thanks, Vivek and Samhyundai. I too hope the clutch remains 'normal' and there are no further surprises..

@Samhyundai - No charges for the plates replacement were incurred. I'm assuming because of car being under warranty.. Agree with you and allhyundaicars that Hyundai service folks have this tendency to rubbish your issues. They seem to have honed their skills in making things look perfectly fine even when they are in dire strait. Sad!

Out of topic - I'm considering selling my Grand and getting something, well, less demanding. So went down to Honda dealership in Moti Nagar to check new Amaze. Heck I was shocked to see the build quality which SUCKS! My 3 year old son's battery operated plastic car feels more rigid..!! I don't understand. Honda was supposed to be Honda! Plus, there was no one to attend, they couldn't care less. Left. Disappointed. Next stop was Toyota dealership to check Etios. The staff was super excited to see me for some reason. I was immediately attended to and the Sales guy answered my queries with utmost importance and honesty. I was very impressed. Took a test drive and came out happy with the build quality and petrol engine performance but the interior design was a big let down. They evaluated my car and quoted 4 lakhs which is pretty low. Almost 2.5 lakh depreciation in less than a year..!

Anyway, back to the discussion, I realise that taking extended warranty is a must with Hyundai. My car is not even a year old and I have had just too many visits to HASS which I never expected. In fact 'superior' quality, ironically, was one of many reasons we opted for Hyundai rather than the likes of Tata n Maruti.
 
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Hi All,
I am also hearing the Tak sound while releasing the clutch. Any suggestions?
Hi Manoj

Couple of things you would have to consider -

1. So far, it seems to be their design failure. Hyundai may/may not know this but they wouldn't acknowledge it.

2. HASS folks, in all likeliness, would give you hard time on this. Not on the quality but on identifying the noise. And when they do hear it, they would try and declare it 'normal'. So be assertive and tell them that you need it to be fixed.

3. But it is difficult to fix it. Even when my car's entire clutch assembly was opened, HASS couldn't find any apparent reason for the noise. But the noise had gone when they put the clutch back.! The noise, however, came back after a few days. Now the car's clutch pressure plates have been replaced and the noise has disappeared again. It might come back again though..

I'm not an expert and the pointers are based on my recent experience with the issue. Hope it works out for you. Please keep us updated.

Regards
 
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i was having some issues with the gear not going in the slot properly, specially in 1st gear. so went to HASS on Saturday and the guy just turned the clutch cable and the gear goes in like a brand new car. he said that there was too much play so he adjusted the cable. but after this, i am also feeling that the car is running bit differently, pick up seems to become faster. not sure if this is because of the clutch cable adjustment and if it will affect my fuel efficiency.
 
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