Ford EcoSport Facelift 2018 Launched in India (Coverage Pg: 34)


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eagerly waiting for this new vehicle, having a xcent but having regular issues with it. hopefully they launch in sept and start delivery in nov-dec. totally love the interior and the new face.

i just worried about 3cyl engine vibrations, hope they have refined and tested it thoroughly.
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Have you tested the current gen Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost?
I not try one, the new 1.5l Dragon i3 too will feel same
 
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Have you tested the current gen Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost?
I not try one, the new 1.5l Dragon i3 too will feel same
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i tried to get the TD for ecoboost but got to know that none of the ford dealers in mumbai have ecoboost ecosport available for TD. not sure if it was available before or if this is some company policy to pull back ecoboost from dealers given that updated car is due to launch soon. STRANGE.

so after Tata Nexon, even Renault is ready with Captur to be coming before this year end. only Ford is pending to make any official statement on Ecosport update.

Captur: Renault announces launch of Captur in India this year, Auto News, ET Auto
 
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3 cylinder cars always feel incomplete imho
Nothing beats a good NA
Unless its a powerhouse like 1.4 Multi Air, 1.5 VTEC Turbo which dont compromise on engine capacity and cylinders in exchange for turbo and give it a turbo without any loss
 
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i tried to get the TD for ecoboost but got to know that none of the ford dealers in mumbai have ecoboost ecosport available for TD. not sure if it was available before or if this is some company policy to pull back ecoboost from dealers given that updated car is due to launch soon. STRANGE.

so after Tata Nexon, even Renault is ready with Captur to be coming before this year end. only Ford is pending to make any official statement on Ecosport update.

Captur: Renault announces launch of Captur in India this year, Auto News, ET Auto
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Yes Ford is tight lipped as the current stock is something they have to deal with without incurring much losses , a lot of fuzz can definitely make a lot of customers wait for new Ecosport making older ones sell for poor value, so its quiet natural a company like Ford which has just under 3% market share in India being tight lipped about a new product, as each new car made in factory needs to sell for them to reach target.

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3 cylinder cars always feel incomplete imho
Nothing beats a good NA
Unless its a powerhouse like 1.4 Multi Air, 1.5 VTEC Turbo which dont compromise on engine capacity and cylinders in exchange for turbo and give it a turbo without any loss
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I guess @kkn13 havent read the Brazilian reviews of Ecosport 1.5l i3 Petrol AT vs BRV 1.5l i4 iVTEC ,
See the thing is low on cylinder count dosent mean more latency to make power, although low on cylinder each cylinder of new 1.5l dragon motor is larger ie with 1.5l TiVCT i4 each cylinder is 375 cc approx, with 1.5l i3 each cylinder is 500 cc approx,
Now lets put that into perspective, Fords 3.3l V6 in new F series makes 288 HP and 345 NM, and each cylinder is 550 cc, so in short the new 1.5l i3 although small in cylinder counts will behave more like a 1/2 piece 3.3 V6, ie why it makes 130 HP and 154 NM in Brazilian spec, for India its de tuned because of Octane count and fuel quality to 123 HP and 147 NM
And most reviews say this as well, apart from being slightly jerky while on start up and when at higher revs ie post 6000 rpm, one would never realize whether its an i4 or i3 under the hood, even the current gen 1.0 ecoboost Ecosport is so smooth that one will find it difficult to make out if its a 3 cylinder, and I dont think Ford wont 6 international engine of year awards for the 1.0 ecoboost for no reason , the refinement is incredible for such a small block with a fairly large turbo strapped on to it.
 
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Im not talking performance, 3 cylinder engines feel more crude, unrefined and missing something

1.0 Ecoboost did feel sluggish compared to older 1.5 , only advantage is fuel economy

Ecoboost is more of a fuel economy thing though they did get good performance out of it
See this link from this very forum-
http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...osport-petrol-diesel-what-should-you-buy.html
 
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I strongly disagree with KKN13, now way is 1.0 Ecoboost sluggish, expect in 2nd gear 0-5kph, in all other regimes is out powers almost all cars on Indian roads, overtaking on Highways even narrow ones is much easier, it is a gem off an engine. During Test drives, due to the Weight of Ecosport and its relatively good 205 section tyres it is not as unstable as say my relatives Honda city so many times occupants dont have the feeling of speed.

The car or the engine are not noisy, some of my relatives when they drive I need to tell them to upshift when without realizing they are 50kmph in 2nd gear. The engine does not feel unrefined or rough.

But for driver like me who likes to keep changing gears (in fact ICE is mostly useless for me) it gives me a lot of pleasure.
 
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Honda City is in no way unstable, Ive done pretty high speeds on mine and its always felt solid given the aerodynamic design , no roll ,low CG

Ecoboost is sluggish and requires frequent downshifts as mentioned in the link I posted
It likes open roads, similar to VW engines and doesnt like city conditions much

After years of the 1.5 IVTEC , I can safely say its the better all rounder of the two
 
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We can both agree to disagree, to each his own but after having driven my Father, FIL ex Honda city 1.5 Vtec- which is an excellent engine no doubt and gives a lot of pleasure, I personally like the 1.0 Ecoboost.
 
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We can both agree to disagree, to each his own but after having driven my Father, FIL ex Honda city 1.5 Vtec- which is an excellent engine no doubt and gives a lot of pleasure, I personally like the 1.0 Ecoboost.
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I guess we can agree both are excellent cars and engines in their own respect [;)][:)]
 
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I guess we can agree both are excellent cars and engines in their own respect [;)][:)]
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1 major point to disagree again,
See drive a Honda BRV 1.5 iVTEC and the Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost back to back,
Its a much better comparison than you would think because City is light at 1109 kg and is lower to ground and has puny 175 section tires

I havent driven BRV 1.5 iVTEC but from those who have driven it its just as sluggish as the Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost is specially when car has 2 or more on board and on highway there is no comparison the 1.0 ecoboost Ecosport kills the Honda 1.5 iVTEC BRV, the 1.0 ecoboost is a turbo charged engine, so if its a VW or Ford or Maruti booster jet it will feel sluggish at certain rpm before boost comes up.
The Ecosport is nearly 130 kg heavier at 1240 kg and has wider 205 section tires and a CD of just 0.355 as opposed to 0.339 of Honda City, so City is more aerodynamic as well so a City iVTEC will feel more peppy as simple as that, but not a BRV despite having 1.5l iVTEC and same kerb weight of around 1240 kg
 
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Hi guys i have news from a source that it is launching in october not before that as it was a rumour in media that it is launching on 15th sep.
 
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1 major point to disagree again,
See drive a Honda BRV 1.5 iVTEC and the Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost back to back,
Its a much better comparison than you would think because City is light at 1109 kg and is lower to ground and has puny 175 section tires

I havent driven BRV 1.5 iVTEC but from those who have driven it its just as sluggish as the Ecosport 1.0 ecoboost is specially when car has 2 or more on board and on highway there is no comparison the 1.0 ecoboost Ecosport kills the Honda 1.5 iVTEC BRV, the 1.0 ecoboost is a turbo charged engine, so if its a VW or Ford or Maruti booster jet it will feel sluggish at certain rpm before boost comes up.
The Ecosport is nearly 130 kg heavier at 1240 kg and has wider 205 section tires and a CD of just 0.355 as opposed to 0.339 of Honda City, so City is more aerodynamic as well so a City iVTEC will feel more peppy as simple as that, but not a BRV despite having 1.5l iVTEC and same kerb weight of around 1240 kg
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BRV is a horrible platform- Brio based
City is a much more aerodynamic platform being derived from Civic platform
Honda City enthusiasts always upsize tyres to 185 or 195

BRV and ecosport comparison is fairly invalid , BRV is not at all sporty to drive unlike the City and Ecosport plus BRV has the extra row of seats as well

A proper example is also between Ecosport 1.5 and City 1.5, City absolutely beats it despite same engine capacity
Im not saying Ecoboost 1.0 is bad, its much better than the 1.5 in my eyes but the 3 cylinder and loss in displacement makes itself very apparent in city traffic and needs constant gear changes
No amount of turbo is gonna change that

This is the very reason why Ecoboost cars in the US are cheaper and optional, a lot of people still go for the larger engine despite having same power figures over the Ecoboost

Even Jaguar F Type is a good example of this
 
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My personal experience with City is not that great in terms of ride quality, build, CVT experience and over all experience with the car. I did not have any niggles or issues with City. But somehow it does not feel like 15 Laks car. I am waiting to replace that with Ecosport AT. I wanted to replace with current gen Ecosport, delayed due to reliability issues of dual clutch AT. If facelifted Ecosport is coming up with regular 6-speed torque converter auto transmission (looks like high probability), then my City's days (even though it is just 1 year old) are numbered. One lesson I learned in City purchase is never go by hype, sales numbers and expert reviews. Even service experience with Ford is top notch compared to Honda service which is annoying 6 months once and dealer trying to fleece with unwanted inclusions. I also feel experts who do reviews should drive every car for 10 kilometers in city bumper to bumper traffic (including some steep slopes in bumper to bumper scenarios). Most of the people do reviews on open express highways and beautiful goa beach roads :-). Most people drive cars in regular traffic and need inputs on car behavior in those scenarios vs 20% of the high way drives.
City trumps every car in terms of space it offers (even my new Elantra cannot match) and reliability. Ford should work on the reliability and sort out small small niggles.
 
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BRV is a horrible platform- Brio based
City is a much more aerodynamic platform being derived from Civic platform
Honda City enthusiasts always upsize tyres to 185 or 195

BRV and ecosport comparison is fairly invalid , BRV is not at all sporty to drive unlike the City and Ecosport plus BRV has the extra row of seats as well

A proper example is also between Ecosport 1.5 and City 1.5, City absolutely beats it despite same engine capacity
Im not saying Ecoboost 1.0 is bad, its much better than the 1.5 in my eyes but the 3 cylinder and loss in displacement makes itself very apparent in city traffic and needs constant gear changes
No amount of turbo is gonna change that

This is the very reason why Ecoboost cars in the US are cheaper and optional, a lot of people still go for the larger engine despite having same power figures over the Ecoboost

Even Jaguar F Type is a good example of this
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I havent heard such a weird explanation[lol]

See who cares which platform BRV is derived from, if Ford had derived Ecosport from Ford Global C ie Focus platform the comparison would be fair according to @kkn13, the Ecosport is based on global B ie the Fiesta platform ie the platform that fights with Jazz,Micra,Hyundai i20,Maruti baleno,VW Polo etc based platforms

The Ecosport platform is derived from Fords B Platform, same way the Brio platform is Hondas cheapest platform just like fords cheapest platform globally is its B platform, as of now Ford has even cheaper platform based on its global B platform ie the B500, B562,(563,563E under development), so the Ecosport vs brio based BRV is absolutely valid and easily them ost valid comparison and the City vs Ecosport comparison is the most invalid of all comparisons logically and even objectively and subjectively
because
City-> Derived from Hondas D sedan based Civic
Ecosport-> Derived from Fords B hatch back based Fiesta

City
Its sedan
Its way more lighter so any KID should know that a lighter car will have higher power to weight ratio
Its got better CD as its more aerodynamic
puny 175 mm tires for big advertised mileage

Ecosport
Its a compact SUV and actually one with a sub frame to add AWD which few other mainstream compact SUV as of now holds except maybe the upcoming Renault Captur, Creta, current gen Duster, not the Brezza nor KUV100,
Again all this means Ecosport is 1246 kg with 1.5 petrol and MT while City is just 1109 kg over 130 kg heavier means if you want to directly compare Ecosport 1.5 petrol vs Honda City 1.5l iVTEC, 1st you have to load the City with 2 extra people other than driver and then compare performance with Ecosport that has just driver alone, other wise it is most stupid and unfair comparison
Even hence its not fair as Ecosport has to push its beefy front portion against air while the slich front of City will pierce through air much better so again no comparison
Then the 175 vs 205 section tires, I mean its 3 cm more contact per side means its 6 mm more contact patch, how on earth will the Ecosport be able to push fast straight with that much more rubber on ground? with that extra rubber Ecosports straight line pace and power definitely will take a toll but at the benefit of lateral grip and Control


So if there is some common sense, in comparing something from Honda stable with Ecosport it has to be between Ecosport and BRV/WRV
 
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