Blue Oval: The Ford Motor Company. Your Likes & Dislikes?

[rahulgupta3101]

for the Ford Fiesta Stile Diesel I got a discount of 1.5 Lakhs and another rs. 12000 as loyalty bonus. so the OTR price is 9.35. since this deal is a perfect i cant able to leave it. and also test droved the fiesta many number of times it really satisfied my needs and i selected it. i will create a thread for my new beauty as soon as possible.

That is whooping discount man!

Waiting for your ownership review. Please pour in lot of pics!!

 

[1989rs500]

Hmm I dont think thats the real problem the real problem comes from the AC Ford uses worlds best AC compressors for any B segment car to be rivaled , in city the AC has to work really hard to keep cabin cool for that the fuel is used more than usual, further more there is the kerb weight, when the car needs a push,in a Fiesta sedan or hatch it needs to pull just below 1150kg but for Ecosport 1246 kg is minimum and there we will use more throttle in Ecosport and more first gear than usual, 1st gear is plainly for torque and sucks fuel, If we are happy to drive without AC in city, I think Ecosport with Ecoboost will manage more than 10 kmpl in city easily and it will feel tad more powerful as well
About TIVCT the torque produced by the engine is much lower and there is more displacement and more air intake to play with so the injectors can adjust the rate of injection as needed, if someone has 1.5 TIVCT manual if we are making a 1st gear to 2nd gear shift we will see the revv limited drop from say 3000 to 1000 or 1500 rpm just after shift unlike Korean and Japanese NA engines which will stay above 1800 rpm even after the shift, this is the TIVCT playing its part by reducing injection and saving the power created in 1 st gear to 2nd gear but still it cant match the ecoboosts torque generated so even though 1.5 TiVct is more efficient its no way a match to ecoboost power
The Fiesta sedan with 1.0 ecoboost might get released in India by 2014 December and thats one to watch for as in USA the mpg they got is 45 highway 32 city thats 19.125 kmpl highway and 13.6 kmpl city, sure its going to drop to around 11 kmpl in City and 17-18 highway here in India(real world) but I think Fiesta will deliver more consistent economy with ecoboost than Ecosport.

even i read it some forums that it will be launched only by the mid of 2014. one year is bit a long time so i got a new fiesta stile diesel variant. i got it on 31st oct with a huge discount. im enjoying the ride now.

Wow 9.35 lakh Onroad, thats great well looking forward for your ownership reviews

 

[rahulgupta3101]

Hmm I dont think thats the real problem the real problem comes from the AC Ford uses worlds best AC compressors for any B segment car to be rivaled , in city the AC has to work really hard to keep cabin cool for that the fuel is used more than usual, further more there is the kerb weight, when the car needs a push,in a Fiesta sedan or hatch it needs to pull just below 1150kg but for Ecosport 1246 kg is minimum and there we will use more throttle in Ecosport and more first gear than usual, 1st gear is plainly for torque and sucks fuel, If we are happy to drive without AC in city, I think Ecosport with Ecoboost will manage more than 10 kmpl in city easily and it will feel tad more powerful as well
About TIVCT the torque produced by the engine is much lower and there is more displacement and more air intake to play with so the injectors can adjust the rate of injection as needed, if someone has 1.5 TIVCT manual if we are making a 1st gear to 2nd gear shift we will see the revv limited drop from say 3000 to 1000 or 1500 rpm just after shift unlike Korean and Japanese NA engines which will stay above 1800 rpm even after the shift, this is the TIVCT playing its part by reducing injection and saving the power created in 1 st gear to 2nd gear but still it cant match the ecoboosts torque generated so even though 1.5 TiVct is more efficient its no way a match to ecoboost power

hey 1989,

Lets see some basics here. Laws of Physics says that a 999 cc motor will consume less fuel than a 1500 cc unit in each engine cycle.Now, I agree we have one turbocharged one and the other is a NA.Still, Physics can't be changed.

Coming to AC's, they make a difference of 1-2 kmpl, so can be ignored while comparing engine efficiency as the compressor must be of the same rating in both.

 

[1989rs500]

hey 1989,

Lets see some basics here. Laws of Physics says that a 999 cc motor will consume less fuel than a 1500 cc unit in each engine cycle.Now, I agree we have one turbocharged one and the other is a NA.Still, Physics can't be changed.

Coming to AC's, they make a difference of 1-2 kmpl, so can be ignored while comparing engine efficiency as the compressor must be of the same rating in both.

See all difference is in TIVCT thats a technology incorporated into Ford NA engine thats so brilliant that it can easily control how much fuel to be injected per cycle, also The power produced by 1.5 TIVCT is very low compared to ecoboost so that says it all again laws of physics cant be changed less power more efficient, Ecoboost is all about POWER and TORQUE , Direct Injection and Turbo Charging, 1.5 TIVCT is purely for mileage
Ford actually tells the mileage of ecoboost when coasting at 60 mph or 96 kmph to go beyond 18 kmpl which the 1.5 tivct cant do that easily
Another major player here is the gearing,I am pretty sure that Ford could have used better gear ratios in Ecosport,a shorter gear ratio might have had less highway mileage number but better city number, The Ford Focus 1.0 ecoboost in UK achieves about 12-13 kmpl in city and around 17-18 kmpl in highway, it too has about 1280 kg kerb weight but better gearing than the one in Ecosport,I hope Fiesta Ecoboost too to have better gearing other wise its going to be a flop, Turbo lag is a very bad character of engine, how much it is pronounced that worse is the engine in performance and mileage and it solely depends on engine tuning as well as gear ratios.

 

[rahulgupta3101]

See all difference is in TIVCT thats a technology incorporated into Ford NA engine thats so brilliant that it can easily control how much fuel to be injected per cycle, also The power produced by 1.5 TIVCT is very low compared to ecoboost so that says it all again laws of physics cant be changed less power more efficient, Ecoboost is all about POWER and TORQUE , Direct Injection and Turbo Charging, 1.5 TIVCT is purely for mileage

Yes, that is what I'm trying to explain you.You are right when you say power of 1.5L is less compared to 1.0, but at the same time one will not be hitting the trubo rev-band every time and even so less in city driving.Hence, in those conditions 1.0L could be more efficient.

Now, lets wait for the numbers from some owners themselves and then we can discuss further!!

 

[1989rs500]

Yes, that is what I'm trying to explain you.You are right when you say power of 1.5L is less compared to 1.0, but at the same time one will not be hitting the trubo rev-band every time and even so less in city driving.Hence, in those conditions 1.0L could be more efficient.

Now, lets wait for the numbers from some owners themselves and then we can discuss further!!

See actually Ecosports turbo band is from 1400-4500 rpm the widest band as well, but for Indian version they might have tuned the turbo to come late say by 1800 rpm for fuel economy gains at highway but that dosent mean turbo is OFF until 1800 rpm, turbo spools up the air fuel mixture but dosent burn them efficiently till 1800 rpm, once the turbo is on @1800 rpm the boost pressure stimulates further burning and instant wave of torque will be developed, at about 2000 rpm full 170 NM will be developed,by 1800 maybe just 140 NM will be on tap and below that, that is the 1400-1800 range is really the wastage part here the engine will use more petrol than usual but dosent burn effectively fully due to the tuning of engine for turbo to come late,
The same phenomenon happens in Ford Fiesta 2012 as well, the fiesta has huge turbo lag below 2000 rpm, but same engine in Ecosport has very less turbo lag compared to Fiesta 2012 and even after being 120 kg heavier than Fiesta sedan Ecosport reaches 100 kmph almost in the same time, New Fiesta 0-100 kmph 13.33 s and Ecosport 13.76 s, so it fully depends on how the engine and its turbo zone is tuned, actually according to me Ford has messed up with Ecosport ecoboost tuning, they could have done much better by spooling turbo @1400 and boosting it to full force by just 1500 rpm like in Focus 1.0 ecoboost and Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost in Europe, but to get a big ARAI number in highway Ford might have done this to the Engine of the year

 

[rahulgupta3101]

See actually Ecosports turbo band is from 1400-4500 rpm the widest band as well, but for Indian version they might have tuned the turbo to come late say by 1800 rpm for fuel economy gains at highway but that dosent mean turbo is OFF until 1800 rpm, turbo spools up the air fuel mixture but dosent burn them efficiently till 1800 rpm, once the turbo is on @1800 rpm the boost pressure stimulates further burning and instant wave of torque will be developed, at about 2000 rpm full 170 NM will be developed,by 1800 maybe just 140 NM will be on tap and below that, that is the 1400-1800 range is really the wastage part here the engine will use more petrol than usual but dosent burn effectively fully due to the tuning of engine for turbo to come late,
The same phenomenon happens in Ford Fiesta 2012 as well, the fiesta has huge turbo lag below 2000 rpm, but same engine in Ecosport has very less turbo lag compared to Fiesta 2012 and even after being 120 kg heavier than Fiesta sedan Ecosport reaches 100 kmph almost in the same time, New Fiesta 0-100 kmph 13.33 s and Ecosport 13.76 s, so it fully depends on how the engine and its turbo zone is tuned, actually according to me Ford has messed up with Ecosport ecoboost tuning, they could have done much better by spooling turbo @1400 and boosting it to full force by just 1500 rpm like in Focus 1.0 ecoboost and Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost in Europe, but to get a big ARAI number in highway Ford might have done this to the Engine of the year

I think you have a valid point here. But, the reason for not tuning the engine to kick-in turbocharger at say1400 rpm is to improve driveability.As suppose, in traffic conditions, suddenly the turbo kicks in at slightest of touch on the accelarator pedal, might pose a risk!

In EU nations, we can have that as already present due to different traffic scenarios and infrastructure prevailing.

 

[1989rs500]

I think you have a valid point here. But, the reason for not tuning the engine to kick-in turbocharger at say1400 rpm is to improve driveability.As suppose, in traffic conditions, suddenly the turbo kicks in at slightest of touch on the accelarator pedal, might pose a risk!

In EU nations, we can have that as already present due to different traffic scenarios and infrastructure prevailing.

That could be a true reason, but even still the new tuning is not making much effect as a accomplished performer nor frugal one, The mileage is still staying below 10 kmpl in most ecoboost cars and the claimed mileage in an Indian city is a dream come true as of now, So I think with 2015 Ecosport facelift they will change the tuning to the Euro tune,so atleast Ecoboost remains as a POWER choice

 

[rahulgupta3101]

That could be a true reason, but even still the new tuning is not making much effect as a accomplished performer nor frugal one, The mileage is still staying below 10 kmpl in most ecoboost cars and the claimed mileage in an Indian city is a dream come true as of now, So I think with 2015 Ecosport facelift they will change the tuning to the Euro tune,so atleast Ecoboost remains as a POWER choice

Ohh friend, ES has just arrived and has put the sales chart on fire!

Ford will focus on getting other products right like the new Fiesta , then the completely new Figo and another entry level sedan to replace Fiesta classic.New Endy is also on the cards.

So, ES upgrade do not seem to be visible till 2015!

 

[1989rs500]

Ohh friend, ES has just arrived and has put the sales chart on fire!

Ford will focus on getting other products right like the new Fiesta , then the completely new Figo and another entry level sedan to replace Fiesta classic.New Endy is also on the cards.

So, ES upgrade do not seem to be visible till 2015!

Yes the same thoughts here too, Also Ford is going to export SUV s from India to Australia,Thailand,Malaysia etc seems they are trying to make India an export hub and India a VFM market, all those B segment cars coming is a good sign of strengthening the basics, if B segment is strong then C,D segments will get stronger eventually, seems Ford is working in a long term strategy for India
They have already closed 3 plants in Europe and those were 3 big plants more than 1.5 lakh vehicles produced annually in those and now Ford has reported a 55% increase in market share in China with the new Focus and Ecosport launch in China.
So I think they are shifting their mainstream focus from Europe to Asia, so It will take time to bring all the Euro goodies to India, until then we will have some VFM Ford s on our showrooms
Sanand plant in Gujarat will be operational by 2014 February with capacity of 1 lakh engines and in China a massive plant with more than 2 lakh production capacity annually, so Europe is shifted directly into Asia
I hope by 2020 I will be a be to see a Mustang on a Ford showroom

 

[rahulgupta3101]

Yes the same thoughts here too, Also Ford is going to export SUV s from India to Australia,Thailand,Malaysia etc seems they are trying to make India an export hub and India a VFM market, all those B segment cars coming is a good sign of strengthening the basics.....

I hope by 2020 I will be a be to see a Mustang on a Ford showroom

Yes for sure!! I sincerely hope that too!

The sight of a "Mustang" in an Indian Ford showroom would be amazing to say the least.Of course, by then, the infrastructure and moreover our driving habbits get matured so as to handle those machines.

 

[1989rs500]

Yes for sure!! I sincerely hope that too!

The sight of a "Mustang" in an Indian Ford showroom would be amazing to say the least.Of course, by then, the infrastructure and moreover our driving habbits get matured so as to handle those machines.

Sure Ford has plans for releasing Mustang globally but whats to be known is its probability in China and India, hoping for a 5.0 fire breather to make it to India by 2020 at least
Which variant have you opted for Ecosport, diesel or petrol?

 

[rahulgupta3101]

Sure Ford has plans for releasing Mustang globally but whats to be known is its probability in China and India, hoping for a 5.0 fire breather to make it to India by 2020 at least
Which variant have you opted for Ecosport, diesel or petrol?

Yep, that is one cracker of an engine!

Our's is a diesel one!

 

[1989rs500]

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[1989rs500]

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