Android v/s Windows !

[nitin_k]

M$ has enough moolah to keep it afloat but the brand nokia is down and out. but its a big win for M$ to get nokia for so cheap.

Microsoft paid $8.5b for Skype, Google paid $12.4b for Motorola and see what it paid for Nokia.

After almost three years with WP and millions of advertising $$ they achieved 3% market share, had one dedicated manufacturer which they now will KILL.

To make it even worse, M$ ties itself up in a nonsense OS like RT which further divides resources and developers. WP and RT combined cost everybody involved more money than what M$ makes from licensing IP's to Android makers.

he was supposed to say developers 587 times, makes no sense without those last two

Steve Ballmer - Developers - YouTube

 

[Raja]

M$ has enough moolah to keep it afloat but the brand nokia is down and out. but its a big win for M$ to get nokia for so cheap.

Microsoft paid $8.5b for Skype, Google paid $12.4b for Motorola and see what it paid for Nokia.

After almost three years with WP and millions of advertising $$ they achieved 3% market share, had one dedicated manufacturer which they now will KILL.

To make it even worse, M$ ties itself up in a nonsense OS like RT which further divides resources and developers. WP and RT combined cost everybody involved more money than what M$ makes from licensing IP's to Android makers.
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Can you explain how this will kill the dedicated phone maker ? Infact the dedicated maker will get unlimited resources to devlop and invent on the hard ware front

i see another HP (webOS) and blackberry in the making.

Seriously ? Can you explain how ?

I see this move clearly as strengthening of Windows OS from Microsoft in the market and I hope the future of Nokia is in right hands

I was also going to post that.
Really, I didn't even think of that.
I don't know whether the current Lumia users will get an update anymore.
Or what?

Infact you will get better hardware and software support now . Since both are merged there will be no via route here .

It gives Microsoft the kind of end-to-end control in mobile that only Apple and BlackBerry have enjoyed (to varying success), and a critical measure of quality control.

Microsoft buys Nokia's devices unit in a $7.2 billion bid for its mobile future | The Verge

 

[Iron Rock]

It definitely strengthens Microsoft, Nokia comes with a whole host of IPs. I look forward to see Nokia shareholder reaction eventually on this.
What amazes me is the unprecedented scale of events starting with Elop's move to Nokia, Balmer's lately has gone terribly wrong and admittedly so - was the trojan horse his master stroke ? - this will amuse me for a long time.

And to be honest nobody can really predict what the outcome would be for us consumers, speculate yes we can continue to do that!

 

[Raja]

It definitely strengthens Microsoft, Nokia comes with a whole host of IPs. I look forward to see Nokia shareholder reaction eventually on this.
What amazes me is the unprecedented scale of events starting with Elop's move to Nokia, Balmer's lately has gone terribly wrong and admittedly so - was the trojan horse his master stroke ? - this will amuse me for a long time.

And to be honest nobody can really predict what the outcome would be for us consumers, speculate yes we can continue to do that!

As humans we have a habit to give a logical reasoning for every moment and event that occurs in our day to day life its part of our evolution . So its obvious to think Elop as a Trojan or whatever . The only baggage Elop has is that he worked in the " office " department of Microsoft in his past .

Its like calling Karl slym is a mole of GM sent in Tata motors incase tomorrow GM and Tata join hands or GM acquires some part of Tata motors . Its easy and logical explanation which the mind comes with. Because the mind likes a perpetual story to believe and follow and inherently we are not wired to believe in randomness .

So Elop being a mole or not is same as not coming to a conclusion whether Godse killed Gandhi was correct or wrong . It depends which thought of thinking you believe , which you feel aligns with your belief system your biases .

Like you correctly said Elop joined Nokia and later on the things moved to a place were they are now .

First and foremost Nokia was already in doldrums before Elop joined , Symbian was going no were and Meego platform was not going to attract any developers instantly and developing it to a extent were developers would have become interested would have been a very expensive affair .

Nokia not going android route was it would have been another player in a market with no special treatment from Google , plus development remains again Nokia's responsibility .

Microsoft came with a offer were they were giving money to Nokia to make phones running on WP.

What Nokia was doing so far was invent camera tech and hardware designs and save on software development .

All remains the same now its just that Microsoft doesn't have to pay Nokia any quarterly money as they bought the device department of Nokia . It means that its one unit making hardware and software officially now under the Microsoft banner .

Its like they were courting for past 2 years and now decided they are compatible and can get married officially .

And although we belive we can predict things , life is full of non linear and random stuff . So I agree with you wait and see what happens and how it unfolds from here .

And its just the device unit of Nokia which is bought by Microsoft which was in loss not the entire Nokia corporation .

 

[Iron Rock]

^^ Sir the optimist will say glass is half full, the pessimist will say its half empty and both will claim to be realist . Ill just drink the water and stay alive rather.
Nobody can claim to to know the reality unless we see Elops or Balmer's autobiography down the line. It would be fun to read it for sure.
Btw Elop was always a top candidate at MS for the CEO position, he was not a small fish really!

Btw Nokia coporation has been in loss atleast last 2 years i guess, may be some profitable quarters or geos at the most - are you referring to subsidiaries rather like Navteq or NSN - i wonder whose making money at Nokia consistently ? I was in touch with their folks long back but not aware of their numbers in recent times.

 

[Raja]

^^ Sir the optimist will say glass is half full, the pessimist will say its half empty and both will claim to be realist . Ill just drink the water and stay alive rather.
Nobody can claim to to know the reality unless we see Elops or Balmer's autobiography down the line. It would be fun to read it for sure.
Btw Elop was always a top candidate at MS for the CEO position, he was not a small fish really!

Btw Nokia coporation has been in loss atleast last 2 years i guess, may be some profitable quarters or geos at the most - are you referring to subsidiaries rather like Navteq or NSN - i wonder whose making money at Nokia consistently ? I was in touch with their folks long back but not aware of their numbers in recent times.

Rightly said +100 .

NSN makes money and good money and its still part of nokia , infact Microsoft will be paying nokia to use that service .

What has gone with Microsoft is just the device part of nokia which was anyway making windows phone so what was unofficial is official now .

Microsoft in one shot got a huge huge market the asha market and the lumia market and the entire market network worldwide in their hand along with some powerful patents .

So if you see they have become now a very dominant force as comparable to apple suddenly in smart phone market with a ready maket created by brand nokia .

Exciting time to watch and see how it all goes .

 

[Raja]

Steve Ballmer today sent an email to Microsoft employees on the acquisition of Nokia. He also detailed how they are going to integrate Nokia and its employees within Microsoft.

Read it below.

1. Stephen Elop will be coming back to Microsoft, and he will lead an expanded Devices team, which includes all of our current Devices and Studios work and most of the teams coming over from Nokia, reporting to me.
2. Julie Larson-Green will continue to run the Devices and Studios team, and will be focused on the big launches this fall including Xbox One and our Surface enhancements. Julie will be joining Stephen’s team once the acquisition closes, and will work with him to shape the new organization.
3. As part of the acquisition, a number of key engineering leaders will be joining Microsoft from Nokia, reporting to Stephen in his new capacity:
· Jo Harlow, who will continue to lead the Smart Devices team
· Timo Toikkanen, who will continue to lead the Mobile Phones team
· Stefan Pannenbecker, who will lead Design
· Juha Putkiranta, who will lead the integration effort on Nokia’s behalf
4. Regarding the sales team, we plan to keep the Nokia field team, led by Chris Weber, intact and as the nexus of the devices sales effort, so that we can continue to build sales momentum. After the deal closes, Chris and his team will be placed under Kevin Turner. We will develop a single integrated team that is selling to operators, and there may be other integration opportunities that we can pursue. Kevin will work with Chris Weber and Chris Capossela to make those plans.
5. Our operating system team under Terry Myerson will continue unchanged, with a mission of supporting both first-party and third-party hardware innovation. We are committed to working with partners, helping them build great products and great businesses on our platform, and we believe this deal will increase our partner value proposition over time. The established rhythms and ways of working between Terry and his team and the incoming Nokia team will serve us well to ensure that we do not disrupt our building momentum.
6. We are planning to integrate all global marketing under Tami Reller and Mark Penn. It is very important that we pursue a unified brand and advertising strategy as soon as possible.
7. Finance, Legal, HR, Communications, DX / Evangelism, Customer Care and Business Development will integrate functionally at Microsoft. Sourcing, customer logistics and supply chain will be part of Stephen’s Devices organization. ICM / IT will also integrate functionally for traditional IT roles. We will need to work through the implications for factory systems given the differing manufacturing processes and systems at both Nokia and Microsoft.
8. We plan to pursue a single set of supporting services for our devices, and we will figure out how to combine the great Nokia efforts into our Microsoft services as we go through the integration process.
9. There are no significant plans to shift where work is done in the world as we integrate, so we expect the Nokia teams to stay largely in place, geographically.
10. Tom Gibbons will lead the integration work for Microsoft.
Steve Ballmer Details How They Are Approaching Integration Between Microsoft And Nokia | WMPoweruser

 

[nitin_k]

Can you explain how this will kill the dedicated phone maker ? Infact the dedicated maker will get unlimited resources to devlop and invent on the hard ware front





Seriously ? Can you explain how ?




Infact you will get better hardware and software support now . Since both are merged there will be no via route here .

the acquisition will leave Microsoft as the sole maker of Windows Phones. The speed at which M$/Nokia can develop new smartphones, improve the underlying OS and get developers to create more apps will be key to the future success of Windows OS.

ios got the advantage of being the first, its still reaping the benefits of innovation but the numbers are dwindling. lets see what 5S and 5C bring forth.

android is popular and such a success 'coz of different handset manufacturers are giving something different and offering innovation wherein the ultimate customer gets choice and value for money and style and substance and a smartphone which delivers.

for a platform to succeed you need various vendors making the phones. only one nokia will be buried in the dust sooner than later.

 

[Raja]

the acquisition will leave Microsoft as the sole maker of Windows Phones. The speed at which M$/Nokia can develop new smartphones, improve the underlying OS and get developers to create more apps will be key to the future success of Windows OS.

ios got the advantage of being the first, its still reaping the benefits of innovation but the numbers are dwindling. lets see what 5S and 5C bring forth.

android is popular and such a success 'coz of different handset manufacturers are giving something different and offering innovation wherein the ultimate customer gets choice and value for money and style and substance and a smartphone which delivers.

for a platform to succeed you need various vendors making the phones. only one nokia will be buried in the dust sooner than later.

Sorry but market dynamics are very unpredictable . Nokia before was a king and now ? And in android no one is making any money other then samsung .

Android is popular because its cheap and free go in Hong Kong you will get 20$ phone also . Many even dont know what android version they are having on the phone .

And there is no hard and fast rule that only multiple manufacturers make a platform hit .

And its better to wait and see any distruption can change the tide .

 

[Gurrala74]

@Nitin

I am little confused here..

Are we talking about handset manufacturers OR operating systems here ??

Why Nokia opted to be sold to MS and why MS wanted to acquire Nokia is different story all together and is a business decision and both of them know about it. Again Samsung is a handset maker using a different platform like many others.

We need to examine how it will effect windows users if Nokia is bought by MS. Since Windows belongs to MS I feel there should be more innovations coming up from MS as they want their newly associated handsets business to flourish as a brand MS in overall, so it is not between two top executives of two companies who are not permanent to their positions, but MS and their OS matters a lot here.

So, if Android is hot in market, then MS people have to break their heads that how they can popularise their OS further in the mobile market and I am sure they must have not gone ahead with this step without any plans or reasons, so sofar windows users are happy and expect more from this new merger, hence let us wait and see what happens. As far as I am concerned I was a user of Nokia in good olden days and samsung in between and now again Lumia and tomorrow something else which ever attracts me

In the end " double sim thing is like a double DIN in a car" which is not mandatory for every user and is not a unique feature too

 

[nitin_k]

re we talking about handset manufacturers OR operating systems here ??

i am talking about both. the more handset manufacturers embrace W8 the more windows platform will benefit.

Why Nokia opted to be sold to MS and why MS wanted to acquire Nokia is different story all together and is a business decision and both of them know about it. Again Samsung is a handset maker using a different platform like many others.

nokia was making loses and the sales predictions are very bleak. and it wont take anyone rocket science to figure out why nokia let itself get sold.

We need to examine how it will effect windows users if Nokia is bought by MS. Since Windows belongs to MS I feel there should be more innovations coming up from MS as they want their newly associated handsets business to flourish as a brand MS in overall, so it is not between two top executives of two companies who are not permanent to their positions, but MS and their OS matters a lot here.

what else i am doing in my posts above. you guys have chosen a sinking ship :)

So, if Android is hot in market, then MS people have to break their heads that how they can popularise their OS further in the mobile market and I am sure they must have not gone ahead with this step without any plans or reasons,

ok

so sofar windows users are happy and expect more from this new merger, hence let us wait and see what happens. As far as I am concerned I was a user of Nokia in good olden days and samsung in between and now again Lumia and tomorrow something else which ever attracts me

you are happy does not mean all Windows phone users are happy. there is a life beyond the horizon. you make me repeat same sentences time and again :(

In the end " double sim thing is like a double DIN in a car" which is not mandatory for every user and is not a unique feature too

if its not a unique feature explain to me why none of lumias are dual sim. and again you make sweeping statements about user preferences and what feature public wants. please do some reading about the dual sim handset market in india.

i always said this and again repeat - nokia was and is all about the camera, take that away and you are left with a non existent apps market with a closed os from M$ which controls more and leaves you wanting for more.

 

[appus]

I definitely feel Microsoft got a good deal as Nokia showed at least some market presence in Smartphone segment (I am not talking about volumes). Talking from a normal person's view who does not worry much about Global sales :)

There was a time people do not even look at Nokia for smartphone segment. It was only Samsung s2/s3 , htc, etc. People were not at all bothering to check Nokia phones (smartphones).
Now, people are checking it and buying it than before. Is not that a +ve sign ?
Here people are talking about Nokia , lumia and even Windows 8 platform. People are talking about windows app store (yeah, much less apps ofcourse). Previously we did not even see much discussion about Nokia smartphones (or we believed that all were bad). Now, people are checking it, buying it, using it and some are happy about it.

I have mentioned this many times in many threads.
If a person who wants to use a smartphone for

Skype,
Viber,
Whatsapp,
email,
message,
Calls,
Clicking photos,
facebook,
twitter etc,
one would be even happy with a Lumia phone with windows8. In fact, they may be sometimes happier with a lag free environment even with a 512MB setup.

I do not play games much so i wont compare with the graphic chip etc.

I felt they came to dual-sim phones (entry level) much later. They later realized the important for a dual sim phone and they came with entry level ones. I do have x1-01.

I personally do not like dual sim phone where one sim gets 'not reachable' status when other is active. I heard the new samsung phones forward the call from one to another.

B5722 (Samsung) was best in that. You never get 'not reachable' or 'forwarding'. It just rings on both number at same time.

By the way, Samsung also tried Bada OS and failed to get going. They had to fall on android to get going.

Request : If a person wants to use the phone for the normal use mentioned earlier and do not want to root/play games, why to worry them by asking/saying 'you cant play games, you cant root it, you cant get this particular app' etc. They do not need it !

Here the main debate is with a person who is really a tech savvy and wanted to try everything with android / play high end games against few who just wanted to call/use skype/whatsapp/browsing/navigation etc.

Peace

 

[Raja]

I definitely feel Microsoft got a good deal as Nokia showed at least some market presence in Smartphone segment (I am not talking about volumes). Talking from a normal person's view who does not worry much about Global sales :)

There was a time people do not even look at Nokia for smartphone segment. It was only Samsung s2/s3 , htc, etc. People were not at all bothering to check Nokia phones (smartphones).
Now, people are checking it and buying it than before. Is not that a +ve sign ?
Here people are talking about Nokia , lumia and even Windows 8 platform. People are talking about windows app store (yeah, much less apps ofcourse). Previously we did not even see much discussion about Nokia smartphones (or we believed that all were bad). Now, people are checking it, buying it, using it and some are happy about it.

I have mentioned this many times in many threads.
If a person who wants to use a smartphone for

Skype,
Viber,
Whatsapp,
email,
message,
Calls,
Clicking photos,
facebook,
twitter etc,
one would be even happy with a Lumia phone with windows8. In fact, they may be sometimes happier with a lag free environment even with a 512MB setup.
Peace

+100
Exactly this something which unfortunately some people are not understanding . Its not that people are fooled to buy a windows phone . People like me or type-r , Gurralla and others had a choice of buying a android and yet we dint buy it . Because as per our requirements the wp8 suits us better .
Right now given a choice between a htc one and a lumia 1020 I will buy a 1020 because what android can do windows phone does it too , and what android does extra is something I don't need or want at this time .
iOS and wp8 users ( however smaller right now but growing ) worldwide are testimony to the fact that not all crave launchers , rooting and all that coustomization .

The most frequent apps I use are on iOS , android and wp8 too so what's a big deal ? So its clearly a choice and if some one is hell bent on proving that our choice is bad then its actually not difficult to prove that their choice is equally bad too

@ all

In couple of post above I had mentioned that nokia's NSN was making money , my statement came because I was only focussing their quarter to quarter results .

But after having some private message conversations with iron rock who suggested me to check their year on year basis reports I saw that they have incurred loses .
So iam correcting here .
Incase it was a misleading information from my side I sincerely ask for a apology as it came out of my focus on quarter to quarter results and not year on year basis .( a error from my side )

 

[nitin_k]

when i said nokia was history i mean it :)

need more proof

Furthermore, during a call to investors about the acquisition of Nokia, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said that he believes that Microsoft "can probably do better" than Nokia at naming new devices. "I will say that I think we can probably do better for consumer names than 'the Nokia Lumia Windows Phone 1020,' and yet because of where both companies are and the independent nature of the businesses, we haven't been able to shorten that. Just take that as a proxy for a range of improvements that we feel we can make. We can simplify the way in which we work with operators and the overall consumer branding and messaging gets much simpler. That is an efficiency of being one company."

source

Nokia might not been a progressive brand in the last few years but it is almost a generic brand and M$ has to be mad to kill it. Microsoft also tried rebranding hotmail to outlook and i have no idea if that was a success. People like me were born into email with Hotmail and re-branding it is not easy.
maybe that explains why the deal went cheap.


nokia is back to the symbian age!
:rip: nokia

Under the terms of Microsoft's $7.2 billion acquisition of Nokia's devices and services division, the "Asha" and "Lumia" trademarks will transfer to Redmond, but the "Nokia" mark will remain property of the Finnish company, and may only be used on featurephones running the basic Series 30 and Series 40 operating systems under a 10-year license agreement.

(Nokia itself is barred from using the Nokia brand on any mobile devices at all until December 31st, 2015.) :(

That means any future Windows Phones built by the newest division of Microsoft will be Microsoft-branded — and that Nokia has said its goodbyes to a smartphone market it once helped to create.

There will never be another Nokia smartphone | The Verge

 

[nitin_k]

Android 4.4 to be Named Kit Kat!




Sundar Pichai goes ahead and posts that image you see above, which was taken from Google HQ in Mountain View. We all thought that Android 5.0 is the next Android version, and we all THOUGHT we knew that the next name on the list of desserts was Key Lime Pie. Guess we all need to break off a piece of what is coming next




So if you check out the Android page in the link below, you will see that Kit Kat is indeed Android 4.4. They have teamed up with Kit Kat to give away free Nexus 7s, or Google PLay Store credits. Head over to the link below and see if you have won.
Google