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Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
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Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
I few days I got to sit in PAJERO SPORT during one of the Group meets/ OTR events. So I though to write a paragraph about Pajero and compare it with my XUV.
1. I enjoyed the Short and slow 1st gear. Very easy to take over obstacles.
2. Interior space is surprisingly less. Even though Pajero sport looks Bulky from outside, the jap engineers could not transform it into useable room. Infact, after sitting in XUV and coming directly into PS, the PS felt honestly Cramped. Esp middle row.
3. Dashboard in PS is high like fortuner. Some people may not like.
4. Water wading depth of 700mm, Very powerful engine. Need I say more about off roading capablitiles?
5. Despite having higher BHP, Highway manners stop it from being a speed demon compared to XUV.
6. Pajeros kept up Higher speeds in bad roads.
I few days I got to sit in PAJERO SPORT during one of the Group meets/ OTR events. So I though to write a paragraph about Pajero and compare it with my XUV.
1. I enjoyed the Short and slow 1st gear. Very easy to take over obstacles.
2. Interior space is surprisingly less. Even though Pajero sport looks Bulky from outside, the jap engineers could not transform it into useable room. Infact, after sitting in XUV and coming directly into PS, the PS felt honestly Cramped. Esp middle row.
3. Dashboard in PS is high like fortuner. Some people may not like.
4. Water wading depth of 700mm, Very powerful engine. Need I say more about off roading capablitiles?
5. Despite having higher BHP, Highway manners stop it from being a speed demon compared to XUV.
6. Pajeros kept up Higher speeds in bad roads.
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Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
Many of us were curious how XUV FWD fares with respect to Sofroading/ Trail driving. XUV is being pushed as a true blue SUV (Mahindra leaves no stone unturned for marketing, if they can call KUV as SUV then its their birthright to call XUV as one!) And many of us also accept it to be an SUV.
XUV has many Merits on the bright side. Extremely powerful engine. Wide tyres. Great suspension. But on the downside, the beast has no 4x4 Low range, Very poor GC, Very poor Water wading depth.
There are Many of us who want to take the beast to Ladakh, Bhutan etc (Me included) and were in for a jinkx if XUV could do it. So I thought about sitting down and jotting some personal observations about my recent OTR
So Lets clear the confusion, Shall we?
Terrain Encountered-
1. Loose sand, Not too deep though.
2. Sand with deep ruts (High center)
3. Slight Wet sand
4. Jungle trails with dirt, Thorns, Bushes, Sand
5. Dry lake beds (with dried & Cracked mud layers)
6. Unpaved inclines.
Tyres- Falken Wildpeak AT, Pressure at 32 PSI
Vehicle- XUV 500 2013, FWD, Stock.
1. Cheetah is the name, and cheetah loves to pounce!
The way XUV attacks in 1st gear can be a pro or con. In offroading, it was definitely the latter. 1st gear was too fast to be of any controlled crawling. If you think you can do those descents under engine braking? Nope. Its too fast and you will need clutch & Brakes on that one.
2. Cheetah has Enough power to “Shave” High centered sand or loose mud in Ruts. I don't know how many vehicles without 4L can actually do that. Thankfully no Underbody damage observed.
3. Uphill inclines, even steep ones where a pleasure. It could be a combination of AT tyres along with powerful engine, but XUV never did fail. People with road tyres will see a lot of wheelspin and probably damage the tyres too.
Its awesome how steep a hill can you climb with XUV. Try to experience. Just use a bit of momentum.
4. XUV went in flawlessly with a pack of Pajero Sports in Jungle trails. No fuss. No Punctures. Never felt unsafe.
5. XUV has a wider track and it itself is wider than pajero or Even pajero sport. So this will be an issue with overgrown Folage and thorny tracks. I had to be very careful on such patches and dropped speeds considerably.
6. XUV has high paint quality and there are zero scratches visible due to bush/Thorn/bamboo rubbing.
7. Water wading was always a weak point and made me nervous. XUV has offical water wading depth of only 350mm and GC of 180mm. Compared that to Pajero S has water wading depth of whooping 700mm and GC of over 200mm. In that case, I had to skip river crossing and enjoy the show by hopping into friendly cars. So People thinking to cross rivers in ladakh should be warned. High flowing rivers with anything over a knee deep water will be impossible.
XUV air intake is located under the left headlight, just begging for water ingress and hydro lock. Water could also destroy low lying Cat con, giving long term problems and expensive repair bills.
Having and AWD vehicle does not change this.
8. I must offer a Praise for Falken AT. They really are self cleaning. When in Sand, entire tyre was caked-in. But it still gripped well. And All caking fell of within minutes of joining kutchha roads. Also the tyres are super grippy in dry lake beds, Sands and inclines. Never let me down.
9. Never felt any Creaking, Rattling or odd noises from suspension when on unpaved section.
10. If you apply handbrake offroad (Eg. Light sand), XUV will go normally, Dragging rear wheels and you won't even notice it until you notice the dash. Amazing torque.
11. XUV has a very sensitive ESP and WILL NOT allow you to drive on the sand at all. So remember to turn off ESP BEFORE running into sand. Thankfully, you can also turn if off (IF forgotten) When gunning the throttle or when moving.
12. DO NOT park your XUV on Sand or mud. It will sink in and get stuck. Checking the footprints left by XUV vs other cars, one can make out how heavy it is.
13. Due to the very fast 1st gear as I mentioned above, I was emberassingly often running out my Spotters etc. At times I had to tell them to speed up or Maintain distance. So plan accordingly.
On the closing note, XUV can very well do places like Hill stations, Beaches (if you deflate tyres), Jungle trails etc. However Caution must be excersized when trying to Climb rocks, Cross rivers or do anything severe that requires 4x4 low range.
So here was my comprehensive & personal opinion on Capablities of XUV off road. I hope you like and do pour in your thoughts/ debates.
Many of us were curious how XUV FWD fares with respect to Sofroading/ Trail driving. XUV is being pushed as a true blue SUV (Mahindra leaves no stone unturned for marketing, if they can call KUV as SUV then its their birthright to call XUV as one!) And many of us also accept it to be an SUV.
XUV has many Merits on the bright side. Extremely powerful engine. Wide tyres. Great suspension. But on the downside, the beast has no 4x4 Low range, Very poor GC, Very poor Water wading depth.
There are Many of us who want to take the beast to Ladakh, Bhutan etc (Me included) and were in for a jinkx if XUV could do it. So I thought about sitting down and jotting some personal observations about my recent OTR
So Lets clear the confusion, Shall we?
Terrain Encountered-
1. Loose sand, Not too deep though.
2. Sand with deep ruts (High center)
3. Slight Wet sand
4. Jungle trails with dirt, Thorns, Bushes, Sand
5. Dry lake beds (with dried & Cracked mud layers)
6. Unpaved inclines.
Tyres- Falken Wildpeak AT, Pressure at 32 PSI
Vehicle- XUV 500 2013, FWD, Stock.
1. Cheetah is the name, and cheetah loves to pounce!
The way XUV attacks in 1st gear can be a pro or con. In offroading, it was definitely the latter. 1st gear was too fast to be of any controlled crawling. If you think you can do those descents under engine braking? Nope. Its too fast and you will need clutch & Brakes on that one.
2. Cheetah has Enough power to “Shave” High centered sand or loose mud in Ruts. I don't know how many vehicles without 4L can actually do that. Thankfully no Underbody damage observed.
3. Uphill inclines, even steep ones where a pleasure. It could be a combination of AT tyres along with powerful engine, but XUV never did fail. People with road tyres will see a lot of wheelspin and probably damage the tyres too.
Its awesome how steep a hill can you climb with XUV. Try to experience. Just use a bit of momentum.
4. XUV went in flawlessly with a pack of Pajero Sports in Jungle trails. No fuss. No Punctures. Never felt unsafe.
5. XUV has a wider track and it itself is wider than pajero or Even pajero sport. So this will be an issue with overgrown Folage and thorny tracks. I had to be very careful on such patches and dropped speeds considerably.
6. XUV has high paint quality and there are zero scratches visible due to bush/Thorn/bamboo rubbing.
7. Water wading was always a weak point and made me nervous. XUV has offical water wading depth of only 350mm and GC of 180mm. Compared that to Pajero S has water wading depth of whooping 700mm and GC of over 200mm. In that case, I had to skip river crossing and enjoy the show by hopping into friendly cars. So People thinking to cross rivers in ladakh should be warned. High flowing rivers with anything over a knee deep water will be impossible.
XUV air intake is located under the left headlight, just begging for water ingress and hydro lock. Water could also destroy low lying Cat con, giving long term problems and expensive repair bills.
Having and AWD vehicle does not change this.
8. I must offer a Praise for Falken AT. They really are self cleaning. When in Sand, entire tyre was caked-in. But it still gripped well. And All caking fell of within minutes of joining kutchha roads. Also the tyres are super grippy in dry lake beds, Sands and inclines. Never let me down.
9. Never felt any Creaking, Rattling or odd noises from suspension when on unpaved section.
10. If you apply handbrake offroad (Eg. Light sand), XUV will go normally, Dragging rear wheels and you won't even notice it until you notice the dash. Amazing torque.
11. XUV has a very sensitive ESP and WILL NOT allow you to drive on the sand at all. So remember to turn off ESP BEFORE running into sand. Thankfully, you can also turn if off (IF forgotten) When gunning the throttle or when moving.
12. DO NOT park your XUV on Sand or mud. It will sink in and get stuck. Checking the footprints left by XUV vs other cars, one can make out how heavy it is.
13. Due to the very fast 1st gear as I mentioned above, I was emberassingly often running out my Spotters etc. At times I had to tell them to speed up or Maintain distance. So plan accordingly.
On the closing note, XUV can very well do places like Hill stations, Beaches (if you deflate tyres), Jungle trails etc. However Caution must be excersized when trying to Climb rocks, Cross rivers or do anything severe that requires 4x4 low range.
So here was my comprehensive & personal opinion on Capablities of XUV off road. I hope you like and do pour in your thoughts/ debates.
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Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
So the Thunderbolt is enjoying the sand. I am sure you must have had a brilliant experience![[clap]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
. The pics are awesome and being in company of some of the accomplished SUVs definitely gives a high and driving in your XUV would have been a pleasure for sure. You should participate more often in such activities buddy. Next time, prepare a new thread on your off-road experiences. Also, Do you have videos? If so please post them here.
Regards
Akash
So the Thunderbolt is enjoying the sand. I am sure you must have had a brilliant experience
. The pics are awesome and being in company of some of the accomplished SUVs definitely gives a high and driving in your XUV would have been a pleasure for sure. You should participate more often in such activities buddy. Next time, prepare a new thread on your off-road experiences. Also, Do you have videos? If so please post them here.Regards
Akash
Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
Sir the XUV (FWD) was a revelation but it cannot be compared to any 4H vehicle let alone a Pajero in even 2H for go anywhere capabilities. Technically, all the gadgetry of XUV (FWD) cannot compensate for the mechanical torque split offering increased traction of any 4H vehicle or the rally bred pedigree of the Pajero Sport in 2H mode.
It's more of a personal perception but the Pajero Sport has the best visibility among the vehicles of it's class. The only vehicle that beats it for visibility is Pajero Glx / Sfx.
Just to add, the river crossing was a walk in the park for the Pajero Sport Automatic which is a 2 wheel drive with lesser torque. Indeed, the capabilities of the Pajero Sport show it's Dakar lineage time and again.
Sir the XUV (FWD) was a revelation but it cannot be compared to any 4H vehicle let alone a Pajero in even 2H for go anywhere capabilities. Technically, all the gadgetry of XUV (FWD) cannot compensate for the mechanical torque split offering increased traction of any 4H vehicle or the rally bred pedigree of the Pajero Sport in 2H mode.
It's more of a personal perception but the Pajero Sport has the best visibility among the vehicles of it's class. The only vehicle that beats it for visibility is Pajero Glx / Sfx.
Just to add, the river crossing was a walk in the park for the Pajero Sport Automatic which is a 2 wheel drive with lesser torque. Indeed, the capabilities of the Pajero Sport show it's Dakar lineage time and again.
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Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
Thanks buddy,
Will sure try to join in and participate in such events as much as possible. Who knows I may have a 4x4 by then.
Dear A.G,
1>
These days I am seeing off road experts (Even ones like Ronny Dahl) prefer Automatic (Torque converters, Not DSG or AMT) compared to Manual. The idea is, There will be no gap in torque for gear shift mid way (Say in river or Snow). Another advantage is ATs won't clip engine when using brake, you can focus on driving and stop fumbling with gears. It could be possible AT was a better choice for river crossing than MT.
The river crossing we did, was a matter of water wading depth and wheel articulation/GC rather than any issues with torque or traction. Even something like Safari/Sumo/Bolero 2WD would've done it the same way as Pajero 2WD.
2> I did a fair amount of research regards to AWD vs Traditional 4x4 (Like pajeros).
The AWD with TCS and ESP fared better in Slippery conditions like Mud, Sand and snow. The trick is, TCS works like sort-off electronic Diff locks.
Things like Safari/Pajero/ Scorpio will struggle with diagonal wheels in air (Or Gumbo Mud), Whereas an AWD as "Soft" as Duster or XUV will clear the same with ablomb. Too many youtube with regards to Duster AWD. Fun to watch.
3> Rally, Definitely. But Guarav Gill re-wrote History with only Mildly modified XUV AWD.
So the Thunderbolt is enjoying the sand. I am sure you must have had a brilliant experience. The pics are awesome and being in company of some of the accomplished SUVs definitely gives a high and driving in your XUV would have been a pleasure for sure. You should participate more often in such activities buddy. Next time, prepare a new thread on your off-road experiences. Also, Do you have videos? If so please post them here.
Regards
Akash
. The pics are awesome and being in company of some of the accomplished SUVs definitely gives a high and driving in your XUV would have been a pleasure for sure. You should participate more often in such activities buddy. Next time, prepare a new thread on your off-road experiences. Also, Do you have videos? If so please post them here.Regards
Akash
Will sure try to join in and participate in such events as much as possible. Who knows I may have a 4x4 by then.
Dear A.G,
1>
These days I am seeing off road experts (Even ones like Ronny Dahl) prefer Automatic (Torque converters, Not DSG or AMT) compared to Manual. The idea is, There will be no gap in torque for gear shift mid way (Say in river or Snow). Another advantage is ATs won't clip engine when using brake, you can focus on driving and stop fumbling with gears. It could be possible AT was a better choice for river crossing than MT.
The river crossing we did, was a matter of water wading depth and wheel articulation/GC rather than any issues with torque or traction. Even something like Safari/Sumo/Bolero 2WD would've done it the same way as Pajero 2WD.
2> I did a fair amount of research regards to AWD vs Traditional 4x4 (Like pajeros).
The AWD with TCS and ESP fared better in Slippery conditions like Mud, Sand and snow. The trick is, TCS works like sort-off electronic Diff locks.
Things like Safari/Pajero/ Scorpio will struggle with diagonal wheels in air (Or Gumbo Mud), Whereas an AWD as "Soft" as Duster or XUV will clear the same with ablomb. Too many youtube with regards to Duster AWD. Fun to watch.
3> Rally, Definitely. But Guarav Gill re-wrote History with only Mildly modified XUV AWD.
Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
Where did AG mention anything about an AT Vs MT? All he said was a 2WD AT Pajero too was able to clear the crossing due to its attributes. What attributes? Read on.
Since you mentioned it, let me say this. "Fumbling with the gears??" While the debate between an MT Vs an AT offroad is never ending, no experienced MT driver "fumbles" with gears. In fact an experienced AT driver would choose the gear the vehicle stays in while crossing any obstacle using the AT box. Lastly, the precision that the clutch-brake-gear-accelerator combo offers in offroad situations is something die-hard offroaders swear by.
Which is always better in a full blown BOF SUV vs a crossover/softroader.
Had that been the case, Cos like ARB, Eaton and others whose mainstay is their diff lock offerings, would have run out of business. Look up the vehicles they install their diff locks on and you will know.OEMs like Toyota, Ford and Mistubishi would not have offered factory fitted diff locks if the mentioned gadgetry could have even come close to what diff locks and a low ratio can achieve.
You see, even I m "sort off" SRK with the same body parts.![[:D]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Big%20Smile.gif "Big Smile [:D]")
The devil is always in the details.
The Duster AWD is way more capable than the XUV AWD on all counts simply because it a better engineered product.
Coming to diagonal articulation, the limited articulation softroaders offer simply puts them out of the league of full blown SUVs. Had they cleared such obstacles with "aplomb", AWD SUVs like the Endy, Range Rover and the LC would not have had a 4L mode apart from the usual electronics.
All other things equal nothing beats a low ratio gearbox offroad and that is a well established fact.
The Paris Dakar is the World's toughest rally my friend, please do not demean it by comparing it to anything else, except prolly the Borneo/Camel.
Reworte history, Mildly modified??![[lol]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Laugh.gif "Laugh [lol]")
M&M and Gaurav would be proud, their PR campaigns worked.![[evil]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Evil.gif "Evil [evil]")
Where did AG mention anything about an AT Vs MT? All he said was a 2WD AT Pajero too was able to clear the crossing due to its attributes. What attributes? Read on.
Since you mentioned it, let me say this. "Fumbling with the gears??" While the debate between an MT Vs an AT offroad is never ending, no experienced MT driver "fumbles" with gears. In fact an experienced AT driver would choose the gear the vehicle stays in while crossing any obstacle using the AT box. Lastly, the precision that the clutch-brake-gear-accelerator combo offers in offroad situations is something die-hard offroaders swear by.
Which is always better in a full blown BOF SUV vs a crossover/softroader.
Had that been the case, Cos like ARB, Eaton and others whose mainstay is their diff lock offerings, would have run out of business. Look up the vehicles they install their diff locks on and you will know.OEMs like Toyota, Ford and Mistubishi would not have offered factory fitted diff locks if the mentioned gadgetry could have even come close to what diff locks and a low ratio can achieve.
You see, even I m "sort off" SRK with the same body parts.
The devil is always in the details.The Duster AWD is way more capable than the XUV AWD on all counts simply because it a better engineered product.
Coming to diagonal articulation, the limited articulation softroaders offer simply puts them out of the league of full blown SUVs. Had they cleared such obstacles with "aplomb", AWD SUVs like the Endy, Range Rover and the LC would not have had a 4L mode apart from the usual electronics.
All other things equal nothing beats a low ratio gearbox offroad and that is a well established fact.
The Paris Dakar is the World's toughest rally my friend, please do not demean it by comparing it to anything else, except prolly the Borneo/Camel.
Reworte history, Mildly modified??
M&M and Gaurav would be proud, their PR campaigns worked.
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Sir my response is only related to XUV (FWD) and I still disagree that the XUV (FWD) is as capable as a Pajero Sport in 4H mode.
You are right - TCS and ESP make a difference but if we do a fair comparison, I would compare the Duster AWD or XUV AWD to Fortuner 4x4 or Endeavour 3.2 AT all of which have these electronics.
Sir my response is only related to XUV (FWD) and I still disagree that the XUV (FWD) is as capable as a Pajero Sport in 4H mode.
You are right - TCS and ESP make a difference but if we do a fair comparison, I would compare the Duster AWD or XUV AWD to Fortuner 4x4 or Endeavour 3.2 AT all of which have these electronics.
Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
Let me add my part in spoiling the party guys, and all of you can fire cannon balls at me, I have just put on my helmet.
It wasn't, farmers do more off roading in their Alto during harvesting of sugarcane or wheat. Any front wheel drive car which has enough GC, can do this much or even more off roading. Dare I say, I did more than this in a Tata Tiago diesel and it was fun too. Technique and momentum matters more than anything else. You may be knowing the Chilla road of Haridwar, I crossed around 1.5 feet deep water there (The surface under the water matters for even 600 mm depth), driven in sand and gravel, and have a pic of raised rear wheel too - like the one BHVM has shared with a pic highlighting it as 'wow'. All in a Tata Tiago with that puny 1.05l diesel engine.
That said, the surface was tractable, BHVM needed to dare it. If the surface under the water was having enough of the grip compromising ingredients, then Pajero Sport AT would have been doing it with a rope attached to a 4x4 outside. No offenses, but Dakar lineage has some standard, that doesn't come into play for such chindi tasks.
I have seen Bahubali part 2 yesterday, I guess I am turning into a warrior. You may have seen many roadside ads of doctors, they are mostly because of teenagers 'seeing' a lot and not trying the real thing.
Hence, get your planned 4x4 and go out to try it out.
MTs' also don't clip the engine, it's the driver who does. No matter it's the AT or MT, carrying right amount of momentum and right technique is the key.
This is the key statement.
Drive something with a locker some day. Put XUV in AWD and a Pajero with a locker in 2H, then see which goes farther.
What attributes? Surface under the water and a better water wading depth - no other attribute.
He is absolutely right.
Articulation - depends on suspension setup, no hard and fast rule that only BOF will be better.
Water wading depth - let me give it to the snorkel
Indeed, no matter what - a locker is a locker. Electronic diff lock!! And Electronics are never as reliable as solid and honest mechanicals.
This picture shows a 1900 kilos D-Max V Cross with 3 on board pulling a Thar with 2 on board, in off road situation. First gear in 4L and no accelerator input. We cross inclines, ruts and what not. If it was an XUV AWD, I would have had to keep slipping the clutch for entire 0.4 kms until we hit the tarmac. And after this, the D-Max kept pulling Thar on the broken tarmac, over speed breakers, one flyover and a populous area too, all in 4L in second gear, without any clutch slipping and accelerator input too while passing over speed breakers etc. 4L mode is something that no electronics can ever compromise.
+100, give this man a medal.
Indeed, and the above said trail is absolutely nothing to write about the capabilities and durability of a Pajero.
Let me add my part in spoiling the party guys, and all of you can fire cannon balls at me, I have just put on my helmet.
It wasn't, farmers do more off roading in their Alto during harvesting of sugarcane or wheat. Any front wheel drive car which has enough GC, can do this much or even more off roading. Dare I say, I did more than this in a Tata Tiago diesel and it was fun too. Technique and momentum matters more than anything else. You may be knowing the Chilla road of Haridwar, I crossed around 1.5 feet deep water there (The surface under the water matters for even 600 mm depth), driven in sand and gravel, and have a pic of raised rear wheel too - like the one BHVM has shared with a pic highlighting it as 'wow'. All in a Tata Tiago with that puny 1.05l diesel engine.
That said, the surface was tractable, BHVM needed to dare it. If the surface under the water was having enough of the grip compromising ingredients, then Pajero Sport AT would have been doing it with a rope attached to a 4x4 outside. No offenses, but Dakar lineage has some standard, that doesn't come into play for such chindi tasks.
I have seen Bahubali part 2 yesterday, I guess I am turning into a warrior. You may have seen many roadside ads of doctors, they are mostly because of teenagers 'seeing' a lot and not trying the real thing.
Hence, get your planned 4x4 and go out to try it out.
MTs' also don't clip the engine, it's the driver who does. No matter it's the AT or MT, carrying right amount of momentum and right technique is the key.
This is the key statement.
Drive something with a locker some day. Put XUV in AWD and a Pajero with a locker in 2H, then see which goes farther.
What attributes? Surface under the water and a better water wading depth - no other attribute.
He is absolutely right.
Articulation - depends on suspension setup, no hard and fast rule that only BOF will be better.
Water wading depth - let me give it to the snorkel
Indeed, no matter what - a locker is a locker. Electronic diff lock!! And Electronics are never as reliable as solid and honest mechanicals.
This picture shows a 1900 kilos D-Max V Cross with 3 on board pulling a Thar with 2 on board, in off road situation. First gear in 4L and no accelerator input. We cross inclines, ruts and what not. If it was an XUV AWD, I would have had to keep slipping the clutch for entire 0.4 kms until we hit the tarmac. And after this, the D-Max kept pulling Thar on the broken tarmac, over speed breakers, one flyover and a populous area too, all in 4L in second gear, without any clutch slipping and accelerator input too while passing over speed breakers etc. 4L mode is something that no electronics can ever compromise.
+100, give this man a medal.
Indeed, and the above said trail is absolutely nothing to write about the capabilities and durability of a Pajero.
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To clarify my comment, the XUV (FWD) was a revelation in the manner it completed the trails attempted like there was no wheelspin and no excessive revving required.
Off-roading gurus like you only can accomplish such feats because my mind, as a novice, would have started calculating the risks of crossing 450mm of standing water which means calculating the what-if scenarios like water can enter through doors as the vehicle is designed to pass less than 200mm standing water test, 75% tyres are down in water so what grip levels are left, 50% engine is in water so what damages to sensors, exhaust completely under water and probably intake is on the edge too if not already under water, radiator fan cutting through water, etc.
The Dakar lineage is there to reassure you can dare to attempt the task and not calculate the what-if scenarios.
If the XUV (FWD) is as capable as a Pajero Sport in 4H mode, is it required at all? My question is still unanswered.
To clarify my comment, the XUV (FWD) was a revelation in the manner it completed the trails attempted like there was no wheelspin and no excessive revving required.
Off-roading gurus like you only can accomplish such feats because my mind, as a novice, would have started calculating the risks of crossing 450mm of standing water which means calculating the what-if scenarios like water can enter through doors as the vehicle is designed to pass less than 200mm standing water test, 75% tyres are down in water so what grip levels are left, 50% engine is in water so what damages to sensors, exhaust completely under water and probably intake is on the edge too if not already under water, radiator fan cutting through water, etc.
The Dakar lineage is there to reassure you can dare to attempt the task and not calculate the what-if scenarios.
If the XUV (FWD) is as capable as a Pajero Sport in 4H mode, is it required at all? My question is still unanswered.
Re: “Thunderbolt” Mahindra XUV5OO Detailed Review (4 Years Report)
I totally agree with BHVM on his opinions about merits and shortcomings of XUV. His observations are spot on.Cant comment on pajero and its family,and their ofroad prowess,as I have never driven one.But if ever I get my hands on one,my first and foremost worry would be ,WHERE WILL I GET THE SERVICE????and what about the procurement of spares?? With XUV I do not have to worry at all. 95% of the public(including me)have not spent on xuv for offroading.It serves it purpose on the myriads of highways,broken or well laid,all over India.I dont know about pajero,but I had my fun on most of the open stretches,including YEE. XUV is real fast there,by any standards.And for that purpose,wandering over all of India,fast and in comfort,XUV leaves its competetors behind,far... behind.
I totally agree with BHVM on his opinions about merits and shortcomings of XUV. His observations are spot on.Cant comment on pajero and its family,and their ofroad prowess,as I have never driven one.But if ever I get my hands on one,my first and foremost worry would be ,WHERE WILL I GET THE SERVICE????and what about the procurement of spares?? With XUV I do not have to worry at all. 95% of the public(including me)have not spent on xuv for offroading.It serves it purpose on the myriads of highways,broken or well laid,all over India.I dont know about pajero,but I had my fun on most of the open stretches,including YEE. XUV is real fast there,by any standards.And for that purpose,wandering over all of India,fast and in comfort,XUV leaves its competetors behind,far... behind.