Volkswagen Brings Diesel Hot Hatch: Polo GT TDi (Details: Pg.14)

[Rightnow]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

@rightnow : dont you think we highline owners are at a great loss as they have decreased prices and given a hell lot of things in new model .. i mean they have given steering mounted controls .. n the still give 5.84 ex showroom .. very unfair vw

I don't think so poloman.
This is how it happens in the whole industry. Not just vw, all mafufacturers add on features and upgrade their models to keep the interest alive.

I would be going to my dealer and check out new polo soon, and see how many features can we get on our earlier polos.

Hi Poloman,

Trimming the Prices of Highline variants comes at a time when VW is facing the heat in the market with nos have been shrinking month on month and No new launch expected till December 2014,So to keep the customer interested VW brought these changes but having said that if i keep myself in your shoes i would feel cheated as Prices have been reduced and features have been added,Good Luck and Safe Driving.

Honda also did it with Jazz. Slashed the price to around a lac, and many earlier jazz buyers felt cheated. Why did they choose this strategy even though they had honda city as a cash cow in their portfolio.

I think this is a lesson we need to learn that we should not buy a new launch immediately, just wait for a year or so to buy it. By the time, they access the response, they correct any initial niggles, they bring down the prices if required and add more features

Polo and vento are not new launches anymore. Neither they were when poloman or I bought polo. The introduction of new features is not correction of niggles man. Why do you say that?

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

Polo and vento are not new launches anymore. Neither they were when poloman or I bought polo. The introduction of new features is not correction of niggles man. Why do you say that?

Right now,

You have to understand something called Indian way of living and selling !!

Every international company which try and sell in India, most of them sell product made for India, either it is in-terms of conditions or price sensitive market and a typical competition. I know this very well because I worked for a European company as Asia-Pacific head and I know these dynamics than a customer !! So as far as Indian launch, they are new babies made for India A polo running in cool Europe is different from extreme hot & dusty running in India !!

Now coming to other point, niggles & features are two different things and I did not mix them, I think while reading you got mistaken, please read my post once again.

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

Right now,
You have to understand something called Indian way of living and selling...
Now coming to other point, niggles & features are two different things and I did not mix them, I think while reading you got mistaken, please read my post once again.

Yeah, I understand that very well.

Regarding other point, I think I misinterpreted your comments. Sorry for that.
So you mean its a lesson learnt that we should wait for a car years enough such that a fully loaded and fully capable model is available in the market?

 

[vishnunarayanan]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

So you mean its a lesson learnt that we should wait for a car years enough such that a fully loaded and fully capable model is available in the market?

Polo is a great car. We would agree to the fact that Germans are the best when it comes to the built quality and cabin manufacturing. But the TDI Engine powering the Polo is a drawback. I have test driven the car few months before and I would give 9/10 for the car.
But I expected a engine change or a additional variant that would come with a powerful engine even if it was priced high.
Sometimes we will have to wait for a facelift or a fully capable model to come if you are a person who wants to go through the way your heart wants to go through.

 

[Raja]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

The only negative point I found in the polo was the noisy engine when I took test drive . If they had kept the same price with 4 pot engine it would have been great .
The interiors the feel you get when inside the polo is unmatched in its segment atleast to me . It exudes class.

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

Yeah, I understand that very well.

Regarding other point, I think I misinterpreted your comments. Sorry for that.
So you mean its a lesson learnt that we should wait for a car years enough such that a fully loaded and fully capable model is available in the market?

At least people like me, who are pure budget buyers. You know it takes lot of effort for us to buy something like POLO and if it has some problems and we have to address them , then we will be no where except parking the car at home And we feel terribly disappointed if a facelift is launched with more features with same price within a year or two, because we buy any car to keep it for 5 to 7 years due to budget constraints. So I am talking about such people

 

[Raja]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

Yeah, I understand that very well.

Regarding other point, I think I misinterpreted your comments. Sorry for that.
So you mean its a lesson learnt that we should wait for a car years enough such that a fully loaded and fully capable model is available in the market?

Not really .
If the car is selling best in its segment why will the company add features ? Have you heard maruti adding features in swift ?
Yes after a life cycle every car goes through changes in looks , price , features but polo has not gone through it as yet .
This changes are just to entice more costoumers which are falling steadily since sometime .
Waiting 1 year is only related to understand niggles , if there are any niggles associated just this other then this I dont see any advantage in waiting for a year .
VW has only added features to boost sales further which maybe are not as expected as they thought .

 

[Raja]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

At least people like me, who are pure budget buyers. You know it takes lot of effort for us to buy something like POLO and if it has some problems and we have to address them , then we will be no where except parking the car at home And we feel terribly disappointed if a facelift is launched with more features with same price within a year or two, because we buy any car to keep it for 5 to 7 years due to budget constraints. So I am talking about such people

Gurralla fac lift dosent happen in 1 or 2 years . Features or only added if the sales are low . To understand niggles yes I agree that 1 needs to wait even that dosent guarantee 100% that you'r particular car will have niggles or not at times such things are based on pure luck .

 

[vishnunarayanan]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

The only negative point I found in the polo was the noisy engine when I took test drive . If they had kept the same price with 4 pot engine it would have been great .
The interiors the feel you get when inside the polo is unmatched in its segment atleast to me . It exudes class.

+1 Raja.
If VW India wanted an increase in the sales numbers or if they had the intention to take over the sales numbers in greater numbers they should have introduced a better diesel engine into the line up. Polo definitely deserves a better engine and it is quite a disappointment.Still with the 3 pot diesel engine its a nice car. If it had a better engine Polo would have been the best among the lot.
Anyway the new price is going to attract some to the highline variant of the Polo.

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

But the TDI Engine powering the Polo is a drawback. I have test driven the car few months before and I would give 9/10 for the car.
But I expected a engine change or a additional variant that would come with a powerful engine even if it was priced high.

No man, if polo was priced higher with better engine I am sure no one would have bought it quoting it highly overpriced on account of lesser features.

The only negative point I found in the polo was the noisy engine when I took test drive . If they had kept the same price with 4 pot engine it would have been great .
The interiors the feel you get when inside the polo is unmatched in its segment atleast to me . It exudes class.

They have reduced one cylinder to make it economical. If they could have afforded it, they would have done it already. Looking at slow growth in Indian market, I am sure VW cannot predict when they would be in position to launch better configured polo.

At least people like me, who are pure budget buyers. You know it takes lot of effort for us to buy something like POLO and if it has some problems and we have to address them , then we will be no where except parking the car at home And we feel terribly disappointed if a facelift is launched with more features with same price within a year or two, because we buy any car to keep it for 5 to 7 years due to budget constraints. So I am talking about such people

Take my example, my polo was 6.53 lac on road. Three years AMC means no service charge for three years. Free first year insurance. If I pay Rs. 7800, can avail two year extended warranty, I avail peace of mind for four years. Where is the high cost of ownership tell me? Wait one more thing- not even a single niggle in 14700Kms so far. So, how about evaluating my cost of ownership compared to competition?

Not really .
If the car is selling best in its segment why will the company add features ? Have you heard maruti adding features in swift?
Yes after a life cycle every car goes through changes in looks , price , features but polo has not gone through it as yet .
This changes are just to entice more costoumers which are falling steadily since sometime .
Waiting 1 year is only related to understand niggles , if there are any niggles associated just this other then this I dont see any advantage in waiting for a year .
VW has only added features to boost sales further which maybe are not as expected as they thought .

That's what I said that people now already know what kinda niggle may happen with polo and Gurrala's comment that its lesson for us to learn doesn't really hold true in this case.
I believe polo's product life cycle is approaching its mature/stagnant phase.

Gurralla fac lift dosent happen in 1 or 2 years . Features or only added if the sales are low . To understand niggles yes I agree that 1 needs to wait even that dosent guarantee 100% that you'r particular car will have niggles or not at times such things are based on pure luck .

Agree

+1 Raja.
....Anyway the new price is going to attract some to the highline variant of the Polo.

The new highlne variant gets some features that all us feature conscious buyers have been talking about. hope the sales pick-up.

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

Take my example, my polo was 6.53 lac on road. Three years AMC means no service charge for three years. Free first year insurance. If I pay Rs. 7800, can avail two year extended warranty, I avail peace of mind for four years. Where is the high cost of ownership tell me? Wait one more thing- not even a single niggle in 14700Kms so far. So, how about evaluating my cost of ownership compared to competition?

It is not at all correct to compare Ritz with Polo may be !!, but still Since while buying Ritz, I was also looking to own a VW beauty, but if I start comparing, then

On road price of POLO according to you is 6.53 and Ritz was 5.77L, we just leave the features and safety aspects here. I agree that Polo comes with loaded features and good safety aspects, but what to do, I am a typical Indian budget buyer.

Now comes to the 3 year AMC for which you have already paid some amount in that 6.53 on road price and + 2 year warranty you need to pay something to that so all together it is 5 years under warranty but you need to pay for consumables and service cost !! If I am right, so my Ritz within 1-1/2 years with 15000km the money spent is Rs.5000/- approx. and for next 3.5 years too it will be like this only and I do not see any major break down of parts within this 5 years.

So this is how it goes about Ritz without single niggle so far and peace of mind. Also I should say here with best of the FE in city 18+ with AC and 22+ on highway with lot of leg room and head room and importantly 1 cylinder more on engine and very less noise compared to Polo

Again I am saying it is not fair to compare Polo with Ritz, but what to do unfortunately I am a typical Indian budged buyer who is very cautious and afford to miss FUN !!

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

It is not at all correct to compare Ritz with Polo may be..... !!,

Yes you are right, more so when you compare petrol and diesel!! (my polo is a petrol). I think, in most comparisons of value for money or budget buyers, Maruti is an undisputed winner.
I was specifically talking about the competition like Jazz, i20 and the likes. Polo petrol makes an awesome package with fun to ride experience and that build quality, which will now be coupled with features like steering controls.

 

[Sam Dinkar]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

What the Polos actually need is another cylinder in their engines

 

[Raja]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

It is not at all correct to compare Ritz with Polo may be !!, but still Since while buying Ritz, I was also looking to own a VW beauty, but if I start comparing, then

On road price of POLO according to you is 6.53 and Ritz was 5.77L, we just leave the features and safety aspects here. I agree that Polo comes with loaded features and good safety aspects, but what to do, I am a typical Indian budget buyer.

Now comes to the 3 year AMC for which you have already paid some amount in that 6.53 on road price and + 2 year warranty you need to pay something to that so all together it is 5 years under warranty but you need to pay for consumables and service cost !! If I am right, so my Ritz within 1-1/2 years with 15000km the money spent is Rs.5000/- approx. and for next 3.5 years too it will be like this only and I do not see any major break down of parts within this 5 years.

So this is how it goes about Ritz without single niggle so far and peace of mind. Also I should say here with best of the FE in city 18+ with AC and 22+ on highway with lot of leg room and head room and importantly 1 cylinder more on engine and very less noise compared to Polo

Again I am saying it is not fair to compare Polo with Ritz, but what to do unfortunately I am a typical Indian budged buyer who is very cautious and afford to miss FUN !!

You are right polo can't be compared to ritz they don't come in same segment atall .
The service cost of ritz will be lesser then polo .
Similarly Nano service cost will be lesser then ritz and other cars too .
But how do you assume that ritz will allways be or for that matter any car will be less niggle free and less tension free then polo .?
I have never heard anybody saying polo is a troublesome car compared to its competetion .

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Upgraded Volkswagen Polo Coming. Possibly with 1.6 TDi?

What the Polos actually need is another cylinder in their engines

Yeah. It really does need a fourth cylinder and I had been looking for one for quite some time. After searches, I narrowed down to following two choices:

First one is a cylinder that has small LED in it. It looks like below and can be fitted anywhere in the engine. All this will make polo a four cylinder car:



Another option is even cheaper and cool. The pictures are shown below and they are made of fabric, very easy to use and can be placed anywhere inside the bonnet. I will choose the red color from below, to complement my red polo and make it four cylinder car:




Now, jokes apart. All this to say that there is no difference between polo's 3 cylinder engine and 4 cylinder engines. Just that its bit noisy. Test Drive it to see the difference (or no difference I mean).

When I test drove polo, I didn't even know that it was a 3 pot motor, and when I read reviews of the car afterwards, I was surprised that it was 3 cylinder one. I couldn't digest it and thought how could have I not noticed any inferior performance in my TD if ever polo had a 3 pot engine. I couldn't disregard my own driving experience on basis of review scripts, and booked the car.
So, may be its the preconceived notion that comes into play when we talk about polo, or when we test drive polo.