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How can both the technologies be the same when their names are different?
we all generally know that regular turbo charges are spins their on way means required amount of pressure is entered into turbo chamber then turbo booster boosting more power into engine but in the mean time feels the turbo lag in lower RPM so to eliminate this turbo lag an electronically operated motors starts rotating the turbo spinned to minimize the lag
 
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we all generally know that regular turbo charges are spins their on way means required amount of pressure is entered into turbo chamber then turbo booster boosting more power into engine but in the mean time feels the turbo lag in lower RPM so to eliminate this turbo lag an electronically operated motors starts rotating the turbo spinned to minimize the lag
It will be nice to have those electric motors coming into action at low revs and eliminate the lag. But I don't think QJD/Revotron uses this tech and above all new re-tuned 2.2 VariCOR also.[:)]
 
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If so,they should have highlighted that. But no mention what so ever..!! Could you please provide some links..!! :)
 
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There is no mention about electric motor there[frustration] Only low inertia watercooled turbo..!! Electronic there do not relate to hybrid turbo i think.[:)]
what is hybrid in general form any mechanical machine joined hands with electric machine to perform some amount of action so here in turbo spinner spinning with the help of electronic motor when they need so so we can accept it has a hybrid turbo charger or electronic turbo charger i think so
 
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we all generally know that regular turbo charges are spins their on way means required amount of pressure is entered into turbo chamber then turbo booster boosting more power into engine but in the mean time feels the turbo lag in lower RPM so to eliminate this turbo lag an electronically operated motors starts rotating the turbo spinned to minimize the lag
Won't the electronic motor stop or effect the working of the turbo? Won't it lead to some power loss and some bad response from engine at low revolution? What happens if the electric motor fails? Will the electric motor too fail?
go to tatazest official website you will find their about electronic turbo charger(hybrid)

link:Tata Zest Powerful Revotron Engine
Where did they mention about the electric turbocharger there? What is firstly, the use of Revotron?
what is hybrid in general form any mechanical machine joined hands with electric machine to perform some amount of action so here in turbo spinner spinning with the help of electronic motor when they need so so we can accept it has a hybrid turbo charger or electronic turbo charger i think so
If their "hybrid turbocharger" or "electrical turbocharger" fails, will the engine stop running? Or will the engine be in running? How is it that the hybrid turbocharger is working? Will it work by battery? How is it taking in the air? A detailed diagram would help very much as not many TAIians are aware of this info.
 
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Won't the electronic motor stop or effect the working of the turbo? Won't it lead to some power loss and some bad response from engine at low revolution? What happens if the electric motor fails? Will the electric motor too fail?

Where did they mention about the electric turbocharger there? What is firstly, the use of Revotron?

If their "hybrid turbocharger" or "electrical turbocharger" fails, will the engine stop running? Or will the engine be in running? How is it that the hybrid turbocharger is working? Will it work by battery? How is it taking in the air? A detailed diagram would help very much as not many TAIians are aware of this info.
A hybrid turbocharger is an electric turbocharger consisting of an ultra high speed turbine-generator and an ultra high speed electric air compressor. The turbine and compressor are high-speed aeromachines, as in a conventional turbocharger. The electrical motors run at speeds in excess of 120,000 rpm and when used as generators, generate electricity at up to 98.5% electrical efficiency. High electrical efficiency is paramount, because there is no mechanical link between the turbine and compressor. In other words, hybrid turbocharger refers to a series hybrid setup, in which compressor speed and power are independent from turbine speed and power. This design flexibility leads to further improvements in turbine and compressor efficiency, beyond a conventional turbocharger.

The designers claim that hybrid turbocharger technology (HTT) virtually eliminates turbo lag and enables engine downsizing without compromising engine performance. This means that a HTT equipped engine can save up to 30% on CO2 emissions and fuel economy compared to an equivalent naturally aspirated engine.

HTT_Basic_Schematic.JPG
Basic schematic of an Aeristech Hybrid Turbocharger

Physical arrangement

The electric motors utilize permanent magnets which have a higher efficiency than standard high speed induction motors. Induction motors induce an electro-magnetic field into a solid rotor core. The induction motor is much simpler to control, but there are substantial losses involved in generating the magnetic field in the rotor.

The HTT motor will accelerate from 40,000 to 120,000 rpm in less than 450 ms. The HTT motor control therefore requires a fast acting CPU to match the magnetic field of the stator to the changing position of the rotor.

Operating modes

Acceleration

HTT_Acceleration.JPG

When the driver depresses the throttle, the HTT initially acts like an electric supercharger. The compressor motor is powered from the energy storage medium allowing it to accelerate to full operating speed in <500 ms. This rate of acceleration eliminates the turbo lag which is a major limiting factor on the performance of standard turbocharged engines.

During this transient stage, the engine control unit (ECU) on a standard turbocharged engine uses a combination of sensors such as lambda sensors and air mass flow sensors to regulate the fuel flow rate. In an HTT equipped engine the ECU can deliver the precise fuel flow rate for complete combustion more accurately. This is achieved by directly controlling the air flow rate and boost pressure via control of the compressor speed.

Aeristech's prototype motor delivers 26 kW (35 PS; 35 hp) at 120,000 rpm, weighs under 3.5 kg (8 lb) and is approximately 10 centimetres (4 in) in length.

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Aeristech 2009 prototype electric compressor

Charging

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At high engine speeds there is more energy generated by the turbine than is required by the compressor. Under these conditions, the excess energy can be used to recharge the energy storage for the next acceleration phase or used to power some of the auxiliary loads such as an electric air conditioning system.

When combined with a variable geometry turbine, the back pressure on the engine can be varied according to the electrical demands of the vehicle and charge state of the energy storage medium.

Development is underway for replacing battery energy storage with a super capacitor which can be charged and discharged very quickly.

Steady state

For the majority of the time the hybrid turbocharger is operating, the compressor and turbine power (not necessarily speed) will be matched. This gives an extra degree of freedom to the designer of a turbocharger impeller.

Here the hybrid turbocharger efficiently transfers the electricity between the turbine and compressor. Aeristech's latest test program has proven the efficiency of the hybrid turbocharger to be equivalent to (if not better than) that of an ordinary mechanical turbocharger.

System benefits

Aeristech claim many other benefits to running a hybrid turbocharged engine:

Improved packaging by enabling the turbine and compressor to be placed in separate parts of the engine bay.

Higher density charge air by reducing the length of intake ducts and increasing the size of the compressor wheel.

ECU controlled boost levels will enable tighter predictive control of in-cylinder combustion.

Similar engine downsizing benefits to a hybrid vehicle, but with far less (approx 1/7th) energy storage capacity to achieve the same level of downsizing.
Other types of electric turbochargers and electric superchargers are under development with varying degrees of success:

eBooster by BorgWarner - a small auxiliary electric compressor powered by the vehicle's electric system.

TurboPac by TurboDyne - Electric supercharger

Garrett electrically-assisted turbo

Valeo - Electric supercharger using a low-inertia switched-reluctance motor
 
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