Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@tornado78

Brother thanx a lot for the effort , your post is superb and will help many till they take a test drive themselves .

@all
Now this becomes a authentic post as tornado78 has driven both the vehicles , or atleast one has to follow a protocol of dharmesh " no comments on certain aspects which are not personally expreinced " which will in return make this thread a informative one . The intention of the thread must be to bring good and bad points of both the cars and let the reader or prospective buyer decide which one he can go for after test driving both .

 

[tornado78]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Even Aria will lose against storme if you open another thread for instance. Does that proves anything.
Come on tornado78 - logic !

You have not read the enitre post of mine infact posts, in my first post i have mentioend that i will share point by point comparision of both the vehicle, and in terms of price yes XUV is a loser but it gains in some of the gadgets and features.

Yes Aria was priced silly when it was laucnhed and still it is on higher side, but here we are considering only two cars XUV vs Storme and here in terms of price Storme is a winner.

Whereas in terms of overall Ride Quality Storme is a winner again, but loses the battle to XUV in terms of handling (high speed).
In terms of Drivabilty of Vehicle XUV wins but loses on NVH levels and CLutch response and Braking.

PS: To all TAI members, kindly restrain yourselves to comparo of these 2 cars ie storme and xuv.

 

[sudharshang]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

How about the price of parts and overall cost to maintain both the vehicles? Which vehicle requires less frequent visits to ASC?

Though Storme is new, I believe it will share many parts with older Safari. On an average, Safari is costlier to maintain than Scorpio. Though it may not be the case for all people.

I see lots of XUVs coming to ASC frequently when I give my Scorpio for service. Poor quality control in some portions of the vehicle by M&M is to be blamed. Otherwise, it is a solid VFM car.

With lots of new technologies going in both Storme and XUV, how are the technicians and service advisors in respective ASCs taking them?

I sometimes hear some technicians at M&M ASC complaining that Scorpios and Boleros are much better than XUV. Many things in XUV are too complex for them to understand.

Same should be the case for Storme & Aria at Tata ASC.

Service data of both the cars will also help prospective customers.

 

[tornado78]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Even the aria is more comfortable when changing lanes at speeds. But the most uninspiring part are the breaks.

Brakes of Aria are uninspiring, well this is the first time i have seen such remark from any Petrol Head and reveiwer. Aria has the best brakes in business infact better than storme and XUV.

But again a humble request we should not bring any other vehicle on this thread please, please please.

 

[Superbad]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

1. Is ESP is very important and life saving ??(how many lives it has saved, do you have any data), It is like if you are equipped with 6 Airbags your life is saved in a fatal accident, but in reality it never

Electronic Stability Program (ESP) side-by-side comparison - YouTube

How Effective is Stability Control - YouTube
Ford Focus with ESP - YouTube

watch them and judge yourselves.

2. Which are different vehicles and what is their DNA and why they should not be compared, do you want us to compare Storm with Scorpio which also having different DNA, will that be justified. Please elaborate with facts why these two cannot be compared according you ??

the 4X4 of the storme cannot be compared to the AWD of the XUV.

that is what i wanted to mention since they are both different.

both have their advantages and disadvantages.

the disadvantage of one is an advantage on another.

hence comparison was unjustified.

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

How about the price of parts and overall cost to maintain both the vehicles? Which vehicle requires less frequent visits to ASC?

Though Storme is new, I believe it will share many parts with older Safari. On an average, Safari is costlier to maintain than Scorpio. Though it may not be the case for all people.

I see lots of XUVs coming to ASC frequently when I give my Scorpio for service. Poor quality control in some portions of the vehicle by M&M is to be blamed. Otherwise, it is a solid VFM car.

With lots of new technologies going in both Storme and XUV, how are the technicians and service advisors in respective ASCs taking them?

I sometimes hear some technicians at M&M ASC complaining that Scorpios and Boleros are much better than XUV. Many things in XUV are too complex for them to understand.

Same should be the case for Storme & Aria at Tata ASC.

Service data of both the cars will also help prospective customers.

Storme is very young in the market to comment about its reliability . Plus the suspensions , steering mechanism and other parts are completely newly designed and the engine too tuned different then the current safari .

Secondly storme is not having any complex tech or features ( hell the whole world bashes storme for not having high end features ) .

Our forum member sanjaysg has travelled 5000 plus Kms in his storme and has reported that there is zero problem as of now .
infact in his own words storme is a no nonsense fill it , shut it , forget it and just drive it type of SUV .

About xuv and how soon it goes to service station well I think you have answered your own question in your post .infact you have given us first hand information .

 

[tornado78]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Hi All,

Now I will share my view on Features, Gadgets and Looks of the Car

Features and Gadgets:

XUV is loaded with features W6 and W8 both have many features, some of them are useful and some of them are just to add bling in the car (one can live and drive without them). W8 has 6 airbags, Steering adjustment for rake and reach, ABS, ESP, Tyretronics, CLimate COntrol, Twin AC+10 AC vents, cornering lighjts, Steering mounted Switches, Cruise COntrol, Multimedia Stereo and Sat Nav Function, etc etc. and other normal features like mood lights (yuk lights, personal thought), leather seats, arm rests etc.

Whereas Storme has: 2 airbags, ABS, Stereo with blutooth, Stalk mounted controls, Steering adjustment for rake only, Twin AC+10 Air Vents, Leather Seats, etc.

So in terms of gadgets, XUV is a clear winner from Storme but you need to pay a little extra for those gadgets.

Looks (Subjective Opinion), KIndly no argument on this aspect:

Looks are purley subjective matter, here TML has purposely tried to retain the original DNA figure of Safari but with almost 80%+ new parts and design. From front it looks a bit of LR Freelander, with big STORME Embossed chrome strip it looks classy, one cannot get bored with its front looks, side profile is somewhat similar to the 2.2 dicor with new cladding, come to the rear and you will see the removal of spare tyre has created a lot of space to designers to play but to keep things in classy manner they have played it safe and just added a grey colour strip to break the monotony.
Overall, one will not miss the old safari but spare wheel definately used to add a lot of macho appeal to the vehicle.

XUV is a new design and the designers are succesful in selling their ideas to the people of this country. From front it looks agile and unique but lost its charm in side profile. People dont like its rear but i personally liked its rear portion.
Overall a good design to choose to.

My Pic: Anyday Safari Storme over XUV. (personal Choice)

 

[jayadev]

Brakes of Aria are uninspiring, well this is the first time i have seen such remark from any Petrol Head and reveiwer. Aria has the best brakes in business infact better than storme and XUV.

But again a humble request we should not bring any other vehicle on this thread please, please please.

unfortunately man is a rational animal.
We are not bringing another car to spark off some debate but to justify certain points which are too narowly being projected.
I rather prefer a broader view
Xuv is an excellent car and well proven and Mahindra has a better reputation in SUV market against Tata obviously . On the other hand storme is not even launched properly neither its reliability is accounted, then how come such a comparo is justified?

I feel like we are being taken for granted here in the name of internet wisdom and those few who had thier TD and thier subjective perception.

I would like to point out on psychological part of buying masses which would be undoutedly milead.
Again, these kind of comparos are carried out by paid channels for marketing concerns . I hope Tai is free forum as of now.

 

[Iron Rock]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

1. Is ESP is very important and life saving ??(how many lives it has saved, do you have any data), It is like if you are equipped with 6 Airbags your life is saved in a fatal accident, but in reality it never

Guralla Sir I am really surprised by your question, i hope we are not devaluing safety for the sake of some vehicle comparison. The comparison be damned rather but i wouldn't devalue safety atleast. Agree at the end of the day we are at the mercy of whichever god we believe in , but lets not devalue safety. Please dont get me wrong sir.

Some statistics for your reading :-

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810794.pdf

IIHS-HLDI

 

[Tornado]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

How about the price of parts and overall cost to maintain both the vehicles? Which vehicle requires less frequent visits to ASC?

Though Storme is new, I believe it will share many parts with older Safari. On an average, Safari is costlier to maintain than Scorpio. Though it may not be the case for all people.

I see lots of XUVs coming to ASC frequently when I give my Scorpio for service. Poor quality control in some portions of the vehicle by M&M is to be blamed. Otherwise, it is a solid VFM car.

With lots of new technologies going in both Storme and XUV, how are the technicians and service advisors in respective ASCs taking them?

I sometimes hear some technicians at M&M ASC complaining that Scorpios and Boleros are much better than XUV. Many things in XUV are too complex for them to understand.

Same should be the case for Storme & Aria at Tata ASC.

Service data of both the cars will also help prospective customers.

There is hardly 0.2% difference in ASS quality of m&m and TATA as per JD POWER associates survey.And m&m is better than TATA.
On this forum also there is mixed reaction about both co.s . Some have good experience about TATA, some have bad experience and similarly with m&m there are good and bad reports.

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

unfortunately man is a rational animal.
We are not bringing another car to spark off some debate but to justify certain points which are too narowly being projected.
I rather prefer a broader view
Xuv is an excellent car and well proven and Mahindra has a better reputation in SUV market against Tata obviously . On the other hand storme is not even launched properly neither its reliability is accounted, then how come such a comparo is justified?

I feel like we are being taken for granted here in the name of internet wisdom and those few who had thier TD and thier subjective perception.

I would like to point out on psychological part of buying masses which would be undoutedly milead.
Again, these kind of comparos are carried out by paid channels for marketing concerns . I hope Tai is free forum as of now.

I think you are missing a point here , the thread is " not about declaring who is a winner " the thread infact is all about writing your subjective perceptions of both storme and xuv after test driving them .

Or if you have not driven comment on things which you think are wise to comment on using your own god given grey matter in the head .

And ofcourse its not a paid or marketing comparo , the thread is just to document expreinces of TAI members about the storme and xuv .

Discussions done in a healthy way can make this thread quite interesting .

@ Superbad
+100 ESP is indeed one nice safety feature and * may * help in emergency situations . And xuv having that feature along with 6 airbags ( although with higher pricing ) is a fantastic thing .

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@Superbad & Iron Rock, please do not be under such surprise please, I am aware of such videos posted by Superbad and the link given by IR there, I am very much concerned on the safety front of any vehicle, but never support man made intentional mistakes and expect electronics to save you. I am very clear on this and I can assure you I have read much data on ESP,ABS,EBD,Airbags, BUT we have some differentiation here that the conditions in those western or other countries differ a lot and may be such things proved well over there, but Indian conditions are quite different and the driving culture too, so my question is very simple, keeping the theory part a side, just think bit practically and tell me how many times we come across such situations in India and how really they are useful for us. Please do not get emotional on this, just you can answer bit plainly with reasoning for my learning also for others who are with my view.

My request to other members who feel whether TD is such important to comment on the vehicle, yes TD is very important to understand the vehicle behavior fully, if not one can comment on its specs,price,features etc., So no need to break the head on this point please

 

[tornado78]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

This is the last part of my view and experience with the vehicles. This part will deal with
Niggles, ASS and Long Term Usability of Vehicle.

Niggles: XUV, do i need to mention anything on this aspect of the car, its full of niggles and niggles and niggles. Oh yes isnt M&M has done alot and rectified all the problems, no you got ur facts wrong. M&M has done a lot to rectified the problems, they did manage to rectified them but still few grmlins are there in the car like brake dust and brake noise issue, door not locking properly (typical M&M issue since the time of scorpio), steering failure, etc.

Its too early to report the niggles of Storme but yes there are two issues reported so far first is middle seat is not locking propely (typical TML issue since 2.2 safari time) and driver side door has some loose rattling sound from inside of the door cladding not the door. Lets wait and watch for famous TATA Gremlins.

After Sales Service: As per surveys and other record shows TASS is a bit better than M&M A**. Like M&M purple club for XUV owners TML has started given storme owners special and so called VIP treatment. Storme is much more advance and tested vehicle as compare to old safari. TASS process and workmenship has improved a lot in the last one year or so and they are still in the process of making it better to compete with counter parts. Same Goes for M&M A**. Storme has less electronics as compared to XUV and theoritically has less chances of things getting bonkers in storme.

Long Term Usabilty: Historically, M&M has better resale value than TML vehicles, overall if we see, TML is offering 1L and 3 years warranty as compare to 80,000 kms and 3 years warranty (or may be 2 not sure). But with Extended warranty storme can go upto 1.5L KMS and 4 years of hassle free ownership. As far as my personal expereince goes, a typical paid service of my Aria 4x4 costs around 5000 to 5500 rs (7.8L oil, air filter, oil filter, diesel filter, general checkup, washing, etc) on a 15K interval. No idea about xuv paid service costs. TML gives 5 free service for storme at 1K, 5K, 15K, 30K and 45K, that means your free service time goes upto 60K kms ie almost three years of ownership.

Both vehicle seems solid in construction and built quality is evenly matched, but quality of stuff used inside the cabin in storme scored a bit over XUV, the plastic feel and its fit and finish is better in Storme but XUV cabin especially dash has better design. But the switches dont feel tactile and as solid as storme's interior. Storme interior has less parts which will rattle or will loose their sheen over a period of 2-3 years. Storme is made to take more abuse than XUV and after seeing its off road videos and the rough use capabilities it can be conclude that in long term Storme will last long as compare to XUV.

Verdict: Personal Choice
If my budget is around 12-13L OTR for a vehicle than i'll close my eyes and will go for Storme EX or may be Storme Lx and use the extra money for accesories like Bull bar, lights, tents, sleeping bag, sub woofer, etc. Would love to own 4x4 LX (if launched) at a price point of 10.8L ex showroom delhi.

If i can stretch the budget to 14 or 15L than i would opt for XUV W6 or W8 for its gadgets, features, etc. But i can also go for Storme 4x4 VX just due to its practicality as an off roader and MAcho Appeal which is missing in XUV.

VFM Tag goes to Storme Lx and Ex and why because of their price point and being a no nonsense off roading machine with real macho and classy looks.

 

[navnit013]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

I hope TATA provide an off-road pack. With mounts for spare wheel at the rear, differential guard, heavy duty auxiliary lamps, winches etc. That would increase the Stormes appeal a lot.

To talk about the reliability, TATAs have been reliable for some time now (well, atleast for me). The thing is most people shouting over the roof about TATAs reliability have not even owned one.

I had a SUMO, that clocked more than 200000 kms (was too young to drive but old enough to understand the workings), Then owned an Indigo that covered 125000+ kms, Now own a Sumo Grande thats covered 45000 kms to date. I've never had a reliability issue with those cars.

AND as for electronic safety features, no matter what you add. If therz a IDIOT behind the wheel, nothings going to save you. I believe the best safety feature is a good driver himself.

AS I said earlier, Unless you are a fan of electronic gadgets, therz no reason why you should pick XUV over the SAFARI STORME.

 

[Superbad]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@Superbad & Iron Rock, please do not be under such surprise please, I am aware of such videos posted by Superbad and the link given by IR there, I am very much concerned on the safety front of any vehicle, but never support man made intentional mistakes and expect electronics to save you. I am very clear on this and I can assure you I have read much data on ESP,ABS,EBD,Airbags, BUT we have some differentiation here that the conditions in those western or other countries differ a lot and may be such things proved well over there, but Indian conditions are quite different and the driving culture too, so my question is very simple, keeping the theory part a side, just think bit practically and tell me how many times we come across such situations in India and how really they are useful for us. Please do not get emotional on this, just you can answer bit plainly with reasoning for my learning also for others who are with my view.

accidents occur when a obstruction arrives which the driver may have not anticipated
it will always be noteworthy that driver stays in control of the vehicle at all times even when doing emergency manouvers, which might prevent a crash in the first place.

posting some excerpts of link IR posted

How effective is ESC in preventing crashes?
In Institute studies, ESC has been found to reduce fatal single-vehicle crash risk by 49 percent and fatal multiple-vehicle crash risk by 20 percent for cars and SUVs. Many single-vehicle crashes involve rolling over, and ESC effectiveness in preventing rollovers is even more dramatic. It reduces the risk of fatal single-vehicle rollovers by 75 percent for SUVs and by 72 percent for cars. 1 Federal studies also show large benefits. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates the installation of ESC reduces single-vehicle crashes of cars by 32 percent and single-vehicle crashes of SUVs by 57 percent. NHTSA estimates that ESC has the potential to prevent 72 percent of the car rollovers and 64 percent of the SUV rollovers that would otherwise occur in single-vehicle crashes. 2

ESC also has great potential to prevent rollover crashes of large trucks.. NHTSA estimates that ESC on large trucks could prevent 40 to 56 percent of rollovers and 14 percent of loss-of-control crashes. 3

in that case preventing a rollover is more critical then a experiencing body roll.

and no matter how dynamically correct an SUV is , it will be a candidate for rollover under sharp cornering.

ESP takes care of this hence it is much more advantageous.