Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[Iron Rock]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

ferrari fan you are reading it wrong. What superbad meant was R&D investment in setting a monocoque setup is much higher, you both are simply viewing two different sides of the same coin.

It could help instead if both of you step back and understand the misunderstanding. (For world peace!)

 

[Vinu]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Haven't driven any of the two. But my take on the looks would be as below.

Xuv: Modern sleek design. Not the most handsome, but not a bad looker.

Storme: Outdated decade old design. Doesn't look retro either.

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@IR, yes you are right, but I had been saying this since quite some time as if one want to write something useful, then write in a way that it can be understood by everybody very easily, the problem comes when one do some kind of arm twist while expressing his view, then all the misunderstanding and misinterpretation is being done and thread runs into some pages, by the time we realise.

My humble request to everybody as thread starter, please express your views bit clear and straight so that we could have some nice informative discussion here

thanks in advance !!

 

[Raja]

Here is a snap shot of safari storme page in Facebook . If we take the Facebook page just as a small indicator the dated looks are infact quite appreciated by people it seems.
And Facebook page of xuv 5oo a block buster product which outsold every sedan in its price bracket since its debut brining fortunes to mahindra and mahindra .

 

[jagrover]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

May be off topic..
R&D cost for XUV is Rs.650 Cr..
Mahindra XUV 500 launched at a starting price of Rs 10.8 lakh - Economic Times

Can any one show some light towards R&D cost of STORME..

 

[Superbad]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

Sorry for going OT
Superbad,
If Body on ladder chassis was cheaper,why would budget cars like the Tata nano have monocoque chassis?

that is no justification for price to the car because for a realistic judgement we need to compare similar price brackets.
Why a quanto is cheap than a duster or an ertiga.
All those vehicles share parts from different cars.

The fact is monocoque need more participation of robots in their construction process.

Regarding the drive report and seeing the pictures of the tyres, i get a feeling that they are overinflated.

Hence the bumpy ride.

 

[Theferrarifan]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

that is no justification for price to the car because for a realistic judgement we need to compare similar price brackets.
Why a quanto is cheap than a duster or an ertiga.
All those vehicles share parts from different cars.

The fact is monocoque need more participation of robots in their construction process.

Regarding the drive report and seeing the pictures of the tyres, i get a feeling that they are overinflated.

Hence the bumpy ride.

There is a lot more that decides a cars pricing,in quantos case-
Its engine is derived from a Scorpio
Its chassis and body work is from the Xylo. So its RnD is not as much of the ertiga. And it does not offer the quality standards of ertiga.

Duster is priced so expensive because renault knows that it will still sell.
Robots are actually cheaper in the long run. Only expensive cars like Rolls Royce are handmade.

And regarding the tyre inflation, three of my cousins own an XUV. All of the cars were bumpy.

 

[MrRanger]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

that is no justification for price to the car because for a realistic judgement we need to compare similar price brackets.
Why a quanto is cheap than a duster or an ertiga.
All those vehicles share parts from different cars.

The fact is monocoque need more participation of robots in their construction process.

Regarding the drive report and seeing the pictures of the tyres, i get a feeling that they are overinflated.

Hence the bumpy ride.

Make us educate if you have some detailed document for this,
As you said for monocoque more robots required then its clear that the automation in building monocoque is more, most of the things done by robots with less effort and more production. so monocoque should to be cheap right???

My friend I answered in the way you see the things, I have more detailed answer for this monocoque vs BOF but I have no mood to post it since im sleepy and im afraid where this discussion leads.

coming to this thread, it doesnt matter whether MnM build monocoque for first time and tata used arias but fact is RnD will be there always it is not only when they are planning new product, Tata is spending loads of money in building pixel and megapixel,
even TATA spend loads of time in testing storme so the result, but this is missing in XUV it seems.

Point is monocoque is not a NEW THING TO SPEND MORE ON RnD, it is as old as we now, MnM already had there hands on logan that time too.

Nothing is great if it comes to XUV making.

 

[Superbad]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

Make us educate if you have some detailed document for this,
As you said for monocoque more robots required then its clear that the automation in building monocoque is more, most of the things done by robots with less effort and more production. so monocoque should to be cheap right???

My friend I answered in the way you see the things, I have more detailed answer for this monocoque vs BOF but I have no mood to post it since im sleepy and im afraid where this discussion leads.

coming to this thread, it doesnt matter whether MnM build monocoque for first time and tata used arias but fact is RnD will be there always it is not only when they are planning new product, Tata is spending loads of money in building pixel and megapixel,
even TATA spend loads of time in testing storme so the result, but this is missing in XUV it seems.

Point is monocoque is not a NEW THING TO SPEND MORE ON RnD, it is as old as we now, MnM already had there hands on logan that time too.

Nothing is great if it comes to XUV making.

AutoZine Technical School - Chassis

a new car needs a new automation process.

BOF can be modified and still a new automation process wont be needed.

sure if that car is to be produce for over 15 years in the same design then it would turn out to be cheaper to build.

Although monocoque is suitable for mass production by robots, it is nearly impossible for small-scale production. The setup cost for the tooling is too expensive - big stamping machines and expensive mouldings. I believe Porsche is the only sports car specialist has the production volume to afford that.

 

[Theferrarifan]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

AutoZine Technical School - Chassis

a new car needs a new automation process.

BOF can be modified and still a new automation process wont be needed.

sure if that car is to be produce for over 15 years in the same design then it would turn out to be cheaper to build.

Agreed that XUV RnD on its chassis is quite expensive but I am sure Mahindra will use the XUV platform later. Its not so that monocoque chassis cant be modified. Eg- Ertiga(based on swift). Its not always that a new car needs everything new.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

I Know it is a crime to post an ownership review without pics, and here is my bail application....

Above quote is dragged from my manza ownership thread,which shows pics (no.10,11,12,13,14) of ceiling mounted lcd /dvd player. Cost me Rs 8 k approx.

2 DIN can be deal breaker for some as the centre console is bit bland with that 1 DIN Alpine unit. Addition of 2 DIN is welcome.?

Now , sunfilm's opacity being banned and more and more transparency compelled by hon.SC, the light will fall on the central console 2din screen(4x7inches), would it be good experience to view the movie on it? Those who have experienced it in morning and afternoon time , please enlighten me.
Instead, larger size ceiling mounted , lcd screen can avoid the external daylight falling on it and give better theatre effect as experienced by me in my car.Also inbuilt cd changing option makes it passenger friendly to use and driver friendly too as the cd can be changed by front or rear (middle in suv) passengers without disturbing driver's concentration.Also in storme due enormous headroom, it will be advantageous.

My XUV owner neighbour had to fit headrest mounted screens for middle and back passengers as it was painful for them to view the central console screen with necks continuously flexed toward midline (barring the mid middle passenger), also' small screen'experience of 2 din was poor.Also whenever gps was on , children use to show
resentment due to sudden discontinuation of the movie.And it was not apt for him

to get apint single larger ceiling mounted screen fitted as the head room is not that good.

 

[Vishwas]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

better to get the qoute directly from some dealer if you can

I don't post simply with the imaginary price figures, the mentioned prices is indeed a quote from Aadya motors Bangalore, i have the whole list but i am unable to find it, nevertheless i am not finding time, please give me some time, will post by this afternoon, and that would surprise the prospective buyers of Storme in Bangalore.

 

[hari_hyderabadi]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

IMO, each of these SUV has their own charisma. We have many hardcore Safari fans out here and people still prefer its dated/contemporary design and muscular looks.

On the other hand, XUV 500 is all new vehicle with modern technology. I think, gadgets filled in XUV are the only things that make for its price. Performance has little to do with the reputation of the vehicle.

 

[dharmesh]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

I think for a common man, an obvious choice would be XUV5OO. Reasons being

1. New design.
2. Nicely laid out dashboard.
3. Gizmos.
4. Feel good factor when entering the driver seat.

But for Storme.

1. Years old Storme, with new facelift kind of thing. For normal person, there is not much change until he goes into detail of Storme.
2. Atleast they should have provided cover to the music system.
3. No sixth gear
4. No 2DIN as now it is new trend of getting 2 DIN system.

And for me, if I have to drive mainly in cities and occasionally on highways (that also not much bad roads) I would straight away go and buy XUV500. But I always like to explore the difficult places and in that situation I would go for Storme.

I have not driven XUV5OO, but looking at the reports I feel it would be bumpy on bad roads, and know what Punto have actually spoiled me for better ride quality.

 

[MrRanger]

Re: Storm Vs XUV 500 - which one to choose

AutoZine Technical School - Chassis

a new car needs a new automation process.

BOF can be modified and still a new automation process wont be needed.

sure if that car is to be produce for over 15 years in the same design then it would turn out to be cheaper to build.

My point was simple. MnM designed XUV on board first, anyways this monocoque design is not invented by MnM so they just need to have machines(robot) and their comupetrs loaded with new software according to products design information to control robots movement right.

Automation is required for BOF also, problem with BOF is only Automation is not enough it also reqires some manual work or assembly process.

May be BOF has flexibility to reuse the existing platform and monocoque too, for example CRV is based on accord.

So we no need to proud of MnM RnD cost because its not new and monocoque is a strong base for Xovers and almost all Xover SUVs in the world is built on Monocoque with some lose in offroad performance.