Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[Iron Rock]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Gentlemen lets get a few facts right and close chapters, unnecessary stretching of debates yields to just readers getting lost in grammar and semantics and long replies.

Disc brakes are no doubt the modern way to go for cars/SUVs etc, however stopping distance with disc brakes is not essentially better than disc/drum combo. So unless someone can share actual stopping distances of each of vehicle in question , i see no point in stretching an already long chewing gum(it doesnt taste good after a few mins anyways).

The ramp angle cannot be 65 degrees simply put its very clear visually, hardly anyone will try that in a public event as its very risky - so lets not further debate the hell out of it.

@ Vipul I see you are seeking answer to some questions , but if you feel they arent answered rather you might rather give the answer and close it there, whats the point in stretching , a stretched debate only result in a few pages of junk(literally) - so lets post some facts and leave it at it.

Most importantly the thread is not meant to have one conclusion on whether Scorpio or XUV or Storme or a Bullock cart is the ultimate vehicle, its about the facts(largely they dont change they only get twisted), so lets leave it at it.

And really what the president drives or your local corporator drives - does it really matter in the context of the thread? Are we going to stoop to their level and play petty politics(not wanting to generalize as they are good politicians as well) ?

Buy what you like its your money, lets move on from here. Lets keep it constructive.

 

[navnit013]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@ superbad

looks like you hate TATA to your bone.

Just cos 2015 Scorpio will be better than Safari, It doesnt mean SAFARI is a bad product today. If you are in the market to buy a SUV today, you dont postpone your purchase plan by 3 years in hope of buying a better product then. You buy what suits you, and what is the best option as per you in todays market.

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Dear Friends,

As the thread starter/owner I wish to remind certain things here which will keep the thread intact with its subject

It is seen that lot of off topic things being discussed once again here !!

The thread purpose : Just to have the "Subjective" opinions of the members on both the vehicles with their experience of driving them are just seeing them in the showrooms. The one I started with my first post here which is my subjective opinion on both.

I am not really striving to see the objective opinions here as most of the time they look like "forcefully posted to be objective" and not the real personal feeling after looking at a vehicle or after having a ride.

This thread is not to discuss about safety aspects of the vehicles, its deeper theory, their effects, not to get into to serious deeper discussion on other features like ABS, ESP, Chassis etc., for that members are open to start dedicated threads and continue their discussions there.

This thread is just to have the experiences of both the vehicles and some simple comparison which is understood by any common visitor here and not to have serious debates or arguments. Please post your view with your personal experience and answer to questions in crisp.

This thread is limited to discuss about TATA Safari Storm and Mahindra XUV 500 only and please refrain to bring in Scorpio,Safari and others here and start talking about them deeper and debate on them.

The opinions researched on internet on various forums, reports are not seriously required in this thread. Only real time experiences(by looking at the vehicles directly can form some opinions like exterior, interiors, space and others, by driving the vehicle can form opinions like power, pickup, comfort, driving experiences like brakes, suspension feel, steering feel, high speeds, lane cutting etc.,) are welcome !! No space for assumptions at all and do not try to present the specifications again and again with are known to everybody.

Finally I request you to follow the above, to keep the thread bit clean with some real time experiences of both vehicles from the members and which will serve the purpose of the meaning of thread seriously

Request to Mods : Sirs, please see that this is maintained on this thread and make the thread a good benchmark to the visitors to have an understanding of both the vehicles, in turn will help them to finalise their buying decision

 

[Superbad]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

dint understand a single word of your post kindly will you explain again ? What cross questions are you talking about ?
I was asked what features storme lx has I posted what it has more then Scorpio sle. Why all disc brakes are better i have posted above along with link . And my reason why abs with 4 Chanel is superior to 3 Chanel.

what made you speechless buddy ?

i got a different answer

Why Manufacture still prefer drum brakes at rear.

1.They provide "self-applying characteristics" (a sort of positive feedback amplification of the brake force). I.e. contrary to disc brakes drum brakes as a rule do NOT need servo assistance. Real advantage is when the assist is lost.

2. "Drum brakes are still often used for handbrakes as it has proved very difficult to design a disc brake suitable for holding a car when it is not in use."
3.Drum brakes have more linear heat dissipation coefficient than disk due to convention and surface area.

Above is partial reasons for why large hauling trucks comes with drum brakes to this date.

Dear Friends,

As the thread starter/owner I wish to remind certain things here which will keep the thread intact with its subject

It is seen that lot of off topic things being discussed once again here !!

The thread purpose : Just to have the "Subjective" opinions of the members on both the vehicles with their experience of driving them are just seeing them in the showrooms. The one I started with my first post here which is my subjective opinion on both.

I am not really striving to see the objective opinions here as most of the time they look like "forcefully posted to be objective" and not the real personal feeling after looking at a vehicle or after having a ride.

This is not to discuss about safety aspects of the vehicles, its deeper theory, their effects, not to get into to serious deeper discussion on other features like ABS, ESP, Chasis etc., for that members are open to start dedicated threads and continue their discussions there.

This thread is just to have the experiences of both the vehicles and some simple comparison which is understood by any common visitor here and not to have serious debates or arguments. Please post your view with your personal experience and answer to questions in crisp.

This thread is limited to discuss about TATA Safari Storm and Mahindra XUV 500 only and please refrain to bring in Scorpio,Safari and others here and start talking about them deeper and debate on them.

Finally I request you to follow the above, to keep the thread bit clean with some real time experiences of both from the members and which will serve the purpose of the meaning of thread seriously

Request to Mods : Sirs, please see that this is maintain on this thread and make the thread a good benchmark to the visitors to have an understand of both the vehicles, in turn will help them to finalise their buying decision

the title is misleading to that effect.

the title says which of the two an XUV or a storme is the one to be chosen.

naturally the discussion will feature all aspects of both cars.

if it had been a drive report, surely all experiences were taken into account.

@ superbad

looks like you hate TATA to your bone.

Just cos 2015 Scorpio will be better than Safari, It doesnt mean SAFARI is a bad product today. If you are in the market to buy a SUV today, you dont postpone your purchase plan by 3 years in hope of buying a better product then. You buy what suits you, and what is the best option as per you in todays market.

i am not the one saying to wait for the future scorpio.

i have no qualms against tatas.

heck we are considering getting a vista as a second car for my sis in goa. just for the AMC advantage.

even earlier all i have said is vis a vis features to car launch in 2012. the storme makes for a perfect car if it had been launched 3 years ago.

rest everyone is entitled to their opinions.

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

@ vipul.
This should help.

Gradient, Slope, Grade, Pitch, Rise Over Run Ratio Calculator

Choose grade and in input grade section enter 65. It will show you the angles 31 degrees and 40 degrees depending on the formula used.

Please note: this is for the ideal condition.

Thanks buddy, now I got you.
Yes, gradient can be 65 but not slope angle. And same is the case here I guess, it looks like the person mentioned gradient only.
BTW, ideal conditions are not possible(anything ideal from life to wife..nothing).

Disc brakes are no doubt the modern way to go for cars/SUVs etc, however stopping distance with disc brakes is not essentially better than disc/drum combo. So unless someone can share actual stopping distances of each of vehicle in question , i see no point in stretching an already long chewing gum(it doesnt taste good after a few mins anyways).

It was a question gone unanswered for long and hence I was just seeking its answer(still haven't got it).

The ramp angle cannot be 65 degrees simply put its very clear visually, hardly anyone will try that in a public event as its very risky - so lets not further debate the hell out of it.

Why it can't be 65 degrees? Instead it is a very good way of displaying the real capabilities of a vehicle.
BTW, since you was not present in the even then how can you claim that it wasn't 65 degree when already a well reputed member of ours has experienced it??

@ Vipul I see you are seeking answer to some questions , but if you feel they arent answered rather you might rather give the answer and close it there, whats the point in stretching , a stretched debate only result in a few pages of junk(literally) - so lets post some facts and leave it at it.

If I'd have known the answers then why I'd have asked those questions??

 

[MrRanger]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

6'5!! Man, I am now thinking how many people I know of that height.
Leave aside Storme and XUV, how you live in the rear of Laura or City??
But yes, you agree that if the road is well laid then XUV also has a flat ride, right?


No doubt, the side ramp is at 45 degree and hence they show that car can be inclined at that angle. 100% agree.


Hmm, right you are and since you are a well reputed member so I believe it completely. But, kindly have a look at this pic:
View attachment 77619
I saw the pics posted by you and Vishwas both, tried all the weirdest possible things too like putting protractor on my screen etc etc and at the end I never found the angle above 25-30 degree max. There are pics taken from various angles and videos too..I checked all.
It can be 65 by only one way... 90-25 = 65!!


One very simple question:
Which is the steepest angle you have ever driven on and which car? It will be very nice if you mention road too.

If you can confirm both Audi and Storme pics taken in same angle then I take back my post, I can set camera angle to show main ramp in terrapod as 80 degree too.
So please stop this comparison with other pics taken by some others and at different angles. it will be more subjective if you compare like this.

Vipul lets continue this discussion in official review thread and RK sorry for OT.

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

i asked it to a person who has more knowledge in that field, instead he asked me another question.

why do heavy duty trucks still have drum brakes at the rear?

anybody who has knowledge about trucks can pitch in here. i will be expecting an answer within an hour or so.



installing fog lamps and rear wash and wipe means fiddling with the electricals.

i am not sure if those will be honoured by TASS if electricals go wrong under warranty when done from outside.




i was told to not speak until i do a TD.


Again let me repeat , in 2015 Scorpio can outclass storme in practically every department and it must only then we as consumers will get a better products , but as of now storme is a better and refined product and our official review also says that .
now this part we can agree to disagree ,since if one likes Scorpio to the core no amount of convincing will make him like the storme and vice a versa


glad you said that . i was told that i am the only one who have seen safari being used by politicians.

that politicians prefer a scorpio (subjective opinion of some).

that the chamchas use a scorpio.

i tried to avoid naming person but since you have done it . i can add our local MP mr. sanjay nirupam uses a pajero as a personal ride and the convoy uses a safari.

i hope you get the drift.

our member mukesh is installing fog lamps from dealer itself . I said I don't know about washer and wiper,I said armrest can be installed.

Are we now comparing heavy duty trucks here ? I thought it was between Scorpio and storme right. and you asked me about features right ?



Well if you take a test drive of all 3 vehicles will be appreciated,but you have not so the problem. so from now on lets only talk after you take a test drive ok ? Btw did drive the xuv atleast ?

Well politicians I can answer but will respect ironrock and his request and stay quiet and let the thread flow smoothly.

It seems you are taking this too personally and by heart don't try and make this a religion kind of issue ,we are automobile lovers and lets be that and whole heartedly appreciate the cars and their inherent weaknesses and strength ,iam here just talking about Scorpio not the Scorpio which your family has bought by their hard earn money. kindly please understand this .

 

[Iron Rock]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Why it can't be 65 degrees? Instead it is a very good way of displaying the real capabilities of a vehicle.
BTW, since you was not present in the even then how can you claim that it wasn't 65 degree when already a well reputed member of ours has experienced it??


If I'd have known the answers then why I'd have asked those questions??

This is a public event , i have seen the terrapod setup in pune, 65 degree ramp angle could have a major liability attached - its simply not worth the risk.

Yes please wait patiently for someone to answer, in a forum there is no guarantee of an answer. You got to be patient and polite.

 

[Superbad]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

our member mukesh is installing fog lamps from dealer itself . I said I don't know about washer and wiper,I said armrest can be installed.

Are we now comparing heavy duty trucks here ? I thought it was between Scorpio and storme right. and you asked me about features right ?

does that account the increase in costs installing those fog lamps?

it helps us to realise if all disc brakes helps in braking performance.

if not then it can be counted as a showoff feature.

Well if you take a test drive of all 3 vehicles will be appreciated,but you have not so the problem. so from now on lets only talk after you take a test drive ok ? Btw did drive the xuv atleast ?

i am under the weather (cold and cough), hence do not expect anything from me at the earliest.

 

[MrRanger]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Gentlemen lets get a few facts right and close chapters, unnecessary stretching of debates yields to just readers getting lost in grammar and semantics and long replies.

Disc brakes are no doubt the modern way to go for cars/SUVs etc, however stopping distance with disc brakes is not essentially better than disc/drum combo. So unless someone can share actual stopping distances of each of vehicle in question , i see no point in stretching an already long chewing gum(it doesnt taste good after a few mins anyways).

Before closing this discussion I want to clear some point which Raja had mentioned, Raja was not particularly talked about stopping distance, as we know drum brakes are very bad in wet condition and there is chance to enter water inside drum and lock. in hot condition heat sink problem is more. Rajas point was simple Disk brakes are more reliable than drums. All round disk brake of STORME is superior than age old brakes. Plus for STORME.

The ramp angle cannot be 65 degrees simply put its very clear visually, hardly anyone will try that in a public event as its very risky - so lets not further debate the hell out of it.

it is your subjective conclusion and there is no proof to say it cannot be, I never claimed it is exact 65 degree I just present it
So you cannot conclude this, but we can stop this discussion.

And really what the president drives or your local corporator drives - does it really matter in the context of the thread? Are we going to stoop to their level and play petty politics(not wanting to generalize as they are good politicians as well) ?

Buy what you like its your money, lets move on from here. Lets keep it constructive.

Rajas point was just to highlight the comfort and ride quality of safari, it doesnt mean that we should reach their level. I guess it is inline with this thread since it is highlighting Ride comfort of SAFARI DNA

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

it helps us to realise if all disc brakes helps in braking performance.

if not then it can be counted as a showoff feature.





i am under the weather (cold and cough), hence do not expect anything from me at the earliest.

Bu t the comparo is with storme and Scorpio not trucks ( its effective in trucks or not is not a point here ) and since you have not even driven the storme what's the point even to discuss with you , so you get well soon from cold and cough whenever in life you get time test drive the storme if possible then we will discuss about the brakes .

@all
As in my earlier post I had mentioned in my subjective view storme lx is a vfm option then Scorpio sle , the storme looks upmarket , rich then the scorpio is superbly comfortable and has a superb ride quality comes with features like all disc brakes and 4 Chanel abs which I feel are amazing and are more effective then Scorpio in my expreince , and handles better then the boat like Scorpio .

readers can go if interested take test drive and form their own opinion , including space , comfort , paint look , fit and finish , interiors the quality of it and decide which is more VFM .

 

[bhargav]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Respected members,

i have used scorpio for 3 years and i can with certainty say storme brakes are more effective then xuv forget scorpio any person can drive and instantly feel the difference. that was the main reason i stayed away from xuv and also we have 2 already in our family so i know how many times it goes to service station for rattles and niggles. 1 xuv has its sun visor changed 2 times and mahindra has used cheap quality interiors and components.

well i dont agree with the thread starter on high speed stability but then it his personal opinion but atleast he hss driven.

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Respected members
i have used scorpio for 3 years and i can with certainty say storme brakes are more effective then xuv forget scorpio any person can drive and instantly feel the difference. that was the main reason i stayed away from xuv and also we have 2 already in our family so i know how many times it goes to service station for rattles and niggles. 1 xuv has its sun visor changed 2 times and mahindra has used cheap quality interiors and components.

well i dont agree with the thread starter on high speed stability but then it his personal opinion.

Sir , see this forum is like a family , and if there are heated arguments its just for the car in question , there is nothing personal here . We members have met in person also and the heated opinions are about cars only and not the person .

Infact iam in Pune today and will be meeting some members of this very forum who own a tata and mahindra product and Toyota product with whom I have personally debated hard in past and will have hopefully a nice dinner today ,so please don't take it any further .

Btw please give us your nice view as the op has suggested of both the vehicles good and bad both the qualities ,that will be really helpfull .the thread is not to make any particular car winner but just write your subjective expreinces with it that is the xuv and storme only .

 

[jayadev]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Bu t the comparo is with storme and Scorpio not trucks ( its effective in trucks or not is not a point here ) and since you have not even driven the storme what's the point even to discuss with you , so you get well soon from cold and cough whenever in life you get time test drive the storme if possible then we will discuss about the brakes .

@all
As in my earlier post I had mentioned in my subjective view storme lx is a vfm option then Scorpio sle , the storme looks upmarket , rich then the scorpio is superbly comfortable and has a superb ride quality comes with features like all disc brakes and 4 Chanel abs which I feel are amazing and are more effective then Scorpio in my expreince , and handles better then the boat like Scorpio .

readers can go if interested take test drive and form their own opinion , including space , comfort , paint look , fit and finish , interiors the quality of it and decide which is more VFM .

Why so much emphasis on TD for this particular car ?

I booked both of my cars without a test drive, relying on Internet reviews and paper specs. Both of them dint let me down. (Of course previous Tata car felt quite boring after couple of thousand kms.)



Many of us know precisely how good the brakes could be,how a 0-100 in 15+sec would accelerate,how good NVH could get.

The way it is being projected here is as if Tata has underspecified and understated this car for unknown reason. Nonsense.

well i dont agree with the thread starter on high speed stability but then it his personal opinion but atleast he hss driven it not like some who are hell bent on proving the storme bad.
mr raja mr navnit
no need to spend time on the BADs and total sorry items ( tsi) its not worth members like you provide nice information across the forum keep going.

"Exaggeration is a blood relation to falsehood and nearly as blamable."

We can very well predict how good a Tata car can be in ride quality and comfort area but we equally know how dubious Tata motors is in marketing and management.

They haven't come up with something which could penetrate the target buyer of this era i.e Youth.

Let us all admit it,Mahindra did same very well with both Scorpio and Xuv. let there be no ambiguity on this.

 

[Raja]

Re: Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV500 - Which One To Choose?

Why so much emphasis on TD for this particular car ?

I booked both of my cars without a test drive, relying on Internet reviews and paper specs. Both of them dint let me down. (Of course previous Tata car felt quite boring after couple of thousand kms.)

:)].

Good to know that you booked the cars relying on Internet reviews and iam so happy to know that they dint let you down , and hope the car you choosed serve you very nice in long run and make you more happy

And great you have your opinions about tata and mahindra and they are respected . Thanx so much for telling your subjective views about the companies . Have a great day ahead .