Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[navnit013]

Clarification: XUV has scored 4 stars in Australian NCAP. Not Euro NCAP.

TATA cars which were launched in Europe have all gone through the crash test requirements. Though they dont have the NCAP ratings though.

As far as my knowledge goes, I dont think NCAP ratings are necessary for selling the car in Europe.

 

[Gurrala74]

I wonder, how many buyers will look for these NCAP ratings while buying XUV or Storme and for that matter any car[thinking]

 

[MrRanger]

If you are comparing the handling of XUV with that of sedans, unfortunately you are in a wrong place. Please start another thread and do further discussions there to avoid clutter here.

• The reality is XUV is equipped with ESP and Storme not.
• The reality is XUV has scored a 4 Star in the NCUP safety crash test but Storme hasn't.

Storme might score a 5 Star , but until and unless a crash test is performed and the rating is out, let those numbers remain in wishlist and making assumptions and provoking meaningless debate/discussions based on those assumptions is best avoided.

BTW, please provide a link to the Safari crash test rating /performance [NCAP].

P.S: I am aware that Tata Motors do have a crash test facility at its huge plant in Pune and I don't believe that Tata makes unsafe cars! Cheers

Before you say something just tell me why you need NCAP stars to discuss High speed cornering and ESP?

when people said there are some alternatives like thar and ghurkha for STORME when 4x4 is needed and people like you never told them to start new thread!!! :P

someone saying that XUV is superb safe when it comes to cornering at High speed then what I should say? should i agree and buy XUV for racing? XUV is a tall vehicle and you should know its limits and Thats the argument from my side.

 

[vipin_lalla]

Just want to share my vids of latest trip to Gangtok :D

Storme bypassed the following route without kissing the ground at any point, even though the 40km stretch was horrible with deep potholes.

Also, i had climbed Nathu-La with ease in my 1 month old baby Storme :D

West Bengal Gift to its tourist Part # 3, Safari Storme Negotiating it - YouTube
West Bengal Gift to its tourist Part # 2, Safari Storme Negotiating it - YouTube

 

[Superbad]

Before you say something just tell me why you need NCAP stars to discuss High speed cornering and ESP?

because storme is not only meant for offroad terrain.
travelling by road , crashes maybe a possibility.
since we are discussing the pros and cons of both the vehicles, their pros and cons will be discussed.safety is a critical concern.

someone saying that XUV is superb safe when it comes to cornering at High speed then what I should say? should i agree and buy XUV for racing? XUV is a tall vehicle and you should know its limits and Thats the argument from my side.

there are added safety features incorporated in the XUV which the storme does not have.

earlier even ABS was told to be an unecessary feature, with time, people understand its importance.

ESP and airbags are such features.
ESP is known to reduce the number of accidents on road.
Europe has made it mandatory by 2015 all new cars have to incorporated with ESP, regardless of it being a hatch or an SUV.

Pity in india, safety is still given secondary preference. that being a major reason for large number of fatalities in street accidents.

 

[manojodungat]

It may got ESP but do you think this 4 star is a result of ESP, ..

Before you say something just tell me why you need NCAP stars to discuss High speed cornering and ESP?

Bro,no one except you seem to have related ESP with NCAP. ESP does not protect occupants in a crash, but helps to avoid the crash in the first place.XUV has it but storme not. So the matter is over and no further discussion is needed on this, I guess.

when people said there are some alternatives like thar and ghurkha for STORME when 4x4 is needed and people like you never told them to start new thread!!! :P

No one has denied the fact that a Strome 4WD is better equipped than a XUV AWD when it comes to off-roading.
OT
Now it is upto you to take your 17 Lac + 2k kg babe to the real dirt or get a cheaper pre-owned Gypsy or Thar for pure off-road fun.Hope you get the drift

I wonder, how many buyers will look for these NCAP ratings while buying XUV or Storme and for that matter any car[thinking]

No wonder a car like Alto K10 received a zero-star adult occupant safety rating at Latin NCAP happens to be amongst the highest selling cars in our great country.Sorry for going OT but couldnot resist myself.

Pity in india, safety is still given secondary preference. that being a major reason for large number of fatalities in street accidents.

+1000

 

[singh890]

Just want to share my vids of latest trip to Gangtok :D

Storme bypassed the following route without kissing the ground at any point, even though the 40km stretch was horrible with deep potholes.

Also, i had climbed Nathu-La with ease in my 1 month old baby Storme :D

Just a little OT:
Nicee..This is why i like SUV's..Take it anywhere and cross such roads/patches without scraping your car. Nice.

I have done a patch which was like thrice bad then this one in my XUV and i literally thanked god that i own a SUV- oops Crossover. But it was fun.

 

[MrRanger]

because storme is not only meant for offroad terrain.
travelling by road , crashes maybe a possibility.
since we are discussing the pros and cons of both the vehicles, their pros and cons will be discussed.safety is a critical concern.

I never said ESP is bad for the vehicle, ESP good always so in US cars comes with ESP are only allowed to sell.

there are added safety features incorporated in the XUV which the storme does not have.

Price difference is also there so you cannot expect all safety features, for 10.3lac, storme LX offers ABS, EDB and strongly built body which is 500kg more than XUV, if both cars collides STORME transfers more collide force to XUV since XUV is weights less (its physics, dont worry for the proof Ill submit it now) so people in W4 gets more impact that STROME.
Note: here force transfered to the vehicle during collision is independent of safety features it got.

earlier even ABS was told to be an unecessary feature, with time, people understand its importance.

I never told that, I with safety features not against to them.

ESP and airbags are such features.
ESP is known to reduce the number of accidents on road.
Europe has made it mandatory by 2015 all new cars have to incorporated with ESP, regardless of it being a hatch or an SUV.

Pity in india, safety is still given secondary preference. that being a major reason for large number of fatalities in street accidents.

All XUV variants gets ESP !!!! :P

Bro,no one except you seem to have related ESP with NCAP. ESP does not protect occupants in a crash, but helps to avoid the crash in the first place.XUV has it but storme not. So the matter is over and no further discussion is needed on this, I guess.

My dear brother please look back few pages. tell me which crash test simulates ESP system in their test and gives out Stars, did NCAP has that facility?
catch the guy who took this stuff for discussion and PM him.

No one has denied the fact that a Strome 4WD is better equipped than a XUV AWD when it comes to off-roading.
OT
Now it is upto you to take your 17 Lac + 2k kg babe to the real dirt or get a cheaper pre-owned Gypsy or Thar for pure off-road fun.Hope you get the drift

Think Im a rich guy and I dont want to expose myself to wild animals in the jungle. Think Im going to some unknown places where roads are bad and fear of wild animal attack and abrupt weather conditions.


Extra weight that by itself gives the car safety advantage over lighter car, Because if two cars collides heavier car that transmits its crash force to the lighter car and people in lighter car more likely get affected in the crash.
point to 2:14sec onwards
Volt and Leaf score on crash test - Video - Business News

 

[raj_5004]

But be rest assured that it ->

Read more: Tata Safari Storme to get added features, sail overseas

Even the Nano clears crash test safety norms, according to Tata. But does that really mean a Nano with 0 airbags and no ABS is a safe car?

I wonder, how many buyers will look for these NCAP ratings while buying XUV or Storme and for that matter any car[thinking]

Now suddenly, when the XUV has an advantage over the Storme (safety features), it becomes unnecessary and not at all essential!

I was not very concerned about safety earlier, but now all my cars have and will have atleast 2 airbags and ABS.

Before you say something just tell me why you need NCAP stars to discuss High speed cornering and ESP?

Only you are getting confused bro. The reply was given to two different topics - safety and handling.

Safety because there were discussions earlier about how safe a monocoque chassis is.

Handling because there is a hot debate going about which is a better handler among the XUV and the Storme.

someone saying that XUV is superb safe when it comes to cornering at High speed then what I should say?

If you read my statements, I have mentioned that I do not corner at high speeds. Please read my posts again.

should i agree and buy XUV for racing?

Why not? Have you not seen this -

XUV is a tall vehicle and you should know its limits and Thats the argument from my side.

Of course, who denied that?

See, we are not saying XUV is the best handler among all cars. We said XUV handles better than Storme. There is a difference in what we are claiming and what you are perceiving.

Just a little OT:
Nicee..This is why i like SUV's..Take it anywhere and cross such roads/patches without scraping your car. Nice.

I have done a patch which was like thrice bad then this one in my XUV and i literally thanked god that i own a SUV- oops Crossover. But it was fun.

I was about to tell him to search in YouTube for similar videos of XUV, but I guess you answered appropriately.

 

[raj_5004]

Price difference is also there so you cannot expect all safety features, for 10.3lac,

What price difference?

Ex-showroom prices in Mumbai:

Storme VX 4x2: 13.29 Lacs
XUV5OO W8 4x2: 13.49 Lacs

For Rs. 20000/- more, you get 6 additonal airbags and ESP. And a car which surely has a 4 star crash test rating, without guessing! That is, if we are only talking about safety features.

Storme LX offers ABS, EDB and strongly built body which is 500kg more than XUV,

Storme LX: 10.75 Lacs
XUV W4: 10.83 Lacs

For Rs. 8000/- more, you get the XUV not only with ABS and EDB, but also with 2 airbags.

So dont bring the price into picture when comparing safety, the Storme is clearly overpriced for the safety features it offers.

Secondly, you are saying a body is better built if it is heavier? WRONG.

if both cars collides STORME transfers more collide force to XUV since XUV is weights less (its physics, dont worry for the proof Ill submit it now) so people in W4 gets more impact that STROME.

Tall claims bro. Colliding force will be more, but crumple zones will protect the XUV's occupants, plus the 6 airbags.

For example, a Volvo V40 is lighter than both the XUV and Storme, still it has a 5 star crash test rating...

Note: here force transfered to the vehicle during collision is independent of safety features it got.

But safety features protect the occupants in case of such an impact.

In the case of a collision with a 10 ton Volvo bus, which vehicle would you want to be in -

XUV5OO with 6 airbags
Storme LX with no airbags (it is heavier, no?)
Force One (Yes, it is chinese but much more heavier!)

All XUV variants gets ESP !!!! :P

Atleast the W8 does, you have the option of buying it.

All variants of the Storme gets airbags?

Extra weight that by itself gives the car safety advantage over lighter car, Because if two cars collides heavier car that transmits its crash force to the lighter car and people in lighter car more likely get affected in the crash.
point to 2:14sec onwards
Volt and Leaf score on crash test - Video - Business News

The safest car in the world is a Hindustan Ambassasor then!

 

[manojodungat]

My dear brother please look back few pages. tell me which crash test simulates ESP system in their test and gives out Stars, did NCAP has that facility?
catch the guy who took this stuff for discussion and PM him.

You asked for it !
1. Euro NCAP test explained : ESC aka ESP
2.Euro NCAP :ESC performance tests

The test were completed on cars whose results were released in 2009 and 2010. For cars that allowed the ESC system to be switched off, tests were carried out with ESC ON and OFF. Cars were tested by undergoing multiple runs, sometimes as much as 60 per car, each time increasing the steering angle and input. The clip shows the ‘first ESC off test’ where the car span out. The ‘ESC on test’ is the one with the same steering input. All cars tested passed the requirements according to these tests.

Think Im a rich guy ....

OT
Say rich enough to afford an SUV in the 25-30 Lac.

• If I have to buy a single vehicle,then why should even I consider a Storme when I can afford at least a Pajero Sport.
  OR
• A combination of XUV W8 AWD for regular on-road trips + a Mahindra Thar 4WD/a used Gypsy for true Offroad fun, makes more sense to me.

Extra weight that by itself gives the car safety advantage over lighter car, Because if two cars collides heavier car that transmits its crash force to the lighter car and people in lighter car more likely get affected in the crash.

 

[Raja]

Clarification: XUV has scored 4 stars in Australian NCAP. Not Euro NCAP.

But the difference in Australia and Europe must be hardly anything .

And mahindra must be applauded like tata for making the xuv like aria which has 4* safety rating too .

TATA cars which were launched in Europe have all gone through the crash test requirements. Though they dont have the NCAP ratings though.

As far as my knowledge goes, I dont think NCAP ratings are necessary for selling the car in Europe.

You are right in Europe it's not mandatory .

Euro NCAP testing is not mandatory, with vehicle models either being independently chosen by Euro NCAP or voluntarily tested by the manufacturers.[9] In Europe, new cars are certified as legal for sale under the Whole Vehicle Type Approval regimen .

Euro NCAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wonder, how many buyers will look for these NCAP ratings while buying XUV or Storme and for that matter any car[thinking]

Anybody who has the budget to spend must opt for the best possible option when it comes to safety . Infact they must take time to study the options present .

Pity in india, safety is still given secondary preference. that being a major reason for large number of fatalities in street accidents.

No wonder a car like Alto K10 received a zero-star adult occupant safety rating at Latin NCAP happens to be amongst the highest selling cars in our great country.Sorry for going OT but couldnot resist myself.

OT
India is not the only country who has this problem , there are many countries developing ones which face this problem .
Beside that safety options comes with a cost . And people who have tight budgets chosse the best possible option available as oer their budget permits them . For a family of 4 who travel on a bike graduating to a alto is like choosing luxury and safety as per their economic position .

For example the Scorpio has VLX model with airbags right ? Why people still buy lx and SLE model ? Do you think all are unaware of safety the airbags might provide them which come in VLX model ? Or they are care free people ? People choose the best possible option as per their budget in that given moment in life . When India will grow economically in large , people will grow . Even in USA and Europe not all buy cars which fully loaded safety wise .

Anyway read this ->
LATIN NCAP - FOR SAFER CARS

Sao Paulo, Brazil: 24th November 2011 - The first ever consumer crash test programme of some of the top selling cars in Latin America has shown high risk of life threatening injuries. The frontal impact tests carried out at 64kph reveal that poor structural integrity and the absence of airbags are putting the lives of Latin American motorists at risk, according to results from the latest phase of testing published today (24).
The vehicles tested by the Latin New Car Assessment Programme (Latin NCAP) show that today’s best selling cars in Latin America are providing levels of safety twenty years behind the ‘five star’ standards now common in Europe and North America. Unfortunately in Latin America ‘one star’ cars still dominate the market.

@ raj_5004

Tata nano passes the European safety test , ofcourse it will more safer if it gets airbags and abs , But it is at this moment more safer then alto . And it's cheaper then alto . Do you know any car in the budget of Nano which complies to European safety norms ??

Are you sure storme lx is 10.75 ex showroom ??? See this ->

 

[Gurrala74]

In my personal understanding and opinion Safety is always treated as 1st priority without any doubt be it any car, BUT with my personal experience I can say that I have lot of accidents happened in front of my eyes which are beyond the control of the safety features and are really fatal where none of the safety equipment has saved the occupants, WHY ?? The accident were shear neglegence of the driver and in such situation no body can save.

So Safety features are good, but in country like in India people take them in a wrong context thinking that since the car is equipped with such features, so he can abuse it the way he wanted and still he will be saved, so this kind of attitude is dangerous, hence less such features make some body drive sensibly most of the times as I will tell my own example here.

I have never took ABS so seriously while buying my Ritz, but when later on I have experienced ABS in other cars and compared the braking in my Ritz, then I have understood that what are the limits of my cars braking and what I should not do, so my driving is more careful with my car because there is no ABS kind of braking and Yes would like to go for a car in future which has ABS.

This is my explaination to the NCAP thing, if I know that the car I own is doesn't have a good rating, then I really mind when I am driving and in situations beyond my control where some thing comes and hit, then it is difficult to explain what happens exactly to my car and me, BUT at the same time I will not really too much on NCAP and go whatever the way I want on road I wish I have justified with my explanation and end this part of the episode here

 

[Raja]

Xuv - w8 -4*
W4 , w6 - how many stars ??

Storme complies to European safety standards . Safety ratings will be known only when they will release in Australia or Europe .
Storme all options relatively compared has lesser options safety wise then xuv at this point in time .

 

[manojodungat]

Anybody who has the budget to spend must opt for the best possible option when it comes to safety .Infact they must take time to study the options present .
When India will grow economically in large , people will grow .

I agree with you here.
Edit:
Today, people have become more and more safety conscious while choosing their cars and it wouldn't be any exception when it comes to safety features between XUV and Storme as well.