Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

[kinshuk.arya]

no need to buy a G sensor. just hang a pendulum from the IRVMs of both the vehicles(cant use the word SUV here ) and measure its displacement when the vehicles are taking a turn at the same speed. can be done easily on any of the roads.

Apart from the body roll and ride quality and going fast I want to know what is the behavior of Storme while panic braking at the speeds of 130-140? Want to know as last night did a high speed pass where the XUV was at 130-140 and I tried some braking (not very hard). My Conclusion is I am not taking the vehicle at those speeds again until I get some good aftermarket brake pads. The slowing down distance was a bit uncomfortable for me.

I will be testing the straight line braking distance at various speeds as soon as I get some spare time and an empty road. Will post the results.

 

[raj_5004]

What you wrote is your subjective experience or fact ?
If it's subjective then ok but if you are claiming it as a fact then there is nothing what you are mentioning happens in the storme at 80-100 speed . Absolutely nothing , it's not at all a daring maneuver as your claiming it's a normal maneuver even if you relatively compare it to the xuv .

I TD the Storme and I could not take the car at very very high speeds. Still at those speeds, I did feel a difference when compared to the XUV.

See, when I say a difference, it is not necessary that there is a "huge" difference and I do not mean the Storme will roll over or crash. But, in my personal experience with the Storme, I did notice that XUV has better handling. By how much, that is a difficult debate... similar to how much better the ride of Storme is, when compared to XUV.

And why one must try sudden lane changes for what ?

As I said, emergency situations. Braking does not help always.

Exactly , similarly storme owners too are very happy with ride + handling setup . They might feel the difference only in xuv on high speeds and not at speeds like 80-100 .

I have felt a difference even at speeds of 100!

OT ,punto has better ride quality then xuv saying because I , Superbad , dharmesh , Guralla have driven punto and xuv on exact same pot hole infact punto had a little more not much speed then xuv and the result is known to 4 of us . You can ask Superbad about the result if he remembers .

Dear Raja, Punto has the best ride quality. Where am I claiming that XUV has a better ride than the Punto?

Punto v/s i20 comparison was given to show the difference in stiff and soft suspension, like in the case of XUV and Storme respectively.

Exactly in same way storme owners or who have driven the storme many times will say at conservative high speeds 100-140 nothing effects the storme it's rock solid and stable .

Who is challenging their opinion? I am not!

The Storme back seat ride was softer and it soaked up all the bumps and I did not feel anything.The ride felt a bit wavy compared to the XUV.

The XUV back seat ride was hard.I could feel mostly everything.It handles more like a car and it felt a bit more planted compared to the Storme.This does not mean the Storme will just up and leave the road.

See, this is what I am saying - the "bit" word is bold varies from person to person.

You said the Storme's ride is a better than the XUV. Okay, agreed. But when I say the XUV's handling is a better than the Storme, why is it assumed that I am saying the "Storme will leave the road"?

When I say the Storme rolls more, it does not mean it will roll over. When I say the XUV is more balanced and eager to change directions, that again does not mean the Storme goes straight and crashes. Here, we are talking about a relative difference.

Neither of these two felt unsafe.

Am I saying the Storme is an unsafe vehicle?

If this does not satisfy your needs to argue more, what say someone sponsor a G sensor and we can find which car induces more G force in the seats.That will most definitely put an end to the argument.

Yea, the next thing would be to install gyro-meters, V-Box and all other equipments!

Apart from the body roll and ride quality and going fast I want to know what is the behavior of Storme while panic braking at the speeds of 130-140? Want to know as last night did a high speed pass where the XUV was at 130-140 and I tried some braking (not very hard). My Conclusion is I am not taking the vehicle at those speeds again until I get some good aftermarket brake pads. The slowing down distance was a bit uncomfortable for me.

I will be testing the straight line braking distance at various speeds as soon as I get some spare time and an empty road. Will post the results.

Storme has very good braking. Does your XUV have the new brake pedals and brake pads? Does the brake pedal feel spongy?

 

[kinshuk.arya]

mine are the 3rd gen Bosch pads and since there is no screeching sound even after 15k The svc did not entertain my request of Galfer brake pads Free of cost. as far as the newer brake pedal is concerned it just decreases the play which is not that big of a concern till now. I think under panic braking one just squeezes the brake pedal in an instant.

 

[Raja]

I TD the Storme and I could not take the car at very very high speeds. Still at those speeds, I did feel a difference when compared to the XUV.

See, when I say a difference, it is not necessary that there is a "huge" difference and I do not mean the Storme will roll over or crash. But, in my personal experience with the Storme, I did notice that XUV has better handling. By how much, that is a difficult debate... similar to how much better the ride of Storme is, when compared to XUV.

I personally agree that xuv will handle better then storme on very high speeds , at 80-100 iam again repeating there is nothing which will make the passengers startled in storme . Anything above 140 yes maybe .
but since its your personal experience i cant debate any further.

As I said, emergency situations. Braking does not help always.

Emergency situations can't be predicted which car will behave how and why , it also depends on the experience and skill of the driver too . A bad driver will unsettle a car with great dynamics and a good driver will control a car with not so good dynamics by not getting into panic situations in first place .

I have felt a difference even at speeds of 100!

Since it's your subjective experience we can't debate on this . It's same like gurralla finding the xuv bouncy on flat roads .

Dear Raja, Punto has the best ride quality. Where am I claiming that XUV has a better ride than the Punto?

I never said you are claiming anything , I just shared a experience mentioning OT .

Punto v/s i20 comparison was given to show the difference in stiff and soft suspension, like in the case of XUV and Storme respectively.

I know dear .

Who is challenging their opinion? I am not!

Great .

You said the Storme's ride is a better than the XUV. Okay, agreed. But when I say the XUV's handling is a better than the Storme, why is it assumed that I am saying the "Storme will leave the road"?

But you did say that passengers will be startled if lane cutting is done at normal speeds of 80-100 in storme .

When I say the Storme rolls more, it does not mean it will roll over. When I say the XUV is more balanced and eager to change directions, that again does not mean the Storme goes straight and crashes. Here, we are talking about a relative difference.

The relative difference can be on high speeds that is 140+ , at 80-100 relative difference is also negligible . And for sure nothing that will make the passengers startled . They won't even know that lane is changed .

 

[DJ bro]

Handling also includes the way the steering handles the road and gives feedback to the driver, and it is here the XUV scores down! It may be easy to zoom around corners at reasonable speeds (on really good roads), but even when a small pothole appears in between at any speeds, the XUV gets unsettled and crashes through it. Moreover the steering kicks back due to the shock! But on the other hand, at any speeds, the Storme is calm, relaxed and composed with no rude shocks transmitting to the driver! Of course, it rolls which may be a negative point for those who have been driving a hatch or a sedan, or even the XUV, but the facts that braking is weak, handling is not consistent and ride is thrashy makes the XUV not so good in handling and ride compared to the calm, composed nature of the Storme! The XUV can be really good in handling and ride only if the roads are perfectly smooth! But this is India!

 

[raj_5004]

But you did say that passengers will be startled if lane cutting is done at normal speeds of 80-100 in storme .

Yes, passengers getting startled is one thing and the car rolling over or leaving the road is another.

Anyways, to bring this debate to an end, we can only ask readers to drive both cars back to back and then do a comparison on the ride and handling. Because this relative difference and its intensity at what speeds and how dramatic it is, etc. can go on and on based on every individual's subjective experiences and priorities.

Handling also includes the way the steering handles the road and gives feedback to the driver, and it is here the XUV scores down! It may be easy to zoom around corners at reasonable speeds (on really good roads), but even when a small pothole appears in between at any speeds, the XUV gets unsettled and crashes through it. Moreover the steering kicks back due to the shock! But on the other hand, at any speeds, the Storme is calm, relaxed and composed with no rude shocks transmitting to the driver! Of course, it rolls which may be a negative point for those who have been driving a hatch or a sedan, or even the XUV, but the facts that braking is weak, handling is not consistent and ride is thrashy makes the XUV not so good in handling and ride compared to the calm, composed nature of the Storme! The XUV can be really good in handling and ride only if the roads are perfectly smooth! But this is India!

Totally respect your opinion. However, I would ask you to drive another good example of the XUV because certain phenomena which you have mentioned like steering kicking back and vehicle bouncing around on rough roads is not really true/should not happen.

Anyways, even in my car, the brakes have been spongy. The newer XUVs have been said to have better brake bite. My car is at the A.S.S. right now and they are completely revamping the braking, right from the brake pads to the master cylinder. I will give you an update on the braking once my car comes back.

 

[MrRanger]

You had mentioned the same thing a couple of pages back and I will give the same reply, but in a different way-

XUV's suspension setup - Stiff.
Cons: Crashes into potholes. Low speed ride is not very absorbent.
Pros: High speed ride and poise is great. Rolls lesser.

Storme's suspension setup - Soft.
Cons: Rolls more. Is bouncier at high speeds.
Pros: Much more absorbent. Low speed ride is great.

Its your choice to pick which one suits you more.

The above are my opinions. If someone feels the Storme has a soft suspension and a great ride and still does not even roll and the handling is great, in other words, the ride and handling is magical... then its okay, I am not in for a debate on that!



See, you posted your experiences with both the cars and I posted mine. If you think that is bias, I cant help it.

When compared to the XUV, I do find the Storme rolls more and is not as surefooted at triple digit speeds. That has been my experience with the car.

Strangely, while I am accepting that Storme has a better ride, there is no problem. But when I state XUV has better handling, that is bias for you! Should I consider your comments as bias since even you are a Safari owner?

You want to see bias - 'XUV is the best car in the world, rest all cars be damned'!



If you notice some posts back, I had mentioned in a post to Raja that I am not foolish to corner at high speeds in the XUV. I have also mentioned there what I mean by handling. It is a combination of stability, roll and cornering.



Like XUV is not built for off roading?



No problemo!

Just stating the fact that my earlier post itself contains the reply to their upcoming posts...



See, "dramatic" is a subjective word.

In that case, I would say there is not a dramatic difference in the ride quality of the Storme and the XUV! I test drove the Storme on the interior roads of Chandlivali. If you have been there, it is a really really bad section. The Storme did sway sideways on bigger potholes. But point is, there is a difference. Storme offers better ride and XUV offers better handling. Now, the intensity of the difference is difficult to measure.



See, all these things are subjective and varies based on individual experiences. Now, if I drive a Storme after driving a Scorpio, it would feel much better. If I drive it after driving an Innova, it does not stand a chance.



+10.



I have always maintained the Storme has a superior ride.

See Raja, when I am in my XUV, I am very happy with the ride. None of my friends or other occupants have complained about the ride of the XUV till now. Yes, if they sit in the Storme and then have a ride in the XUV, they may feel a difference.

Point here is - I like the current suspension setup of the XUV because it is not very uncomfortable like the Scorpio and Xylo and at the same time is stiff enough to be comfortable and stable at higher speeds with little roll.

My earlier car was a Punto - it also had a very stiff suspension. It also used to crash into potholes. Compared to that, the i20 has a softer suspension and felt pliant and more comfortable at slow speeds within city. But take the car to the highway and at those speeds, this kind of suspension shines.

I am sure almost all XUV owners will agree on one thing - at higher speeds, nothing affects the XUV. Potholes and ruts are dismissed off with a thud. Even humps and undulations of the road does not throw around the car. So, I personally do not feel XUV has a bad ride. I still agree Storme has a better ride though.



I have driven the Storme at high speeds (Eastern express highway) and that is the reason I commented.



Lets not get over enthusiastic and try dangerous driving on the road! Such maneuvers help in emergency situations, not to be practiced for the sake of a debate.

I was not saying you are a biased guy but I was saying if your unbiased you will get my point,

I was talking about high speed cornering, XUV may have bit advantage over storme but it is not as safe as sedan and not even come close, so why to risk our life.

 

[jarpickle]

The XUV got a 4 star rating in the NCAP testing.

 

[MrRanger]

The XUV got a 4 star rating in the NCAP testing.

Are they tested its cornering stability ?
Safari was one of the early cars from India passed the crash test I remember, dont know about the numbers.

 

[Superbad]

Are they tested its cornering stability ?
Safari was one of the early cars from India passed the crash test I remember, dont know about the numbers.

The XUV W8 has ESP which can even keep the car stable during extreme emergency situations. storme lacks that.

the XUV has 4 stars in the NCAP crash test. storme has not released its star rating to do a comparison.
normally crash test are performed for front and side impacts.

EN | Mahindra XUV500 with Bosch electronic stability program (ESP®) - YouTube

 

[DJ bro]

The Storme may also get the same 4 stars I think so!

 

[MrRanger]

The XUV W8 has ESP which can even keep the car stable during extreme emergency situations. storme lacks that.

the XUV has 4 stars in the NCAP crash test. storme has not released its star rating to do a comparison.
normally crash test are performed for front and side impacts.

EN | Mahindra XUV500 with Bosch electronic stability program (ESP®) - YouTube

It may got ESP but do you think this 4 star is a result of ESP , I too have little idea about this test sir,
Here discussion was High speed cornering bro, whether XUV gets ESP or not and it never come close to any sedan. why i need this stars to discuss this!
Old safari passed this test and STORME is built according to Euro norms so I assume storme got good number,

The Storme may also get the same 4 stars I think so!

I like the way you say things buddy, +100 for your confidence.

 

[Superbad]

It may got ESP but do you think this 4 star is a result of ESP , I too have little idea about this test sir,

The 4 star result is the safety determined in the event of head-on or side crash.

Here discussion was High speed cornering bro, whether XUV gets ESP or not and it never come close to any sedan. why i need this stars to discuss this!
Old safari passed this test and STORME is built according to Euro norms so I assume storme got good number,

You had asked about the cornering stability , ESP and the video above gives you pretty much idea about its cornering ability even in the emergency situations. which might help to avoid an event of crash.

Cars can pass the crash test. the quality of passing is determined by the star rating.(average, good , or very good)
duster and other SUVs too have passed the crash test with 3 star rating.
XUV does with 4 stars. since 4>3.
So comparatively XUV is a safer car than a duster.
Since the star rating of the storme is not known , the safety rating cannot be compared to the XUV.

XUV W8 has 6 airbags as compared to the 2 airbags for the storme that too only in the VX variant.

The base version of XUV has 2 airbags. Airbags ensure safety of the passengers in the event of crash. Storme from its LX and EX variant does not have airbags at all.

 

[manojodungat]

I was talking about high speed cornering, XUV may have bit advantage over storme but it is not as safe as sedan and not even come close, so why to risk our life.

Here discussion was High speed cornering bro, whether XUV gets ESP or not and it never come close to any sedan. why i need this stars to discuss this![/B]

If you are comparing the handling of XUV with that of sedans, unfortunately you are in a wrong place. Please start another thread and do further discussions there to avoid clutter here.

• The reality is XUV is equipped with ESP and Storme not.
• The reality is XUV has scored a 4 Star in the NCUP safety crash test but Storme hasn't.

Safari was one of the early cars from India passed the crash test I remember, dont know about the numbers.

The Storme may also get the same 4 stars I think so!

Old safari passed this test and STORME is built according to Euro norms so I assume storme got good number,

I like the way you say things buddy, +100 for your confidence.

Storme might score a 5 Star , but until and unless a crash test is performed and the rating is out, let those numbers remain in wishlist and making assumptions and provoking meaningless debate/discussions based on those assumptions is best avoided.

BTW, please provide a link to the Safari crash test rating /performance [NCAP].

P.S: I am aware that Tata Motors do have a crash test facility at its huge plant in Pune and I don't believe that Tata makes unsafe cars! Cheers

 

[Raja]

• The reality is XUV is equipped with ESP and Storme not.

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  Correct .
  
  [*]The reality is XUV has scored a 4 Star in the NCUP safety crash test but Storme hasn't.

Because it is not released in Europe yet like the xuv is . When it will release in Europe they will release the safety rating . The xuv too dint release the safety rating before they launched it in Europe .
But be rest assured that it ->

Will you be exporting the Safari Storme? Even for LHD markets?

It will be exported. For that matter, any of our products can be exported. Even LHD’s can be done. When we’re designing products, we’re doing it for the world market. The Safari Storme even complies to the European crash safety norms.

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