Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?

tdcarlover · Oct 20, 2013

Well, a feature of all auto websites are these well thought out discussions . However,sales figures seem to defy us often.The Aria or storme seem to be at par, or at worse slightly behind in quality and ASS than the XUV as per all our collective wisdom; sales figures suggest that the XUV is far better. The Punto was the car of the year for many auto journals -sales tanked while the old indica seems to be still chugging along. Sumo vs Bolero-close fight we say;sales say TKO (technical knock out) for the Bolero!

navnit013 · Oct 21, 2013

@superbad,

Claustrophobia occurs only when therez a sense of lack of space. ie, you wont feel claustrophobic when in a big hall. It can only happen in a confined environment.

Now XUV is 100mm narrower than the Safari, no wonder people feel claustrophobic when inside one. But then it has to be down to the interior design. XUVs interiors are designed to give you an impression of being cocooned.

And Raj, neither innova nor the Xylo can seat seven people and carry their luggage too. And ARIA can do it.

TrafficHacker · Oct 21, 2013

@Raja - I had no intentions to hurt any Storme owners feelings, If I did so or am doing so in this post, my sincere apologies.
But let me clarify couple of my incomplete/ misinterpreted points:-

Raja said:

The wavy movement am talking about is the combination of the body-roll on uneven roads and the common up and down movement when applying brakes. I never felt it comfortable in Storme.

This could be subjective, I think it could be due to the dark color combination in XUV and the beige interior in Storme that make the difference for some people. Me, my family and friends never felt so till date.
Regarding the commanding seating and visibility, I do not think XUV is inferior.
Coming to the Turning radius, there is no major difference XUV has 5.6m & Storme had 5.4m, personally have not felt that much difference or difficulty yet.
Car like drive-ability for XUV and the fact that Storme is hard to maneuver in city is well known and everybody had the same comment and I had the personal feel of it as well.

May be true, am not denying it, but I have just mentioned my personal experience here. Also have seen many people with Safari Dicor complaining about the squeaking.
Now, dont say this is not true, coz I have read it in this forum and other forums also.
All Storme that I have seen (TD done on 3 different cars) had the same problem as well, but the XUVs I have driven never had.
So till I encounter one, will stand my ground.

If you notice the issues reported by the early XUV customers there really were a lot from first week of ownership itself.
But if you see XUVs rolled out on to the road in 2013, the owners have very less complaints.
M&M is able to address and iron out all the issues reported, Am proud to say that M&M & XUV has come long way from the day of launch and to say I own a XUV.

I have seen this guy's comments in Facebook, he is a frustrated soul and I feel sorry for him. May be he is not doing the right thing in escalating or conveying the facts with the M&M.
There are thousands of people who have faced issues with their XUVs and have them all sorted out.
Or may be he was an unlucky guy who really got a lemon.
And there are instances of many people who have been complaining in similar tone about Safari dicor as well.

This again is subjective, some people see this as classic looks, for me this is out dated crude look.
The interior looks doesnt look as if it belongs to this era at all to me.
Its clearly out dated and not what the market wants in the current day and even hard core Safari fans agree to this fact.

If you still feel that its my biased & prejudiced thoughts that am trying to impose here, I do not have words to explain you any better. [I would request the other XUV owners here to comment/substantiate their thoughts]
But in turn would like to request you to explain me your thoughts on why the Storme sales figures are nose diving and doing much worse than Aria and XUV doing far far better.
Storme is never a competition for XUV in my opinion and the Market says so loud & clear...
Personally I havent till day seen more than 5 Stormes on the Bangalore roads since it is launched, out of which 3 were TD vehicles only.
Whereas XUVs are everywhere on the road, inspite of many people advocating and advertising against XUV in many social media portals as you had mentioned in your post.

End of the day, its all about personal choices and priorities.
People choose based on their TD experience and not only by reading reviews, they put-in their brains too and hence the sales figures for Storme vs XUV.
In my perspective and in my priorities XUV was much better than Storme and I took my decision.

Raja · Oct 22, 2013

TrafficHacker said:

No need to apologize you dint hurt anybody's feelings . Relax it's a discussion so no one must take it on personal level .

This unheard of . Today itself we drove the storme on uneven roads and flyovers and there was nothing wavy absolutely nothing wavy .

Interiors yes and also because of the roof line , it was tested today since we had xuv and storme both . And yes it can be subjective .

Let raj_5004 comment on this .

Well known fact for whom ? And which. Everyone are you talking about ? It's purely subjective . Some are confident in seeing the edge of the bonet which is seen in storme and Scorpio and not seen in xuv .

This thread about safari or storme ? Let me tell you again both cars are built on different platforms . Shall I bring Scorpio problems here in a xuv thread ?

So will I stay on my ground . Since not a single storme had a problem and the xuv had .

Edit - one storme had the rear ac vent rattling but it was a 4x4 vs storme badly abused storme used in off-roading events .

Kindly see the links I will post below .

July 2013 made xuv are stranded in middle of roads . And kindly see the images I will attach .

You being proud to own a xuv is great I respect that .

About mahindra coming long way or not is still debatable .

Kindly see down what iam going to post .

Again This thread is of storme vs xuv and not the safari dicor vs xuv . Kindly don't bring safari here now and then or else others will bring Scorpio .

Some find the xuv jaazy and wannbe looking and storme classic looking .

How did you decide what the market wants ? Have you done any market research ? And which hardcore safari fans you know ? Kindly don't generalize , say it's your opinion and that too subjective .

I never said your thoughts are prejudiced or biased , the readers might decide that . Rest assured iam not judging you .

Are you sure storme sales are worse then aria ?

Again talk about yourself and not the market .

And it proves nothing .

Again it proves nothing .

True agree with you .

What has Brain anything to do with sales figure ? Does that mean alto owners have higher IQ ?

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Great and congrats for that .

Now kindly read the below post and tell me do you think these guys have used their brains or not ???? And are proud or not of their choice ??? Read this and also the dates ->

Source
Complain against Mahindra XUV 500 and Punjab Automobiles

raj_5004 · Oct 22, 2013

navnit013 said:

The Aria has way lesser space in the third row when compared to the Innova and Xylo. So if these cars cant, then the Aria DEFINITELY cant!

As I said above, having luggage space behind the third row of seats does not make the car a true 7 seater!

Raja said:

Regarding the visibility, I personally have no issues in the XUV. Maybe I am used to the car or whatever, but I feel confident because of its high seating position.

Storme does offer a more commanding seating position though, because you are seated even higher and you can see the bonnet very clearly in the Storme, like all SUVs. In the XUV, you have to stretch to see the corner of the far side of the bonnet, not ideal in bumper to bumper traffic.

Storme is a true blue SUV whereas XUV is a crossover. I feel the beauty of the XUV lies in the fact that it tries to offer you the best of both worlds - sedan and SUV. It is not a low slung sedan, yet it is not as heavy or bulky as a SUV. So, if you want a proper SUV in this segment, go for the Storme. But if you are ready to compromise a bit of ride for superior handling or a bit of the bulk/presence for better acceleration, then the XUV it is.

Raja · Oct 22, 2013

TrafficHacker said:

what about these guys ? is the improvement in leaps and bounds the way you are making us belive ?.

@ all

what we personally want to belive or think is a totally different from what actually happens in real world .
if we see the complaints all around the web world its easy to see that tata and mahindra are two sides of the same coin , means equally good and equally bad .

both have their strategy like " with you hamesha " and " horizon next " it works sometimes and sometimes it just does not work . the service is premium at times and at times nothing short of horrible provided by both .

the effort and intention to excel is there from both , at times they excel and at times they do not .

there are some clear cut advantages of storme over the xuv and vice a versa . so kindly research all around , check your priorities and then decide what suits you the most on all parameters and enjoy the choice .

peace .

Raja · Oct 22, 2013

Superbad said:

Sorry to inform you , but we tested your claim yesterday . And found that there is no space advantage in the xuv in the second row or first row because it's a monocoque .

Members who witnessed this are cruiser , Ravi b , raj_5004 , myself , jar pickle and storme 911

We made cruiser seat in front and second row and also pulled the front seats back to their maximum limit and checked too .

the space is same in both the cars in front 2 rows

But still , Next time if you are around we will measure the space with a measuring tape for your satisfaction .

@ all

Pic from yesterday's Mumbai meet ,

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...s/14942-mumbai-mini-meet-21st-oct-2013-a.html

Two controversy makers taking a nice power nap

navnit013 · Oct 22, 2013

@raj,

ARIA has a movable second row. Incase you need to occupy the rear seats then you can move the 2nd row forward. It can be configured to seat seven and then have all their luggage "inside" the car. Unlike Innova and Xylo, where the luggage has to be somewhere on the outside.

And I dont think the 3rd row should even be in consideration when buying a car for private use. A 'so called' seven seater car will hardly see seven @#$#@ in its entire usage cycle.

raj_5004 · Oct 22, 2013

Some vishesh tipni from my side on the Storme and the XUV -

Dimensions of Storme and XUV respectively:

Length - 4655 & 4585
Width - 1965 & 1890
Height - 1922 & 1785

Wheelbase - 2650 & 2700

The Storme is not only longer than the XUV, but also wider and taller. Still, the XUV manages to liberate as much space as the Storme in the cabin. Isnt that efficient space management?

The reason why the XUV designers managed to liberate more space inside is because of its longer wheelbase. More the distance between the front two axles, more is the space left for the engine and the front two rows of seats.

Raja, maybe this is the reason your better half felt claustrophobic inside the XUV's cabin when compared to the Storme, because it is indeed smaller in every way. That also explains why the roof is closer to your head because the design philosophy of the XUV is a low slung and semi-cab forward design.

I am using Raja's pic to depict what I mean -

Look at the yellow box. The XUV has a wider box which means the windshield is quite slanted. Hence the front passengers will be sitting closer to the windshield.

However, the Storme like most SUVs have a thinner box, in other words, an upright windshield.

The red box indicates how the longer wheelbase of the XUV liberates more space inside, inspite of being shorter in length.

Also note the much longer bonnet of the Storme which means most of its length is wasted/occupied for the engine compartment. I am not saying it is wrong, but they follow completely different design philosophies.

Coming to the third row, Raja says that the "Storme is a 5 seater" and hence there is nothing much to discuss about the third row.

Finally coming to the prices (Mumbai ex-showroom of both has been considered),

XUV does not even compete with the Storme LX. At 10.75 Lacs, there is no variant of the XUV currently at that price. However, the Storme EX and VX costs 11.44 and 13.31 Lacs respectively. For an additional 14,000 rupees over the Storme VX, you get the fully loaded XUV W8 variant. That's a increase of a paltry Rs. 250 in your EMIs if you are going for a loan! Also, for an additional 46k over the Storme EX, you get the XUV W6. That is when my choice tilts strongly in favour of the XUV.

I can ignore the slightly stiffer ride and niggles for the numerous other benefits the XUV offers over the Storme. Of course, as said before, choices and opinions vary, but I would have personally ranked the Storme higher if the top end variants were priced much lesser. Hence, the Storme LX is a superb choice and great value for money according to me (in comparison to the Scorpio, Duster, Ecosport, etc.), but not the EX and the VX.

Of course, for a person who does not like the way the XUV looks or for whom ride quality is very important, the Storme is the next best choice followed by the Terrano.

navnit013 said:

Agreed. But for a huge family like mine, a 7 seater UV gives us space, bigger boot and the flexibility or the option of additional seats, in case of emergency. We dont need to look for a cab to carry one or two extra passengers.

tornado78 · Oct 22, 2013

navnit013 said:

You are somewhat right,
but when you need it and there is no space than you need to get another vehicle for remaining people. So far I have used my Aria to fullest 10-15 times and no body, even full grown adults ever complained about the seating capabilities of my car.

Superbad · Oct 22, 2013

Raja said:

Read my statement

Better laid out space can be said in other words as much better managed space.

The front row in storme has space but for taller persons like myself while driving it is of no use to me since the steering keeps hitting my thigh during the clutch operation. i pull the front seats back, even then my thighs hitting the steering cannot be averted.

The XUV being a FWD and a monocoque, the components like the differential and axle do not create a hump in the 2nd row seating space.

The hump is flat unlike other old school SUVs who have their axles at the rear wheel.

Other than that raj_5004 has pretty much explained the space criteria so no need to repeat the same.

Raja · Oct 22, 2013

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Superbad said:

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You must take sometime to use appropriate phrases henceforth to post what you exactly mean , how do we know you have different styles for saying something ?

And in the end the space is same in both right ? Then who has liberated Space how and why doesn't actually matter to a normal buyer .

The storme is a old school SUV yet , There is no uncomfortable hump in the storme . It gets a rear ac floor blower yet has equal amount of space like the xuv . Kindly see the pic .

Body types differ , something doesn't suit you does not mean it's a fact for all . We have much bigger guys then you like Sanjaysg who is very comfortable plus tornado is as tall as you yet has no problem with the steering touching his thighs or creating a uncomfortable position . It's purely subjective thing .

Gurrala74 · Oct 22, 2013

@superbad

It looks you are little confused. please read your post no 1977 once again which is very confusing. While explaining about the 2nd row issue, you were talking about the 1st row of Storme and suddenly jumped into 2nd row of XUV [confused]

Superbad · Oct 22, 2013

Gurrala74 said:

Raja said:

Better laid out means better managed .
well-laid-out?

layout, lay out, laying out, lays out, laid out, layouts- WordWeb dictionary definition

I have just elaborated my earlier point.

The usability of the available space is optimised better in XUV than in the storme.

All the posts prior to this mean the same thing.

MrRanger · Oct 22, 2013

TrafficHacker said:

I never seen this and never heard about it for STORME

May be But STORME has better head room and shoulder room, XUV is not that bad.

No complains about STORME, it is way easy to drive, which offers better all round visibility, with 5.4m turning radius STORME is very easy to drive in cities compared to some mid-size sedans also. I really appreciate TATA who worked on and seriously eliminated legendary SAFARI's problem of huge turning radius.

I guess we need to start one Dicor vs XUV thread. :P

I have seen/driven all 4 4x4 STORME's all were in appreciable condition even afer such abuse.

I guess I'm reading it in my dream, in real most of the innocent buyers suffering even today.

Oh my god how can be a poor customer can take MnM lessons to learn about MnM style of communication? I feel you should re check on your opinion.

I appreciate your faith on MnM but what is the base for your claim?

Why you want Dicor here, STROME is a all new product talk about STORME.

how many hard core safari fans you met to collect this statistics buddy, you should let it go since this is pure subjective to discuss, for me XUV looks over done and wont last long .

Aria sales are more compared to STORME! ok let it go and check previous post we had loads of discussion about the sales figure and image.

what I'm gaining here? nothing right! its your opinion and it is highly subjective.

No point to discuss and conclude here.

yes +100, this is what you doing and other buyers doing,

this might be true for STORME owners with 180 degree opposite opinion compared to you, anyways who care about sales figure.

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