Tata Storme vs Mahindra XUV5OO - Which One To Choose?


Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
3,417
Likes
2,075
Location
Deccan Plateau
@Raja : Nice shot but this can not confirm that Safari are now prefered or XUV is now hated
please note that the purpose of existence of this forum is not to hate or prefer a pirticular vehicle.
,but to discuss which pirticular car is suitable for person/s ,time/s, and places (roads/offroads).

So it is not necessary to hate storme so as to like xuv or vice versa..

]May be people just left XUV and could have gone for Duster or Ertiga]
Due to finance policies of the land ,you might be correct .But this doesn't imply that cars concerned on this thread are not good.

Btw,It is long way to go for ertiga to be named along with xuv.

But XUV in Chennai NH45 still on test 3 vehicles 1 Purple 2Whites are in continous test they are trying to eradicate all issues and soon we'll get XUV niggle free with high quality for its pri]
What all issues in XUV ,You are talking about ?

One thing for sure is XUV and Storme comparing both, STORME visits Service station lesser time but both are sentimental towards service station[/Q
 
Last edited:
Thread Starter #1,607
Joined
Dec 8, 2010
Messages
8,139
Likes
1,792
Location
Hyderabad
I have just seen a Mahindra XUV 500 advertisement in the news paper which says " Thank you to customers who made XUV as highest customer satisfied vehicle and to honor the customers, they increase its warranty to 3 years/1 Lakh kilometers".

What would be the real reason behind this more, how do you people see this move from Mahindra
 
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
7,026
Likes
2,847
Location
Mumbai
It's decreased. I remember it was 3 years /unlimited kms earlier.
See this advertisement

Well so 8800 customers feel so , what about others ? If not mistaken they sold some 50,000 plus right ? What parameters were used for evaluating satisfaction ?

There is difference between

" the car has no problems and we are extremely satisfied "

And

" the car has problems like head lights conking off , brakes making noise , clutch failures , siren conking off , power sterring failure but the a,s.s replaced it for free and we are satisfied "

But then mahindra is good at marketing anyway . Recent sales figure must have made them think it seems .

But the car has become quite nigggle free now it seems , based on what I have read on different forums and reports from friends owning them .
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 29, 2012
Messages
1,642
Likes
2,089
Location
K L-9
Well so 8800 customers feel so , what about others ? If not mistaken they sold some 50,000 plus right ? What parameters were used for evaluating satisfaction ?
This ranking is as per the syndicated four-wheeler total customer satisfaction study by leading research consultancy, TNS.

The syndicated Four-Wheeler Total Customer Satisfaction (TCS) study conducted by TNS specialist division, TNS Automotive, is the largest syndicated automotive study in India, representing the responses of more than 8800 new car buyers. This comprehensive study covered 63 name plates with customer evaluations taken in the key areas of
  • sales satisfaction,
  • product quality,
  • vehicle performance and design,
  • after sales service,
  • brand image, and
  • cost-of-ownership.

The TCS score provides a measure of Total Satisfaction and Loyalty a given name plate enjoys with its customers.
Source:[Indiainfoline.com]Read more and also find listed the Total Customer Satisfaction Index Scores of all cars in various segments.

Learn more about TNS Global/automotive here.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 24, 2012
Messages
345
Likes
39
Location
chennai
@rk : this add has also come in chennai hindu paper

@raja : comparing to tata motors its better and they have replaced without any question for the amount customerspay xuv is satisfactory in term of mileage pickup and after three years they have increased the warranty means thatz a good move

Comparing fortuner and innova its really more comfortable mileage is also good only comparing to the second row of storme it lacks but its ok.

Out 50000 only 8800 people would have positively replied to survey!

Even air conditioner also xuv has two cooling coils were as in storme and fortuner its only 1
 
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
2,882
Likes
295
Location
mumbai
Well so 8800 customers feel so , what about others ? If not mistaken they sold some 50,000 plus right ? What parameters were used for evaluating satisfaction ?
they are scientific sampling done. to evaluate the performance.
numbers are a part of sampling and the rating is then provided accordingly.
There is difference between

" the car has no problems and we are extremely satisfied "

And

" the car has problems like head lights conking off , brakes making noise , clutch failures , siren conking off , power sterring failure but the a,s.s replaced it for free and we are satisfied "
satisfaction is based on expectation. if they expect the heavens and if they are provided when asked, they will be satisfied.

take the case of "tornado78"s aria, he had problems with electronic jack, the suspension, the alignment, the alloys etc. his problems were addressed to and so he is satisfied with their servces.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2012
Messages
345
Likes
39
Location
chennai
@superbad : unlimited warranty is normally given as introductory offer. Even m&m web page states so.

Standard warranty is 65000 kms and now increased to 100000 is a good move firstm&m vehicle with warranty equal to tml and tkl
 
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
7,026
Likes
2,847
Location
Mumbai
they are scientific sampling done. to evaluate the performance.
numbers are a part of sampling and the rating is then provided accordingly.


satisfaction is based on expectation. if they expect the heavens and if they are provided when asked, they will be satisfied.

take the case of "tornado78"s aria, he had problems with electronic jack, the suspension, the alignment, the alloys etc. his problems were addressed to and so he is satisfied with their servces.
J d powers rate tata very good yet you guys keep crying [lol]

2012 India Customer Service Index (CSI) Study | J.D. Power Autos

And j d powers is something like a gold standard .

Like you said this type of studies also show windows phone user satisfaction is higher then android , and does this matter to you as a android user ? Similarly such studies done in small sample proves actually nothing when the product sold is actually 5 times more then the sample tested .

Go and take a sample of fiat cars you will see all reports to be great .


The Cons of Customer Satisfaction Surveys
Despite their near-monopoly on the customer satisfaction measurement industry, forward-thinking companies may need to question their surveys or even dump them for the following reasons:
Sampling Bias
Sampling bias simply means that the sub populations being tested do not represent the fabric of the population as a whole. These are the two main types of sampling bias:
Sampling Error: If the sample is too small this will result in false information that does not reflect the true population. As CRM Buyer columnist Louis Columbus points out, this often leads to a secondary problem, when companies attempt to compensate by over-sampling.
Non-Representative Samples: This happens when the sampling method performed omits one or more customer tiers.
Response Bias
No matter how much care is taken in designing a representative sample of the customer base, the actual survey sample may be vastly different than the actual population due to response bias. Here are four major types of response bias:
Geographic Bias: Surveys may unwittingly leave out large sections of the population by polling in skewed geographic areas.
Temporal Bias: Phone surveys conducted during the day may be more likely to reach older segments of the population.
Changing Technology: Land-line surveys fail to reach a younger demographic which is increasingly reliant on cell phones. [v], [vi]
Problems of Motivation: Highly satisfied customers are much more likely to respond to survey requests than merely neutral or even dissatisfied customers. [vii]
Wording and Execution Biases
Let's say you've somehow managed to seal up all the problems with your survey sample design and you're confident your population is represented in the responses you've received. You're not in the clear yet; here's where the biggest problem of all may come in: Your questions themselves may be biasing your results. Customers have a variety of reasons—both intentional and unintentional—for answering in a way that does not reflect their true feelings. Below are four types of wording bias and execution bias to consider:
Lack of Options: The close-ended style of questioning used in the majority of satisfaction surveys can make subjects feel obligated to give an answer even if none of the options really reflects their true feeling. [viii]
Question Wording: Rewording questions in even subtle ways or asking questions with poor pronunciation (or with a dialect) can have significant impact on the number of "favorable" or "unfavorable" responses.[ix]
Bogus Questions: The questions are often simply irrelevant to the customer, who may respond more or less randomly to complete the survey. One of the most popular survey questions—"How satisfied are you"—has even been called the most "bogus question in the history of surveys".[x]
Happy Questions: Companies often use surveys to ask leading questions ("just wanted to make sure it all went well") that paint them in a favorable light. This may be done inadvertently, but companies also have motivations for hiding problem areas from management and executive teams.[iv]
Rigged Processes
The fact is this, employees often skew their own survey results. This happens for a variety of reasons: fear of demotion, criticism from management, links between survey results and employee bonuses, or even just lack of an outside perspective. Whatever the reason, a gamed system fails to provide informative survey results. Here are three possible ways of rigging satisfaction results:
Self-Administered QC: Quite often, the responsibility for measuring satisfaction levels relies on groups that naturally have a personal investment in receiving favorable satisfaction ratings. After all, how often have you received a comment card after you made some sort of positive remark about the service you received? And after you complained? Employees or management departments often sample only the most satisfied customers to boost their results.[iv]
Out-Right Cheating: Companies have other ways of inflating their scores as well. For example, if employees know that an an order is going to come in late they may push back the due date in the computer system.
Pressure to Produce Good Results: High motivation for customer loyalty ironically leads to high motivation to produce positive survey results, which can influence the development of biased research design.[iv]
No Meaningful Information Revealed
OK, so let's put aside all of these concerns and assume that your survey was perfectly conducted in every way. Sorry, but you're still not off the hook. No matter how great your survey design is, the responses may fail to reveal anything useful or valuable about your company's approach.
Trashed Surveys: Surveys often don't reach the people who could really use them—instead they wind up stashed in a back room or, worse yet, the dumpster.[iv]
Wrong Conclusions: Recently, the correlation between high levels of customer "satisfaction" and high levels of "loyalty" has been called into question. Surveys measure what people say, not what they do, and the two aren't always linked.[iii], [xi]
Meaningless Data: Many surveys ask meaningless questions: the questions may be important from a management standpoint but don't resonate with customers.[xii] Naturally this leads to meaningless data.
Interaction Metrics Free Solution
Source-

http://www.customersatisfactionstrategy.com/surveys_pro_con.html

And read this

http://businessjournal.gallup.com/content/28564/customer-satisfaction-flawed-measure.aspx
 
Last edited:
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
2,882
Likes
295
Location
mumbai
tata is like 6 th with a wide portfolio. that is disappointing.

the study is sampling process.sampling process is math.
and the ranking helps build brand perception or reflects the brand image.

and of that top 4 or 5 , you dont see any company which is a surprise.

the point is to call a product a success , there are many factors responsible.

customer satisfaction is one among them.

adding to the above ranking, the product in question ranks high(top) in satisfaction.

we do not have anything on storme.
no rally wins, no awards, no sales charts tops.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
7,026
Likes
2,847
Location
Mumbai
tata is like 6 th with a wide portfolio. that is disappointing.

the study is sampling process.sampling process is math.
and the ranking helps build brand perception or reflects the brand image.

and of that top 4 or 5 , you dont see any company which is a surprise.

the point is to call a product a success , there are many factors responsible.

customer satisfaction is one among them.

adding to the above ranking, the product in question ranks high(top) in satisfaction.

we do not have anything on storme.
no rally wins, no awards, no sales charts tops.
And it matters zero
Since sample provided can be of no relevance in real world .
I already said its a marketing gimick and,Mahindra are much better then Tata in that case.

And it has been proved many times that the parameters used in such satisfaction survey is flawed and only limited to publicity and marketing and this will imply not to just xuv but storme too or any car for that matter .
Lets move on.
 
Joined
Nov 29, 2012
Messages
1,642
Likes
2,089
Location
K L-9
  • An excellent move by Mahindra by launching an all new customer care website called www.withyouhamesha.com.With this Mahindra could take its customer’s experience to a new level by making it customer-centric.
  • Another piece of news says that Mahindra has modified the tripmeter of the XUV 500. The updated unit has a four digit read out now and existing XUV 500 owners should contact their M&M Dealer Relationship manager to upgrade. Full points to Mahindra & Mahindra for coming up with upgrades based on the customer feedback.
    source:motoroids

@ Raja

I already said its a marketing gimick and,Mahindra are much better then Tata in that case.
Do you mean to say that this TCS study conducted by TNS is a marketing gimmick of Mahindra ?
I don't see anything wrong in M&M using a customer satisfaction study carried out by another body[read TNS]. Who is stopping Tata from doing such studies in marketing their products.

"As you sow, so shall you reap"
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
3,417
Likes
2,075
Location
Deccan Plateau
AFA , jd power 2012 study is concerned ,there is not significant difference in the points gained out of 1000 Toyota , m&m ,tata ,fiat . But the fact is that TATAS are more critically discussed than skodas ,fords vw et al.


@ MU, I as a customer ,would definitely not like TATAS doing any(only) marketing gimmicks rather than improving the ASS in reality.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2012
Messages
345
Likes
39
Location
chennai
@raja & superbad: j.d.power states the company result in which tml is having many commercial vehicles hatches sedan etc, but m&m is a uv conc. Manufacturer till last month and still they are not into good commercial numbers except logan and xylo.

TML last year sold 350 Vehicle is chennai per dealership and 200-225 was commercial ,Whereas M&M sold 200-250 Per dealership and most of them was Scorpio Xylo and Bolero.The point here is TML played monopoly till the launch of Figo Commercial and Etios twin commercial.So this point as comparing the brand is not accept able

Here in this thread we can discuss about rating and awards won by car and not manufacturer and that could be a health conversation
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom