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[justinsylas]

True. I will agree that TATA hatchbacks are stronger than the other hatches. Whether it's safe or not, I cant say.

If its built stronger, It can prevent some basic level damages to the car as well as occupants. I'm not going to argue the high level crashes. Basic level safety only needed for most hatch/sedan buyers as me. Tata cars are built stronger with side impact bars and best structural integrity.

Even mahindra vehicles are built stronger but not as tata. One of my family friend had a safari in Munnar. The car rolled thrice from the upper road to another in the hills over the small plant and trees. His knee bone only broken. At that time he wore seat belts. The structural integrity was not affected much. So he escaped. The side impact bar here done a good job. Tata has some basic most needed safety matters inbuilt. I hope my point is perfect at least from my point of view as a nontechnical customer.

Kindly check the link below. It has very interesting info.
http://profit.ndtv.com/News/Article/these-luxury-cars-fared-poorly-in-crash-tests-309350?pfrom=home-otherstories

 

[Superbad]

Even mahindra vehicles are built stronger but not as tata.

anything to support your claims.

i dont want to go off topic or ruin your ownership thread but it seems a fashion that a TATA customer needs to bash its rival and gain the satisfaction of having to pay a higher premium for a slow moving product.

information shared is always good since it clears out misconceptions.

 

[nozzlering]

Sheet thickness does make the car stronger and contribute to safety also. But at the same time, by better designing, a car made of thinner sheet metal can be made safer, even stronger. I don't know, which one among Tata and Mahindra is better built. I have seen both serving for years, withstanding abuse.While there older versions were stronger, newer versions have become safer also. It would be unfair to say one is safer than other. And safety is also a matter subject to the relative speed at the time of impact. Princess Diana last travelled on a car, much safer than any Tata or Mahindra car.

 

[teamsachinf1]

@ superbad it is not fashion to talk about mahindra, But unfortunately it comes in the picture somewhere or the other, being the nearest competitor it does happen people tend to compare there product with the closest possible product available in the market, Dil pe mat le yaar !!!
Surely if I buy something I will always feel that my product is better than the other one, The way Scorpio owners feel there scorpio is the best in the buisness, Its same way yaar !!!
Its human tendency.

 

[justinsylas]

anything to support your claims.

i dont want to go off topic or ruin your ownership thread but it seems a fashion that a TATA customer needs to bash its rival and gain the satisfaction of having to pay a higher premium for a slow moving product.

information shared is always good since it clears out misconceptions.

My cousin brother using all mahindra vehicles. My family using all tata vehicles. He bought a xylo a week before i purchase my aria. I have a better knowledge about both company vehicles. I used both company products in parallel almost 3 lakhs kilometer in each.

All tata cars has side impact bars. XUV500 and Scorpio only has side impact bars from mahindra family. I'm complaining only the absence of the side impact bars.

XUV500 is falling inside the range of scorpio. so most of scorpio owners replacing it with XUV. But the price of aria (above pure variant) is not reachable to many and lot of them complain about its simple looks. Slow moving aria has better quality everywhere. But how about fast moving XUV's quality?

I dont want to go for its sales numbers. My local dealer sold 8 arias last month including me. But all from stock. So all the sales numbers shown in the media is not live sales. Its doing fine for its price range.

Aria using most electronic parts from reputed companies as siemens, etc. Even the air filter sensor from siemens.

Please come with a strong points man. Dont shoot with paper guns.

Sheet thickness does make the car stronger and contribute to safety also. But at the same time, by better designing, a car made of thinner sheet metal can be made safer, even stronger. I don't know, which one among Tata and Mahindra is better built. I have seen both serving for years, withstanding abuse.While there older versions were stronger, newer versions have become safer also. It would be unfair to say one is safer than other. And safety is also a matter subject to the relative speed at the time of impact. Princess Diana last travelled on a car, much safer than any Tata or Mahindra car.

Yes. Perfect.

@ superbad it is not fashion to talk about mahindra, But unfortunately it comes in the picture somewhere or the other, being the nearest competitor it does happen people tend to compare there product with the closest possible product available in the market, Dil pe mat le yaar !!!
Surely if I buy something I will always feel that my product is better than the other one, The way Scorpio owners feel there scorpio is the best in the buisness, Its same way yaar !!!
Its human tendency.

Even i planned to buy XUV based on the feature list on paper and its price. But i invested more money for better quality and comfort. I'm very much satisfied about my investment.

And i took my car back from dealer.
My aria now wearing safari shoes (alloys).
Its looks very nice. I'll post more photos in the morning. It looks very cool and matching well with my black aria.

5 OEM safari alloys cost 42,000 Rs. They never charge for fixing, balancing (1500 Rs), alignment, small wheel cups for alloys and some needed materials. I got the alloys as offer. I asked them to do wash and vacuum. They never charged for that too.

After fixed the alignment issue, the steering response is very good now.

They gave me my steel wheel rims back. Normally the dealership will not return it, if they changing alloys at FOC. Should i need to keep this with me for more months?

I'm planning to fit bumber corner protector day after tomorrow. They are charging 775 Rs for a set of 4. Its has silver lining. But i'm searching without silver lining. How you feel friends?

I called one tata dealer 200kms away from my city. They assured me to fix the roof rail without any water leak issue. I'm planning to place the roof rails in its place without install, and then decide whether i need it or not.

 

[Raja]

My cousin brother using all mahindra vehicles. My family using all tata vehicles. He bought a xylo a week before i purchase my aria. I have a better knowledge about both company vehicles. I used both company products in parallel almost 3 lakhs kilometer in each.

All tata cars has side impact bars. XUV500 and Scorpio only has side impact bars from mahindra family. I'm complaining only the absence of the side impact bars.

XUV500 is falling inside the range of scorpio. so most of scorpio owners replacing it with XUV. But the price of aria (above pure variant) is not reachable to many and lot of them complain about its simple looks. Slow moving aria has better quality everywhere. But how about fast moving XUV's quality?

I dont want to go for its sales numbers. My local dealer sold 8 arias last month including me. But all from stock. So all the sales numbers shown in the media is not live sales. Its doing fine for its price range.

Aria using most electronic parts from reputed companies as siemens, etc. Even the air filter sensor from siemens.

Please come with a strong points man. Dont shoot with paper guns.

And i took my car back from dealer.
My aria now wearing safari shoes (alloys).
Its looks very nice. I'll post more photos in the morning. It looks very cool and matching well with my black aria.

5 OEM safari alloys cost 42,000 Rs. They never charge for fixing, balancing (1500 Rs), alignment, small wheel cups for alloys and some needed materials. I got the alloys as offer. I asked them to do wash and vacuum. They never charged for that too.

After fixed the alignment issue, the steering response is very good now.

They gave me my steel wheel rims back. Normally the dealership will not return it, if they changing alloys at FOC. Should i need to keep this with me for more months?

I'm planning to fit bumber corner protector day after tomorrow. They are charging 775 Rs for a set of 4. Its has silver lining. But i'm searching without silver lining. How you feel friends?

I called one tata dealer 200kms away from my city. They assured me to fix the roof rail without any water leak issue. I'm planning to place the roof rails in its place without install, and then decide whether i need it or not.

IMHO bumper guard with silver lining will look great you know why because aria has quite of chrome see your side door guard has also one the front has chrome too so it will look good same like linea ,vista and manza .
Dying to see the pics with the alloys iam pretty sure the entire look of your aria must have changed now right ?

 

[teamsachinf1]

@ justin waiting for your Aria pics with her new socks and shoes.
Pls bro, don't rush for the roof rail, hold on for now, your aria looks very beautiful even without those roof rails, moreover if they don't fix it properly it may lead to leaks and corrosion.
Why do u want to retain your old steel rims, why don't you sell it off ?

 

[justinsylas]

IMHO bumper guard with silver lining will look great you know why because aria has quite of chrome see your side door guard has also one the front has chrome too so it will look good same like linea ,vista and manza .
Dying to see the pics with the alloys iam pretty sure the entire look of your aria must have changed now right ?

Great. I'll go with silver lined protector. Thanks for the sparky input.

@ justin waiting for your Aria pics with her new socks and shoes.
Pls bro, don't rush for the roof rail, hold on for now, your aria looks very beautiful even without those roof rails, moreover if they don't fix it properly it may lead to leaks and corrosion.
Why do u want to retain your old steel rims, why don't you sell it off ?

I also feared about the leaks and corrosion. Ok. i'll hold it for now. Otherwise they will do test install in my car.

I'll post the alloy photos tomorrow.

 

[THE XOVER]

If your Aria has Airbags then don't install any unnecessary bumper guards(front).It will nullify the advantages of having airbags in the car.


And as far as safety of TATA vehicles go,well TATA are the only Indian company to have their own crash test facility.Also their sheet metal quality is very rigid and to top it up every single vehicle undergoes rigorous crash testing before coming into production.Safety is one aspect where even critics of TATA praise them.I wilk rest my case here.

 

[justinsylas]

If your Aria has Airbags then don't install any unnecessary bumper guards(front).It will nullify the advantages of having airbags in the car.


And as far as safety of TATA vehicles go,well TATA are the only Indian company to have their own crash test facility.Also their sheet metal quality is very rigid and to top it up every single vehicle undergoes rigorous crash testing before coming into production.Safety is one aspect where even critics of TATA praise them.I wilk rest my case here.

I'm not gong to install bumber guard. Its just a rubber material to protect the bumber corner from scratches. Bumber Corner Protector.

I'm not a expert on auto mobile engineering. But i know some basic science about structure. All companies trying to reduce the cost by reduce the sheet metal thickness and invest more to improve the strength of the structure. Based on my knowledge thicker sheet metal will improve the structural integrity. It'll give better support to hydro formed elements. Structural integrity will give more safety to occupants as most sheet metal parts surrounding the occupant compartment, not in the front side of the car. Kindly correct if i'm wrong.

Structural integrity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.hotrodders.com/articles/sheet_metal.html

I'll upload alloy photos in few hours.

 

[Superbad]

I'm not gong to install bumber guard. Its just a rubber material to protect the bumber corner from scratches. Bumber Corner Protector.

I'm not a expert on auto mobile engineering. But i know some basic science about structure. All companies trying to reduce the cost by reduce the sheet metal thickness and invest more to improve the strength of the structure. Based on my knowledge thicker sheet metal will improve the structural integrity. It'll give better support to hydro formed elements. Structural integrity will give more safety to occupants as most sheet metal parts surrounding the occupant compartment, not in the front side of the car. Kindly correct if i'm wrong.

Structural integrity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sheet Metal

I'll upload alloy photos in few hours.

i beg to differ.

Eg: the modern F1 cars are supposed to be the safest car on roads.

not because it has the thickest sheet metal but because the materials used in an F1 car body absorbs the most of the impact on itself rather than transferring the shock to the driver/passengers.

the material is so designed that the vehicle crumbles to the least extent and the impact on the exterior body is converted in such a way that the body transforms into a powder like crystals, similar to the windshield glass.

at higher speeds there is more than one force acting on the body that is the G force.

if one uses a thicker sheet metal then the the forces acting on the metal gets transferred to the passengers in the vehicle which might result in more internal damage to the body namely the lungs, liver , spleen and other organs.



all i want to say the terms structural thickness= safe vehicle is not true in all cases of accidents . it may be true for low intensity bruises.
the safety of the vehicle depends upon the various stresses the sheet metal and the passengers have to go through.

 

[justinsylas]

Hi friends. I took lot of photos of alloys in different angles and with the tyres in normal position and in tilted positions. I think i attached more photos.

Moderators can remove some uninteresting photos.

I'll take more interior photos, Night time photos with lights and long shot photos with alloys, when i have enough time.

 

[Raja]

Hi friends. I took lot of photos of alloys in different angles and with the tyres in normal position and in tilted positions. I think i attached more photos.

Moderators can remove some uninteresting photos.

I'll take more interior photos, Night time photos with lights and long shot photos with alloys, when i have enough time.

They look has changed in a dramatic way man it looks amazing man congrats . If possible can you post pictures of the bumper side protectors ? Or just before installing them Just keep them on the bumper and see how it looks .

 

[justinsylas]

i beg to differ.

Eg: the modern F1 cars are supposed to be the safest car on roads.

not because it has the thickest sheet metal but because the materials used in an F1 car body absorbs the most of the impact on itself rather than transferring the shock to the driver/passengers.

the material is so designed that the vehicle crumbles to the least extent and the impact on the exterior body is converted in such a way that the body transforms into a powder like crystals, similar to the windshield glass.

at higher speeds there is more than one force acting on the body that is the G force.

if one uses a thicker sheet metal then the the forces acting on the metal gets transferred to the passengers in the vehicle which might result in more internal damage to the body namely the lungs, liver , spleen and other organs.

all i want to say the terms structural thickness= safe vehicle is not true in all cases of accidents . it may be true for low intensity bruises.
the safety of the vehicle depends upon the various stresses the sheet metal and the passengers have to go through.

The cars manufactured in india are safer as international safety standards. The structures are not that much powerful to withstand big crashes. I already mentioned in my previous posts as i need better safety to withstand minimal level crashes at least. 90% of the private vehicle owners driving their cars with in their limit. I'm not meant that thickness=safe. I'm only argue for very basic level safety for basic level accidents only. I met with around 8 accidents (Some times i drove myself, sometimes as a occupant). All of them are small accidents. No injuries. No blood. I just need to invest very little bit to recover my car to its original position. But the vehicles met accident with my vehicle faced big losses. Qualis, Tractor, Frontside left of the bus, etc.

My marina met an accident with bolero. Its not a direct frontal crash. The bolero suddenly came into the picture between a bus and my car in a hairpin bend. Bus and me cruising at the speed of 20km/hr, bolero at 50km/hr. There is no noticeable brushing in the bolero. But my right side fender is gone as crushed. I think the sheet metal absorb the force well. I'm repeating again, my car is not built for speed drivers. I need only very basic safety to protect me from basic accidents.

But now i'm expecting big level of safety as i have a lovable family. So this time i opted for a vehicle which has crash worthiness certificate. My aria also has thicker sheet metal and the same keeping good ranking for safety. Based on the general logic about sheet metal as mentioned by you, if my car has thinner sheet metal, then it can achieve more better rank than now, right?

I'm trying to share something based on my knowledge based on my personal experiences. This may not as perfect as automobile science logic.

I'm not aimed to hurt any ones feeling. But i hope i can learn and sharp my knowledge towards safety and it can help me to acquire my future vehicles with better safety kits. I think my aim has some logic.

 

[justinsylas]

They look has changed in a dramatic way man it looks amazing man congrats . If possible can you post pictures of the bumper side protectors ? Or just before installing them Just keep them on the bumper and see how it looks .

I'll try to get it tomorrow man. I think this is the one they shown to me.