Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

[jayadev]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

Please take a note that I am talking about myself too, where I face the sun of Delhi probably one of the hottest places in country in summers. As far as medical reasons or exceptions are concerned, they can be dealt separately.



Of course its us who triggers the law. You can ask who framed the drink and drive law, obviously a criminal amongst the common man would have led it to be framed. What makes you think that the sun film blanket ban was an ad-hoc action. I am sure they would have considered previous cases too in which tinted cars would have attempted illegal activities. I am sure there would be a stack of files supporting this law.
You can argue that you can drive very well and be in sense even after drinking, you can drive with focus even while talking on phone, and effectively you would say that its not you who made the law, but a few morons who could not control their drinking habits. But we abide by 'drink n drive' law for the greater good. Similarly, I do not find any reason to not abide by the sun films law.

Everyone has some grudge against system, I too have, many of them but I am not trying to link the sunfilm law to any of my other complaints against system. You very well know how to stick to subject.

Looks like you are undermining whole point of what I mentioned earlier.


1.I am not advocating for completely black opaque sun films(Mafia type)

2. a mild one especially(it helped me) on side windows with proper certificates shouldn't be a deal breaker.

3.You may argue about discrepancies with certificates but look at the current situation ,till this date you can find many tinted cars on the road.

4.Front wind shield should be left free of any tints or films mandatory for the cause .

Some how I think is how we improvise to a law unlike a blow from a feudal system.

Granting exemption
Further, the court granted liberty to the police officers concerned to grant exemption to VVIPs like those enjoying “Z” and “Z plus” category security.

I find it sick.I used to think we are worlds largest democracy.

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

1. I am not advocating for completely black opaque sun films(Mafia type)

I know you are not, neither am I talking about opaque ones only.

2. a mild one especially(it helped me) on side windows with proper certificates shouldn't be a deal breaker.

How mild is mild and how does one prove it.

3.You may argue about discrepancies with certificates but look at the current situation ,till this date you can find many tinted cars on the road.

I could not connect the two phrases after and before comma above. The 'fake certificate' issue must have been the biggest reason to put a blanket ban. I would like to know more how are you suggesting to tackle this issue.

I find it sick.I used to think we are worlds largest democracy.

Me too.

I never tried to undermine anything you said. Apologies if I did.

 

[jayadev]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

I know you are not, neither am I talking about opaque ones only.

How mild is mild and how does one prove it.

We have speed limits in India,it should go by same rule.without a proper device it cannot be proved.Tintometers are not something unheard of but in India.

I could not connect the two phrases after and before comma above. The 'fake certificate' issue must have been the biggest reason to put a blanket ban. I would like to know more how are you suggesting to tackle this issue.

Blanket ban is not due to discrepancies I suppose but a quick propounded Idea.So far there has been clear distinction between what is legal and what is not which must have been implemented thoughtfully in gone years.

Me too.

I never tried to undermine anything you said. Apologies if I did.

With news on Air about the recent mishap with bus having tinted glass will obviously lead majority of people to assert that tints are highly unacceptable in any vehicle,that is what it has come to.(in my view a women is unsafe even at her own house premises,I have heard scariest place to enter in is Police station. such is fate of our society)

Many people (read most of the criminal)do not adhere to law no matter how strict or how much you force.
There should be psychological reason behind it,overruling such aspects could be foolishness but unfortunately our laws haven't gone that far yet.

To quote an example, We all know how much serious crime is murder and killing, but for us current society it has become a trivial matter. Nobody, not even the law bother to intervene into such matter when somebody is beaten or stabbed to death in public on personal or political grounds.

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

Tintometers are not something unheard of but in India.

It must have been the best tool. Avoiding govt. expenses would have been the only reason for not getting tintometers for the purpose.

Blanket ban is not due to discrepancies I suppose but a quick propounded Idea.So far there has been clear distinction between what is legal and what is not which must have been implemented thoughtfully in gone years.

There were distinctions but how far were they followed legally? Fake and questionable certificates again.

With news on Air about the recent mishap with bus having tinted glass will obviously lead majority of people to assert that tints are highly unacceptable in any vehicle,that is what it has come to.

If such an act of utmost cruelty could be committed in a bus (with tints and curtains) consider smuggling of items would be a piece of cake. So the idea of removing tints shows a probability of incidents like smuggling illegal items happening in lesser number in future.

Many people (read most of the criminal)do not adhere to law no matter how strict or how much you force.
There should be psychological reason behind it,overruling such aspects could be foolishness but unfortunately our laws haven't gone that far yet.

Well punishment is psychological treatment. The fear of punishment too is psychological.

I agree implementation of the sunfilm rule sucks, in fact implementation of many ambitious ideas have sucked in India. But then sometimes the common man should peep inside his self too and see what he can do to make situation better.
Expecting everything right from the very beginning would be very immature considering present situation of India. I am quite hopeful that this sunfilm law will take an 'organized' shape soon, but it may get even messier if we don't support it.

 

[jayadev]

It must have been the best tool. Avoiding govt. expenses would have been the only reason for not getting tintometers for the purpose.

That is quite a silly excuse for saving on a cheap instrument.In such instance we should have banned cars above 70kmph to save on expensive speed cameras. we should ban alcohol once and for all and save on breath analyzer and formalities, after all it does more harm than good.

Expecting everything right from the very beginning would be very immature considering present situation of India. I am quite hopeful that this sunfilm law will take an 'organized' shape soon, but it may get even messier if we don't support it.

Sorry , I dont see from any angel or logic affirming usefulness of this law in future.
Rather I find it lack of judgement and lack of expertise.

Same as alcohol is banned in some states of India on moral grounds but it lead to Black market which are even uglier.

Banning Sunfilm may look bold optimistic and move at present but criminals will resort to more fail proof and invincible practices.

Logically ,
There was a slight chance of chasing down a tinted car for checkup but with tints pulled off,law is left with staring at faces of probably disguised criminals;Ironical .

Hope I don't sound too fictitious.

 

[Prads]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

1.I am not advocating for completely black opaque sun films(Mafia type)

2. a mild one especially(it helped me) on side windows with proper certificates shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I know you are not, neither am I talking about opaque ones only.


How mild is mild and how does one prove it.

Sunfilms are banned no doubt! But some cars including mine have the vlt 70(shown in pic),its really transparent that it does not bother the cops,the one i have is charcoal shade ,the silver type shade like 3m re series (70vlt) are even more clearer.So you can get some protection from the heat without offending the law.




Anyways i am quoting a discussion from my ownership thread where i had replied about the discussion i had with a top officer & the reason for such a harsh rule! http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/ownership-reviews/9091-hyundai-i20-i-gen-sportz-crdi-ownership-review-3.html

Originally Posted by Gurrala74
@Prads,

- It is not tint ban, it is the sunfilms ban, so cops will remove if they notice it.

Ya true they say no sunfilms, cops dont seem to have a problem or even notice it,neither do people who travel in my car cos its transparent,i pass check points at night where cops pull over tinted(drunk ones also) cars & they dont give my a car a look.

But let us look at the rule for a sec,it was introduced to reduce crime(so windows are transparent) & not out of jealousy on car owners.So with my sunfilm i have cut out most of the Uv rays & 20% of the heat & still have transparent windows.
But if a rule goes around saying 70vlt sunfilm is allowed,then some people intentionally & other gullible ones will go out & start adding 50vlt sunfilms saying no one will notice difference & before you know it dark tints will be taken for granted.This was the discussion & conclusion I had after talking to a top cop.Even now my friends & some forum members report of vendors trying to sell old rto approved 50vlt sunfilm with those certificates saying its rto approved so no prob.So now you know why they say no sunfilm?Its cos of the Indian mentality/lack of communication!

^Many agree with the reason,what do my fellow members say?

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

That is quite a silly excuse for saving on a cheap instrument. In such instance we should have banned cars above 70kmph to save on expensive speed cameras. we should ban alcohol once and for all and save on breath analyzer and formalities, after all it does more harm than good.

Breath analyzers was not always there, earlier drunk and drive was just challaned by smell or by just the guess of cops. Remember.
In a similar manner, this tintometer should be on its way in future, and that is what I meant when I said that organized shape will take time.

Same as alcohol is banned in some states of India on moral grounds but it lead to Black market which are even uglier.

A criminal mind will find its way out to satisfy itself. As per my experience I have seen things improve. Take for instance 'drinking in public place'. After the ban on this practice I haven't seen any groups drinking in markets and joints anymore. While at the same time there will be group of evil minded who would be drinking fearlessly in one corner of city. What I know is, the percentage of that evil mind is coming down, and less people are encouraged to go that path.

There was a slight chance of chasing down a tinted car for checkup but with tints pulled off,law is left with staring at faces of probably disguised criminals;Ironical .

Arre. Now everything would be transparent so there are no questions for chance or no chance. Believe it or not, there is a huge difference between transparent and opaque tints which can be made out from distance (especially by cops)

Sunfilms are banned no doubt! But some cars including mine have the vlt 70(shown in pic),its really transparent that it does not bother the cops,the one i have is charcoal shade ,the silver type shade like 3m re series (70vlt) are even more clearer.So you can get some protection from the heat without offending the law.

But you would be prepared for any challans I guess.
And I agree with what you have mentioned. This is what I have been trying to say from quite a while. Lets change our mentality rather than pointing finger at others.

 

[jayadev]

Arre. Now everything would be transparent so there are no questions for chance or no chance. Believe it or not, there is a huge difference between transparent and opaque tints which can be made out from distance (especially by cops)

Let time reveal its course between sensibility and encroachment .

With such outrageous enforcements we are fueling rebels, to be precise.

I do realize it is not as such a big issue to grumble, but sigh...!

But you would be prepared for any challans I guess.
And I agree with what you have mentioned. This is what I have been trying to say from quite a while. Lets change our mentality rather than pointing finger at others.

That is what it has come to,one fine morning we have become offenders and demi-criminals in front of law.

But if a rule goes around saying 70vlt sunfilm is allowed,then some people intentionally & other gullible ones will go out & start adding 50vlt sunfilms saying no one will notice difference & before you know it dark tints will be taken for granted.This was the discussion & conclusion I had after talking to a top cop.Even now my friends & some forum members report of vendors trying to sell old rto approved 50vlt sunfilm with those certificates saying its rto approved so no prob.So now you know why they say no sunfilm?Its cos of the Indian mentality/lack of communication!
^Many agree with the reason,what do my fellow members say?

I find myself in a weird society,what to say.
Member Rightnow has mentioned his stand favoring 100% VLT as absolute necessity. I prefered some tints which will shed off some heat as well as peoples attentions.
If you ask an opinion to any cop in the world ,he would say "everybody is a suspect in his eyes and anybody can be a criminal". that is what his job gets to.period.
If you ask an opinion to a saint,he would say " everybody is god's child,all are equal".that is what saint's duties get him to(lol).

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

Let time reveal its course between sensibility and encroachment .
With such outrageous enforcements we are fueling rebels, to be precise.
I do realize it is not as such a big issue to grumble, but sigh...!

I hope time shows a miracle. The bigger issues like corruption, rape, treachery have become too common and small these days so I thought why not dig up small ones and start passing some time!

That is what it has come to,one fine morning we have become offenders and demi-criminals in front of law.

I hope I didn't cross the lines of discussion. May be I got too carried away and if you felt the way you have said in above quote, I am really sorry I didn't mean it that way. My statement was pretty generalized.

 

[jayadev]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

I hope time shows a miracle. The bigger issues like corruption, rape, treachery have become too common and small these days so I thought why not dig up small ones and start passing some time!


I hope I didn't cross the lines of discussion. May be I got too carried away and if you felt the way you have said in above quote, I am really sorry I didn't mean it that way. My statement was pretty generalized.

Please dont feel bad.


I am no way debating or discussing against one individual or opinion but as a generalized one
My grief is to realize that it is out of our hands now.we will have to live with 100 percent VLT windows in our rides for rest of our life and envy others who dared to put darker ones and zoom past us.

 

[Rightnow]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

I am no way debating or discussing against one individual or opinion but as a generalized one
My grief is to realize that it is out of our hands now.we will have to live with 100 percent VLT windows in our rides for rest of our life and envy others who dared to put darker ones and zoom past us.

This isn't it. I still have hopes for things falling at place where the proper mechanisms will prevail.

 

[Lucas]

On my way to office today saw a santro being fined and black sunfilms striped off the glasses. The films were real black! the guy had guts I'd say.

 

[S Class]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

The best solution I find is this -

The car cos should provide all round tinted glasses. In premium & luxury cars, they come by default but even B+,C & D segment cars should have option to opt for tinted glass at additional cost. This way atleast those who want tints will pay for glass at the time of booking & need not worry about films in future at all. This will protect innocent citizens from heat & help cops reduce crime.
1 arrow, 2 targets.
(Ek teer se do nishan).

 

[Rightnow]

The best solution I find is this -
The car cos should provide all round tinted glasses. In premium & luxury cars, they come by default but even B+,C & D segment cars should have option to opt for tinted glass at additional cost. This way atleast those who want tints will pay for glass at the time of booking & need not worry about films in future at all. This will protect innocent citizens from heat & help cops reduce crime.
1 arrow, 2 targets.
(Ek teer se do nishan).

Arree..Ek teer se do 'shikaar'
Manufacturers providing tints seems to be good idea. But then people will again crib why should they pay higher when they can get cheaper tints aftermarket way.

 

[S Class]

Re: Supreme Court’s Order – No Sunfilms Allowed from 4th May 2012

Arree..Ek teer se do 'shikaar'

Oh, thanks.

Manufacturers providing tints seems to be good idea. But then people will again crib why should they pay higher when they can get cheaper tints aftermarket way.

Some people are born 'chindhi'. These chaps will even clean disposable plates to reuse it.

BTW in Pune, after Delhi rape case, around 800 vehicles were caught, films removed & fines collected.