Sedans v/s SUVs - Your Personal Pick?

[autosafari]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Few days ago during morning walk, I saw two SUVs.

One was a Safari which was coming very fast opposite to me through the beach road. Saw it from a distance and was ready to jumb towards the right - but to my surprise he gave me more than enough space - and that was visible for me from a distance.

Then the Safari went through two speed breakers without any gear change or speed reduction. There was no change in the road roar also.

Second one was a Fortuner at the same point point while returning.
Fortuner too was coming very fast. The awe it creates and the bouncy ride visible to us from a distance made me to move towards my right max possible to the edge of the road. This guy was different and did not bother about small mortals on road and was speeding past dangerously close even though there was enough space on the other side.

The Fortuner also went through the speed breakers with out changing gears or reducing speed but with a big thud sound and a bounce.

So it depends on the person who is driving and not on the vehicle whether they are gentle or goon.

Second thing was the way those SUVs negotiated the speed brakers. Even though it was a pair of small speed breakers at a distance of 10 mts, sedans has to slow down (by the way speed brakers are meant to slow down). How ever this demonstrates the capability of SUVs to tackle our bad roads and no roads (or so called highways).

 

[S Class]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

So if the requirement is for a people/things mover, MUV/SUV it has to be!

Few days ago during morning walk, I saw two SUVs.

One was a Safari which was coming very fast opposite to me through the beach road. Saw it from a distance and was ready to jumb towards the right - but to my surprise he gave me more than enough space - and that was visible for me from a distance.

Then the Safari went through two speed breakers without any gear change or speed reduction. There was no change in the road roar also.

Second one was a Fortuner at the same point point while returning.
Fortuner too was coming very fast. The awe it creates and the bouncy ride visible to us from a distance made me to move towards my right max possible to the edge of the road. This guy was different and did not bother about small mortals on road and was speeding past dangerously close even though there was enough space on the other side.

The Fortuner also went through the speed breakers with out changing gears or reducing speed but with a big thud sound and a bounce.

So it depends on the person who is driving and not on the vehicle whether they are gentle or goon.

Second thing was the way those SUVs negotiated the speed brakers. Even though it was a pair of small speed breakers at a distance of 10 mts, sedans has to slow down (by the way speed brakers are meant to slow down). How ever this demonstrates the capability of SUVs to tackle our bad roads and no roads (or so called highways).

Correct, but seen that UV guys over-estimate their vehicles. I know about an accident of Scorpio where it turned turtle after hitting a bump at high speed.
Me too went in air when I was travelling in Endy when there was bump (uneven level) on smooth road while travelling at just over 100 kmph. Btw, I was in 2nd row.

There is no doubt that bad roads are handled well by UVs but it doesn't mean at high speeds, the rear passengers remain comfortable when UV goes over bump. UV may not suffer serious damage, but passengers back does !!

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Okay let's take it another way(It is a story built just now):-
On the same speed breakers I too reached in a Honda City racing against the Safari,I slowed down but Safari guy simply went on.Then I shifted down and started accelerating my car and even before he would have covered 1 km,I overtook him.Because my car was very much faster as well as handled better too.
Then came a 'T' point and the Safari guy simply went straight into the ditch but I managed to turn at a good speed.
Why?Because his car has a tough suspension and a big engine he was running like the hell,but my sedan drives more matured way and hence I ended the race,his car was neither having the good handling nor good braking,but mine had all the advantages.

Then I returned back and started racing against the Fortuner in a Cruze,this time also he overtook me on both the speed breakers and was doing very well too,he passed the 'T' point too and we had a good long race,once I was leading and then he leaded on bad patches,but then his FE cheated him and he was standing on the road with an empty tank,I again said him a goodbye.

This shows that FE is also against the SUVs.

 

[mastersquall]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

@S_class try same thing with sedan please please tell me what happen at highspeed >_> no car no matter which class can do better at 100 yes so call super cars . i have seen lot of expensive cars getting totalled just because they thought they have better machine those small bump is nothing to them . We are suppose to slow down but i hardly see any one doing . I myself no matter which car i am driving i slow down over bumps .

@TSIVipul i don't know which guy is stupid enough to compare SUV/UV and sedan >_> they are build for different purpose . They can not match each other . Sedan can't do what SUV can but SUV can't what sedan can do


please please stop thinking SUV/UV as sports or sedan cars they are built to drive like calm and steady not like speed freak . By driving your SUV over bump in highspeed you are damaging your suspension .

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

@S_class try same thing with sedan please please tell me what happen at highspeed >_> no car no matter which class can do better at 100 yes so call super cars . i have seen lot of expensive cars getting totalled just because they thought they have better machine those small bump is nothing to them . We are suppose to slow down but i hardly see any one doing . I myself no matter which car i am driving i slow down over bumps .

It can be done once or twice when the car has only driver and none else.Else you will have to get a new suspension for the car,while SUVs can do it 10-15 times..
+1 to master's idea.

@TSIVipul i don't know which guy is stupid enough to compare SUV/UV and sedan >_> they are build for different purpose . They can not match each other . Sedan can't do what SUV can but SUV can't what sedan can do


please please stop thinking SUV/UV as sports or sedan cars they are built to drive like calm and steady not like speed freak . By driving your SUV over bump in highspeed you are damaging your suspension .

Again +1,even I too think that whatever your car my be,bad roads are ment to be driven slow.Firstly people drive Safari or other SUVs like that and then they say "MAINTENANCE IS VERY HIGH"...

 

[S Class]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Okay let's take it another way(It is a story built just now):-
On the same speed breakers I too reached in a Honda City racing against the Safari,I slowed down but Safari guy simply went on.Then I shifted down and started accelerating my car and even before he would have covered 1 km,I overtook him.Because my car was very much faster as well as handled better too.
Then came a 'T' point and the Safari guy simply went straight into the ditch but I managed to turn at a good speed.
Why?Because his car has a tough suspension and a big engine he was running like the hell,but my sedan drives more matured way and hence I ended the race,his car was neither having the good handling nor good braking,but mine had all the advantages.

Then I returned back and started racing against the Fortuner in a Cruze,this time also he overtook me on both the speed breakers and was doing very well too,he passed the 'T' point too and we had a good long race,once I was leading and then he leaded on bad patches,but then his FE cheated him and he was standing on the road with an empty tank,I again said him a goodbye.

This shows that FE is also against the SUVs.

Haha. Enjoyed the story. Btw, the new Cruze 2012 will even beat Fortuner in straight line as it will now have 163 bhp engine, 13 horses more with better driving dynamics.

@S_class try same thing with sedan please please tell me what happen at highspeed >_> no car no matter which class can do better at 100 yes so call super cars . i have seen lot of expensive cars getting totalled just because they thought they have better machine those small bump is nothing to them . We are suppose to slow down but i hardly see any one doing . I myself no matter which car i am driving i slow down over bumps .

I never said cars can do this or not. What I meant to say that even if UVs can jump on it at high speeds, the passengers experience jerk, that's all. Jumping on speed-breaker is not a USP, be it car or UV as it damages both & the passengers too.

please please stop thinking SUV/UV as sports or sedan cars they are built to drive like calm and steady not like speed freak . By driving your SUV over bump in highspeed you are damaging your suspension .

Yes, point he tried to make was jumping at high speed doesn't give UVs an edge, thats all. I too have seen scorpios & safaris being driving at high speed even on kuccha roads......seems drivers think these vehicles can take anything. No doubt they are good for bad roads, but damaging suspension doesn't make sense.

 

[drivetech4]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

I never thought this thread will again start hitting! Good going guys!

 

[mukeshus]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

I never thought this thread will again start hitting! Good going guys!

I think you are enjoying this thread with popcorn...

 

[madaneeraj]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Dear Friends,

What I have seen is most of the people owning premium SUVs like Audi Q7 hardly do any off-road or to that extent even Fortuner guys too. This makes me think why people buy SUVs ??

Well as far as I know the SUV buyer could be of any of these-

Adventurous type Would love to go for an adventurous ride, off roading.

Need based Live in places where roads were built to demarcate fields from path. Nobody says the road are bad at these places, know why???
There is no road anymore, the very existence has been plucked from ground. Bolero Junta, people mostly switched from Jeep. I tried taking my Fiesta through one of these patches. God knows how many times i heard that thud, which I never dreamed off. Every strike questioned my very existence and love for my beauty. SUV would have been such a blessing. One day I will buy one

Need based, but Psychological I have arrived and you dare not to question my presence. Size of my power could be compared to size of my vehicle. Safari in malnourished North, endevour/Fortuner in developed world and Scorpio in West.

Need based, responsibility Need to carry a big family, do not want too intimidating- Captiva, Aria, Innova

Cost based, image No points for guessing, BMW X1, cheapest Beemer, otherwise not good for price if you remove the batch. Try selling it with a Maruti batch.

Possesion based X3, X5 etc

Occupation based Tavera, Sumo, Innova

Ignorance based Car which will question its very own exxistence. Can lead to state of mind-Not sure why bought it??? . Santa Fe

Hobby Based Aggressive but not Macho styling, Good looks but not intimidating. Looks costly but it is not- XUV

Knowledge based Know what they want or do not know at all. connoisseur or without taste. yes these guys buy Yeti. Again rare breed

Dream based People in my favorite city, Chandigarh. Saadi shaan vakhri, still buy the 20 year old engine. Pajero. You know why because its Pajero. Most beautiful raw pronounciation in Punjabi, Pajro, Pageero.

And last and the least,
For the people who does not exist Renualt Koleos

 

[S Class]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Well as far as I know the SUV buyer could be of any of these-

Adventurous type Would love to go for an adventurous ride, off roading.

Need based Live in places where roads were built to demarcate fields from path. Nobody says the road are bad at these places, know why???
There is no road anymore, the very existence has been plucked from ground. Bolero Junta, people mostly switched from Jeep. I tried taking my Fiesta through one of these patches. God knows how many times i heard that thud, which I never dreamed off. Every strike questioned my very existence and love for my beauty. SUV would have been such a blessing. One day I will buy one

Need based, but Psychological I have arrived and you dare not to question my presence. Size of my power could be compared to size of my vehicle. Safari in malnourished North, endevour/Fortuner in developed world and Scorpio in West.

Need based, responsibility Need to carry a big family, do not want too intimidating- Captiva, Aria, Innova

Cost based, image No points for guessing, BMW X1, cheapest Beemer, otherwise not good for price if you remove the batch. Try selling it with a Maruti batch.

Possesion based X3, X5 etc

Occupation based Tavera, Sumo, Innova

Ignorance based Car which will question its very own exxistence. Can lead to state of mind-Not sure why bought it???. Santa Fe

Hobby Based Aggressive but not Macho styling, Good looks but not intimidating. Looks costly but it is not- XUV

Knowledge based Know what they want or do not know at all. connoisseur or without taste. yes these guys buy Yeti. Again rare breed

Dream based People in my favorite city, Chandigarh. Saadi shaan vakhri, still buy the 20 year old engine. Pajero. You know why because its Pajero. Most beautiful raw pronounciation in Punjabi, Pajro, Pageero.

And last and the least,
For the people who does not exist Renualt Koleos

Enjoyed reading this...appreciate it.
Maruti X1 ?? So true.

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

+1 to Madaneeraj.
SUVs do play a bit too many roles for too many people,same is with sedans and hatches too.

Here most of the people call Pajero as PIJAARO,and its still most desirable SUV here.

A small example:-
My hot favorite car is 'YETI',although I vote for Sedans,but still I love Yeti,why?Answer is simple,for the practicality of Yeti.
Yeti is a sedan for those who wants sedan ride,performance and FE.
Yeti is a hatch for those who want practicality of a hatchback in city.
Yeti is an SUV for cross country movers.

Same way every sedan has a charm of its own like:-
Maruti:Low cost and low on maintenance sedan.
Honda:A performance+luxury sedan.
Skoda:Luxury at its height+performance+built like a tank sedan.
Fiat:An artistic sedan.
Chevrolet:A cunning sedan.
etc etc etc...

 

[S Class]

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After seeing new M & M Genio, even Xylo is nothing but pick-up truck with some seats & extended roof. I had no respect for scorpio for this very reason & with new Genio, even Xylo as MUV is out.

I wonder what will happen if we get a pick-up version of XUV 500 .
The side profile of pick-up XUV will be better than current one for sure though.

Btw, M & M is going to sell this in international markets also under the name Mahindra MUC.

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

Knowledge based Know what they want or do not know at all. connoisseur or without taste. yes these guys buy Yeti. Again rare breed

Dream based People in my favorite city, Chandigarh. Saadi shaan vakhri, still buy the 20 year old engine. Pajero. You know why because its Pajero. Most beautiful raw pronounciation in Punjabi, Pajro, Pageero.

Haha,I come in the knowledge based category,why?Because I love Yeti,for its practicality.Why practicality?Because:-
1):Its a big hatchback who wants practicality of a hatch in city.
2):Its a sedan for those who want the sedan luxury,driving dynamics,speed and economy of a sedan.
3):Its an SUV for cross country movers with nearly all the capabilities of an SUV.

About Pajero,its still the best SUV if you want s true blue SUV.Here in Meerut(and some other parts of UP) as well as most parts of Haryana,its PIJAARO!!

 

[TSIVipul]

Re: The BIG Debate: Sedans v/s SUVs

After seeing new M & M Genio, even Xylo is nothing but pick-up truck with some seats & extended roof. I had no respect for scorpio for this very reason & with new Genio, even Xylo as MUV is out.

I wonder what will happen if we get a pick-up version of XUV 500 .
The side profile of pick-up XUV will be better than current one for sure though.

Btw, M & M is going to sell this in international markets also under the name Mahindra MUC.

S-Class dear,I think there is no logic behind this reason of yours.Right?So how can you justify your words if I ask you:-
Even Safari and Aria also have ladder frames,and since trucks use them so they are also...

 

[raj_5004]

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S-Class dear,I think there is no logic behind this reason of yours.Right?So how can you justify your words if I ask you:-
Even Safari and Aria also have ladder frames,and since trucks use them so they are also...

He does not understand the concept of parts sharing. Every manufacturer does it.

TATA has built the Indica, manza, marina, CS - all on the same platform. toyota makes etios & liva on the same platform, innova & fortuner on the same hilux platform. It cuts down on manufacturing costs.