Replacement For 2012 VW Vento TDI

[Akash1886]

I don't know what's the fuss about this tin can build quality. dear, only the lower end of Maruti products (read - upto WagonR) have what we can really call as tin can build quality. Ciaz is a 10 Lac rupee car and one can't simply take Maruti's lineage as a reason to call it a tin can. I agree products like Rapid, Vento and such are better built but Ciaz is not exactly a bad quality car. If not for 10 Lacs, it fits totally well as a 7-8 Lac car at least based on its build quality.

Well, Honda City and Ciaz both are really flimsy in terms of build quality. I am owning City and have ample number of times seen in person the damaged Ciaz at my uncle's. I have practically checked the metal sheet used in panels of Ciaz at my uncle's dealership. I am telling you, its not a strong feel you'll get.

So dear please stop complaining about tin can build quality, if you want reliability, less maintenance, better space and such, you'll have to compromise on one thing at least.

Well said, you can't get best of everything in one car.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Compromises are a part of life.

What if I buy it from a pastry shop and before reaching home, finish that?I am foodie and can't compromise on food.

Even your Innova's build quality isn't upto the mark for a 15 Lac rupee car, but do we classify it straight as a tin can? Same is the case with Ciaz. They are build upto a certain standard for their demanded price and online reviews, etc. should not be the deciding factor of quality at all.

Best is to have a personal experience.

Regards

Akash

 

[Alpha]

Well, Honda City and Ciaz both are really flimsy in terms of build quality. I am owning City.

True. Suppose on a scale of 10, Rapid/Vento score a 9 for build quality. Ideally the current Honda City would be 7. What I wanted to say is Ciaz is slightly lower in build quality than the rest, maybe 6 (or even 6.5).

There is no alarming difference (in Hindi, zameen aasman ka fark) between City and Ciaz in terms of build quality to call Ciaz a 'tin can'. The fact that the concerned member is willing to go for a City but doesn't want to end up in a 'tin can' Ciaz is what is bothering me. As you have also said, Ciaz and City are very close in build. The thread starter is making the Ciaz look several notches below in build quality than the competition. In actual, it has close company of City when it comes to flimsy build quality and even Verna is not very far.

Regards,
Alpha

 

[Tornado]

Ciaz has body made up of Boron steel hence built quality is better but not as good as European counterparts.

Calling all models of MSIL is unjust.

 

[Music_Swift]

Saw Ciaz ZDI+ and TD'ed along with my driver just now.My driver said,Ciaz is good and it is very easier to drive than our Vento that too after a short ride from test drive parking till showroom.What I like in Ciaz is rear leg space and comfort.If you move the front seat behind,you can get out from rear seat with ease.I can say that it is one of the best Maruti which has ample amount of rear leg space and it has become my favourite Maruti after S-Cross.It is even better than our previous Vento due to lack of transmission hump and rear seat is best suited for 3 people.It has features which is also available in City but it misses out cruise control,sunroof.But,what Ciaz gains over City is larger 16 inch alloys whereas City has 15 inch alloys.Present on road price of Ciaz ZDI+ is Rs.12,60,000 OTR Hyderabad without any discounts.Dealer has one Ciaz ZDI+ in White colour but our preferred colour is Brown or Black.But,the dealer is willing to give Brown only as Black's production is rare.Even my dad also prefers the Brown only.So,Ciaz might be our next car as everyone is suggesting us to go for Ciaz only.But,I wanted to have a look at City or Jazz Petrol once again.The price of City VX Petrol itself is Rs.13,50,000 OTR Hyderabad and VMT price is Rs.11,54,000 OTR Hyderabad,which is Rs.2,00,000 cheaper than VX Petrol and misses out features like sunroof(not much important for us but want to experience it),leather seats,push button whereas Jazz V CVT costs around Rs.10,10,000 OTR Hyderabad.Which is best?Once again,going for Ciaz test drive with my parents as my mom wants to have a TD on it.

My heart says City Petrol whereas my mind says Ciaz ZDI+ in Brown colour.

 

[Akash1886]

My heart says City Petrol whereas my mind says Ciaz ZDI+ in Brown colour.

Firstly, Ciaz Diesel gets the 1.3 Diesel unit that is used in maximum number of MSIL cars. If at all you want a diesel car then go for Verna as I don't think the 1.5 I-Dtec of City is that refined. For Petrol, stick with City I-Vtec.

Regards

Akash

 

[Alpha]

My heart says City Petrol whereas my mind says Ciaz ZDI+ .

Why haven't you even fixed the fuel type yet? Trust me, this will reduce your confusion to a great extent.

 

[Music_Swift]

Guys,sorry for not adding the fuel type in above post.OK,now my heart says Honda City Petrol or Verna 1.6 Diesel whereas my mind says Ciaz Diesel SHVS ZDI+ as it available within our budget.I don't want to go for City Diesel as it is not good and my friend,who is City Diesel owner,said me to go for City Petrol only coz it has much better performance than Diesel one.

BTW,Hyundai is offering Rs.30,000 on Verna Diesel 2017 version whereas they are offering Rs.50,000 on 2016 version.On road price of Verna 1.6 SX Diesel is Rs.13,42,000 OTR Hyderabad whereas SX(O) costs Rs.14,95,000 OTR Hyderabad.But,planning to haggle some more discount on Verna as the dealer's manager is my friend's relative.They booked a Creta from himself and told me that he will get All New Verna 2017 version after its launch but I said I'll decide and say about it.

 

[Alpha]

Guys,sorry for not adding the fuel type in above post.

I meant that you haven't fixed/decided to go for a petrol car or diesel car yet. Not in that particular post, but in the entire car purchase thread. Once you are sure that you are going to buy a Diesel car only, then the options will be much less and same is the case with Petrol. This will help you in making a quicker decision.

 

[Tornado]

Why do you think city diesel is not good?

 

[F4frewin]

This is one heck of a search for a car with everything thrown around from used to new car from petrol to diesel with a tilt towards performance but with firm eye on budget run-of-the-mill cars (sedan, compact Suv, hatch or whatever). The real problem is the lack of clarity on what you want and who decides on the purchase. I do understand that most people go through this phase but there is a clear lack of vision in zeroing on what your family want.

Is there any common agreed priorities on what attributes you would like to be carried from Vento and what more can you add to it to find the suitable car. It seems from your search so far that every car is a potential buy. I think you should bother about discounts only after you have made up your mind on what to go for.

 

[helpinghand]

I would strongly recommend the ford ecosport platinum edition since it fits in your budget . It has great road presence and feels safe and solid . Every owner of a hatch back or sedan might have felt the need for better ground clearance in atleast some situation . Hence don't go with a sedan again . Ecosport is the best if you are in a hurry to get a car anytime soon . If not please wait for the new ecosport and Tata nexon which might be launched in the second half of 2017 .

 

[Tornado]

In hyderabad, you hardly need more GC, and yes most of the time car is going to run on highway. For visits to native OP has freedom of choosing existing Innova for GC purpose.

 

[Volksjäger]

Please do not buy Ciaz ZDI (nothing wrong with the car), having owned a Fiat Punto MJD and Swift Diesel, I can say I am very well acquainted with 1.3 MJD. It's a very good engine and it has got potential but it is not that well suited for sedans, you need bigger engines. It's a perfect engine for swift but not Ciaz. Even though with the VGT turbo, the engine has to work more in the Ciaz to carry the weight of a fully loaded sedan. So wear & tear of the engine will be more. I suggest, go with bigger engines when you go for a sedan, a 1.5 DDIS would do justice for ciaz. Yeah it's easier to drive because it has got good gear ratios and super light clutch.

I suggest updated 2017 Honda City 1.5 i-Dtech, which comes with increased GC and Honda came a long way in improving the engine and we have seen this engine crossing over 60k kms by one of our TAI members without any issues with mind blowing FE figures. So I can say that Honda engines are reliable so far and cheaper to maintain than Hyundai. One of my family member owns an amaze and I haven't heard of any complaints so far, neither about the service nor about the engine breaking down even at 68000 kms. There were issues such as brake rotors and liners wearing out but that was a quality issue in the amaze, but I see Honda City with good build quality and reliable mechanicals.

Or if you can wait for 11 more months , you can buy Toyota Vios.

"I don't want to go for City Diesel as it is not good and my friend,who is City Diesel owner,said me to go for City Petrol only coz it has much better performance than Diesel one."

I second this, diesel is actually tuned for mileage but it's no slouch in performance department. Diesel is naturally more torquey and for instance let's take a Petrol and Diesel City's with 4 people on board and luggage and now if you compare the performances of both cars then Diesel will easily outrun the petrol. Diesel just pulls effortlessly with load over its petrol counterpart. Ivtec is indeed a good performance machine, but Diesel is no sheep. You get performance + efficiency in diesel. In ivtec petrol, it's super smooth, powerful and fuel efficient for a petrol engine but its torque figures are still less than the Diesel.

So I must say, you should weigh your requirements before taking a decision. Are you a Petrol head and is refinement, 0-100 timings, long term reliability of petrols more important to you or a frugal Diesel for its efficiency and load pulling abilities ?

 

[Music_Swift]

Thanks for the inputs everyone.Ciaz is a good vehicle no doubt but there are few grouses with it:

1.Pickup-Ciaz being small engine,it's pickup would be poor as it is a small engine and it can't carry 5 people on board.
2.Build Quality-This is the typical Maruti thing but better than other Marutis.But,it is not solid as our previous Vento and my driver felt it lighter.
3.Design-My mom felt that front design and sides are not good and it felt like Ambassador in terms of design.But,she liked rear design as it gives BMW'ish look and she would feel the Ciaz big to drive.

I feel City is more suitable for ladies as Ciaz's design is too long and City is more lady oriented vehicle.Personally,I feel that Auto transmission would be better for my mom as she is facing leg pains and swellings since few months.

And,is Creta good for ladies with height of 5 feet 4 inches?Personally,after seeing Creta,my mom felt that it is bigger and she felt that Creta is not easier to drive in city.But,my close acquaintance,who bought Creta Diesel AT 4 days ago,said Creta would be easier to drive than City Diesel as it has AT.But,my worry is,will driver seat height adjustable feature solve the height issue of my mom,who would be driving the Creta most of the time?

 

[Godfather]

1.Pickup-Ciaz being small engine,it's pickup would be poor as it is a small engine and it can't carry 5 people on board.

Can't agree on this point buddy.
Well to put stats, Ertiga weighs more than Ciaz and it can ferry 7 people technically (cabbies do) and it has the same 1.3MJD. Tata Zest and Tata Manza weighs more than Ciaz and has same 1.3 engine and it carries 5 people. I personally drive a Zest and did city and highway trips with 5 adults without any hassles.