Next Generation Maruti Suzuki Dzire Launched

[kasscon]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

I agree with this but as we all know, Maruti has made sure that there is more than 1 choice to make, like if one sees a panel gap and gets dissatisfied, the Nexa Baleno comes up and says,hey I am premium and suddenly that makes more sense, then suddenly someone says, why take a hatch, check for an MPV, there comes the Ertiag, then some say, MPV are boring, lets take a look at SUV, there comes the Brezza,and then some say lets be quirky and why not choose a smart new generation Ignis, small but city friendly efficient and loaded with featurs, see Maruti has made sure that every nook and corner is covered in the sub 10 lakhs price range, so its their ability to make sure a customer who enters a Maruti showroom leaves with something to buy from like 6 different choices on same price bracket makes them invincible
I give credit for their effort, because its not easy to maintain this much portfolio , although they share parts etc,
They are keen on our market and they are getting well received day by day.

I agree with you on the portfolio range however its the same Maruti which never saw success in developed/other countries and packed their bags. India is the only market where they see this kind of success as Indian people are crazy about mileage more than safety or better tech.

And I admire Maruti's management in providing best in class customer service.

Another prospective to see the brand name is the product which made them what they are today was MM800 which got them the cheap to maintaine tag and brought the required loyalists. Even today people refer Maruti due to the goodwill which M800 earned.
Coming to the products that MSIL got today is not outstanding in there respective segment.

Another point If you remove MJD engine today then Maruti will loose 50 to 55% of their sales and you will see brand going down, which I don't see happening anyways. So Maruti will enjoy the brand royalty and they earned it

 

[Volksjäger]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

As there aren't any reliable automatic diesel options in the market and AMT diesel is the only reliable option that is currently available in the hatchback/subcompact segment, I might prefer the Dzire or may be a Swift DDIS AMT in the near future. I wouldn't have considered a Maruti if it this combo isn't available (Diesel AT).

"remove MJD engine today then Maruti will loose 50 to 55% of their sales and you will see brand going down"
Yes, the above statement is very true . MJD engine is the bread and butter for Maruti, a lifesaver you can say. MJD Engine + Automatic transmission + Price is the whole and soul reason for me to consider Maruti as an option. Orelse goodbye Maruti !!!

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

As there aren't any reliable automatic diesel options in the market and AMT diesel is the only reliable option that is currently available in the hatchback/subcompact segment, I might prefer the Dzire or may be a Swift DDIS AMT in the near future. I wouldn't have considered a Maruti if it this combo isn't available (Diesel AT).

"remove MJD engine today then Maruti will loose 50 to 55% of their sales and you will see brand going down"
Yes, the above statement is very true . MJD engine is the bread and butter for Maruti, a lifesaver you can say. MJD Engine + Automatic transmission + Price is the whole and soul reason for me to consider Maruti as an option. Orelse goodbye Maruti !!!

I think Swift hatch back would be far better car than Dzire, unless boot space is a cutting in factor, always hatch backs are stronger than compact sedans in the way the chassis are made, and looks more proportionate and easy to drive park and maneuver in traffic

 

[Volksjäger]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

https://gaadiwaadi.com/2017-maruti-suzuki-swift-hybrid-launch-date-price-specs-444444/

2018 Swift to come with
1) 1.5 Diesel at a later stage
2) 1.0 Boosterjet with 6 Speed Automatic
3) SHVS Technology

Is all this mentioned by Gaadiwaadi true ? Does anyone has any information regarding these particular engines and transmissions that are being considered or developed for India ?

I hope Maruti won't disappoint us with the Swift.

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

https://gaadiwaadi.com/2017-maruti-suzuki-swift-hybrid-launch-date-price-specs-444444/

2018 Swift to come with
1) 1.5 Diesel at a later stage
2) 1.0 Boosterjet with 6 Speed Automatic
3) SHVS Technology

Is all this mentioned by Gaadiwaadi true ? Does anyone has any information regarding these particular engines and transmissions that are being considered or developed for India ?

I hope Maruti won't disappoint us with the Swift.

Largely false, if they cant give a good six speed AT in Nexa, how are they going to give it to a SWift, and already we saw how greedy Maruti is when pricing their global chassis and engine, the Baleno Boosterjet RS is like pricing the rooster for horses money
So I guess its the same old 1.2 VVT and the 1.3 MJD thats going to power SWift with both having AGS
That said those engines are actually good enough for SWift

 

[vm2011]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

2018 Swift to come with ---

By and large it is true.
Yes true to some extent.
1. 2018 SWIFT for India will debut with the existing engines .
2. SWIFT RS will debut later with the 1.0 L boosterjet power train in MT at a later date after launch
3. 1.5 Suzuki diesel under development but could be replacing the 1.6 MJD , but not on priority

After the Launch of Vitara S ( 1.4L boosterjet) , the SWIFT SPORT (138bhp) will be launched in 2019!

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvKN8_ZNa3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYb6WQiNYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYifRNsohM

And what a resemblance to the Figo MK I facelift the new SWift has in its front fascia

Dynamically speaking in no way the new Swift has a chance to compete with the best of chassis in terms of ride, handling balance despite being light and having some good engines, but here in India a 138 bhp Swift will be a soaring success if they are ready to launch one, but again highly doubt it will happen as even Nexa Baleno RS gets just 100 bhp so in no way a SWift can go 100+ bhp

Vitara S however can be a product that could happen as the Brezza has no petrol option as of now

 

[vm2011]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

, but again highly doubt it will happen as even Nexa Baleno RS gets just 100 bhp so in no way a SWift can go 100+ bhp

Why not? If the Swift Sport will be retailed through NEXA!

SWIFT Sport will anyhow get a different front look and enough to differentiate from the regular SWIFT.

SWIFT Sport pictures coming up soon

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Why not? If the Swift Sport will be retailed through NEXA!

SWIFT Sport will anyhow get a different front look and enough to differentiate from the regular SWIFT.

SWIFT Sport pictures coming up soon

What?
I dont think so, because how come Baleno which is a premium hatch from Maruti be a lower powered car than a Swift with a Sport badge,
And we already know what the current SWift SPort is, just cosmetic changes and some stickers aside its a STUPID idea by Maruti to name a car SPORT here in India, just like how they made the RS badge valueless with Baleno
So my guess is Swift SPort will be more of cosmetic job,
If at all Maruti had a sporty car in mind, it should have hit Europe first where there is a real market for hot hatch and sporty car buyers, and judging by how the regular Swift is and its dynamics etc being far inferior to rivals like even current gen Polo,Punto,Fiesta etc I dont think a Sport variant of Swift/Baleno will be any good if at all they release it

 

[vm2011]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

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I dont think so, because how come Baleno which is a premium hatch from Maruti be a lower powered car than a Swift with a Sport badge,
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Baleno and Swift are global hatches and so as you say Baleno is premium over SWIFT.

But there is a SWIFT SPORT planned as in the current Global offering, but this time the engine will be the 1.4l boosterjet . Excerpts from the article...

A Swift Sport will follow in 2018 powered by the 138bhp 1.4-litre Boosterjet four-cylinder turbo petrol from the Vitara S. That’s a similar power output to the current Sport, but a torque increase and reduced kerbweight will boost acceleration. There will be much more scope for personalisation and individuality with the new Swift, too, with a variety of exterior and interior customisation choices.

Link

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

Baleno and Swift are global hatches and so as you say Baleno is premium over SWIFT.
But there is a SWIFT SPORT planned as in the current Global offering, but this time the engine will be the 1.4l boosterjet . Excerpts from the article...
Link

The SWift Sport of Europe was a great car, it was launched in Australia, and certain parts of Europe, it had a 1.6l VVt engine and had good dynamics and same looks as the pathetic SWift sport launched in India,
See there is a market for SWift Sport, Baleno Sport etc in Europe, but here in India what they give are just cosmetic shapes of the real performance cars they have outside India

And if Baleno RS is price like 8.6 lakhs just because of having a 1.0 booster jet engine and with 0 modifications to suspension, steering geometry,etc, I can only imagine how obnoxiously high Maruti might price a car with 1.4l booster jet, Again I dont think Maruti has any plans to bring a proper hot hatch to India, they are more keen on milking India for maximum market share.

 

[kkn13]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

^^ Even Audi, BMW and Mercedes do similar strategies with Audi Dynamic , BMW M Sport and AMG kit with only cosmetic changes in these variants but no mechanical changes

Not justifying Baleno RS, just saying all manufacturers do it for India
Even Polo has got "riced" "special edition" cars

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

^^ Even Audi, BMW and Mercedes do similar strategies with Audi Dynamic , BMW M Sport and AMG kit with only cosmetic changes in these variants but no mechanical changes

Not justifying Baleno RS, just saying all manufacturers do it for India
Even Polo has got "riced" "special edition" cars

Well I dont think thats true, if a Mercedes has an AMG badge it will have a stonker engine inside its hood no doubt about that, if Audi has a Quattro badge it will have an insane quick Haldex AWD under the chassis, BMW with M sport badges always deliver with RWD thrills and here as well there is no M badge for the 135i because its not sporty enough, but they have the M3 and M4 here which are true M cars, not just sporty badges
Audi has named top spec models of A3,A4 as 35,40 TDi TSi for a reason, they are just mainstream cars, a real Quattro Audi will have that Quattro badge and will perform like one as well and if Audi has an RS badge we will be lucky to spot one in an open road because it will be stupid fast, look at RS7 its a 2.1 ton sedan but has 570 PS and shoots from 0-100 in 3.5s, while regular S7 does 0-100 in 4.8s or so

Fiats Abarth has 145 bhp and suspension modes, Polo GTi has 1.8l 170 bhp engine and stiffer springs dampers and body kits , and GT TSi and TDi are named accurately, GT-> Grand Tourers not entirely hot hatches, Fords new Figo S has suspension lowered by 10 mm has beefier anti roll bars and wider 15" tires as well and funny thing is that one can get a Figo S at a cheaper price tag than a Swift ZDi which makes Fords light years better than Maruti in performance cars strata
SO its just Maruti and Hyundai who have this Sport,RS, etc badges put to shame here in India.

 

[kkn13]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

^^ So you havent done any prior research on this it seems
Im not talking about AMG cars, Im talking about regular Mercs with "AMG kits"
M Sport variants of BMWs are NOT M variants in India,
For eg- BMW X1 M Sport only has cosmetic changes
"Audi Dynamic" also does NOT have mechanical changes ONLY cosmetic
For eg- Audi Q3 Dynamic only has different headlights and some extra basic features like reverse camera which doesnt come standard....

As for 2.0 engines, they are pretty standard, at this point cars like Tucson, Hexa, Chevy Cruze,Endeavour are more value for money than Audi, BMW, Mercedes at the price ranges given they make same or more power output

Dont post for the heck of it , do your research, try and understand the point one is trying to make

Also Figo S etc arent "light years" ahead, its only marginally better, an enthusiast will find fun in even an Alto K10, dont be so elitist and triggered

Like I said before, Im not justifying Maruti.....

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Next Generation Swift & Dzire Launch By 2017

^^ So you havent done any prior research on this it seems
Im not talking about AMG cars, Im talking about regular Mercs with "AMG kits"
M Sport variants of BMWs are NOT M variants in India,
For eg- BMW X1 M Sport only has cosmetic changes
"Audi Dynamic" also does NOT have mechanical changes ONLY cosmetic
For eg- Audi Q3 Dynamic only has different headlights and some extra basic features like reverse camera which doesnt come standard....

As for 2.0 engines, they are pretty standard, at this point cars like Tucson, Hexa, Chevy Cruze,Endeavour are more value for money than Audi, BMW, Mercedes at the price ranges given they make same or more power output

Dont post for the heck of it , do your research, try and understand the point one is trying to make

Also Figo S etc arent "light years" ahead, its only marginally better, an enthusiast will find fun in even an Alto K10, dont be so elitist and triggered

Like I said before, Im not justifying Maruti.....

My point is Does the SWift Sport have anything that has in it to justify the Sport badge like at least a bigger engine like in old Baleno 1.6?
More importantly the Baleno RS ?
see Audi uses the Dynamic, X1 M, AMG kits etc in their naming of different options that can be added to their cars and those are not shown in their cars as badges, an M car will only have the M badge, and RS car will have RS badge in its back and all around it,

Maruti and Hyundai uses lot of stickers and badges and some body kits for some serious badge names, RS is a well known badge around the world, Rallye Sport it says in German is a very famous and serious name given for cars that have a huge pedigree and fan base following behind them .
Sport, i,F-Sport,R,RS,GT,GTi,GTD,GTR,GT,GT350,GT500,BOSS,ST,STi,WRX,WRX STi,CC,M,M1-2-3-4-5-6 , BRZ,FRS,ISF,IS,LS,... these are all badges that show a lot more than just stickers and graphics and some bumper designs
If a car has that badge it must have that special ingredient , thats how it is elsewhere but sadly not here in India for some brands.

I dont waste my time researching for such stuff, but from what I know when Fiat put an Abarth badge on the Punto, it delivered big time.
Ford put the 1.6S badge on Fiesta Classic, it delivered big time and the new Figo S, sure not as dramatic as the old 1.6S does have changes more than just badge or names unlike Hyundai Maruti who are just show off.

And I said Figo S light years better because as a package for around 7.22 lakhs ex showroom one can get a Figo S that has more space,boot space,better stock audio system,bigger tires,better brakes,bigger engine,bigger tires,better handling and ride as well and a track worthy car as well
http://overdrive.in/reviews/affordable-hot-hatchback-track-test-ford-figo/
Full lap times here for comparison
1. Figo diesel - 1:21.2
2. Punto Abarth - 1:21.3
3. Baleno Diesel - 1:23.0
4. Elite i20 Diesel - 1:23.1
5. Polo GT TSI - 1:24.1
6. Jazz Diesel - 1:24.3
7. BAleno petrol - 1:24.4
8. Figo DCT - 1:25.3
9. Elite i20 Petrol - 1:25.7
10. Jazz Petrol - 1:26.7
So think what the new Figo S can do with wider tires and 10 mm lowered suspension and beefier anti roll bars , it will be that much more confidence inspiring around bends and will do perfect justice to the S badge, all this while being cheaper than a Swift ZDi, so what should I say about the Figo S, it is light years better!