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[Highway Ranger]

Hello Highway Ranger, I am not sure if this is the best practice to move the complete assy outwards. Experts might be able to comment on this. To my knowledge, this is a feature added by TML to save the mirror assy from breaking in case some one hits it while overtaking you and wants to take it away with him.

I don't see any issue with keeping the mirror assembly a little outward - other than what nozzlering pointed out - like maybe the assembly loosing its tension and start rattling over the years. (Which I doubt, as many people drive with their side view mirror closed for long periods and when they open it, it still snaps in place)

Can you please explain as to how, moving the assembly a little outwards, will hinder the reason why TML added this feature?

@Appu,

I have seen the blind spot add-on mirrors, somehow I do not fancy them. I use the rear view mirrors very much in highways when I am racing to keep track of where the other driver is, and I don't want to be confused with 3 different magnifications of the rear view. As it is, the magnification of the central rear view mirror is different from the side mirrors.

 

[nozzlering]

I drove about 500 kms with assembly moved out a bit from its normal position. And it didn't move a bit. At the most it might snap back to its normal position. Thats it. This feature added by TML can be used by us for getting a complete rear view. Somehow I dont like the concave mirrors.

 

[autosafari]

Can you please explain as to how, moving the assembly a little outwards, will hinder the reason why TML added this feature?

I assume that Praf meant as follows.

'This feature is provided by TATA Motors to move the OVRM assembly backwards so as to protect it to an extent from breaking. When we have already moved the assembly backward/outward, there is not much play left for the mirror assembly to move in case of a hit.'

However in highways, its not relevant since this small play/outward movement provision provided is not meant for highways. (this adjustment will not protect it from hits or even a brushing at highway speeds.

This feature is meant for City - in crowded market streets and also while it is parked in crowded places where people or cattle can rub the OVRM while they walk past very close to the car and then again have to move further close to give way for a two wheeler or 3 wheeler pushing them.

In City driving when it is single road, it is better to position the mirror assembly in its original position and adjust accordingly (seeing a portion of the rear part) to make us alert on bikes cutting from left side.

 

[Praf]

I don't see any issue with keeping the mirror assembly a little outward - other than what nozzlering pointed out - like maybe the assembly loosing its tension and start rattling over the years. (Which I doubt, as many people drive with their side view mirror closed for long periods and when they open it, it still snaps in place)

Can you please explain as to how, moving the assembly a little outwards, will hinder the reason why TML added this feature?

@Appu,

I have seen the blind spot add-on mirrors, somehow I do not fancy them. I use the rear view mirrors very much in highways when I am racing to keep track of where the other driver is, and I don't want to be confused with 3 different magnifications of the rear view. As it is, the magnification of the central rear view mirror is different from the side mirrors.

Dear Highway Ranger, I mean that the feature is to safeguard the mirror from breaking. we are trying to use this feature for best view but this might affect the assy functionality.in long run like rattlimg etc. I dint mean that it will hinder the purpose why TML added this feature.
Drive safe!

 

[Praf]

I assume that Praf meant as follows.

'This feature is provided by TATA Motors to move the OVRM assembly backwards so as to protect it to an extent from breaking. When we have already moved the assembly backward/outward, there is not much play left for the mirror assembly to move in case of a hit.'

However in highways, its not relevant since this small play/outward movement provision provided is not meant for highways. (this adjustment will not protect it from hits or even a brushing at highway speeds.

This feature is meant for City - in crowded market streets and also while it is parked in crowded places where people or cattle can rub the OVRM while they walk past very close to the car and then again have to move further close to give way for a two wheeler or 3 wheeler pushing them.

In City driving when it is single road, it is better to position the mirror assembly in its original position and adjust accordingly (seeing a portion of the rear part) to make us alert on bikes cutting from left side.

+1 autosafari. You explained it very precisely

 

[Rudolf_Diesel]

hello guys: Need you comments on my query.

http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/f...uadrajet-7700-kms-completed-7.html#post187387

If the tripmeter reset will the AVG FE reading be reset. After reading manual in detail found that.

 

[Highway Ranger]

I assume that Praf meant as follows.

'This feature is provided by TATA Motors to move the OVRM assembly backwards so as to protect it to an extent from breaking. When we have already moved the assembly backward/outward, there is not much play left for the mirror assembly to move in case of a hit.'

However in highways, its not relevant since this small play/outward movement provision provided is not meant for highways. (this adjustment will not protect it from hits or even a brushing at highway speeds.

This feature is meant for City - in crowded market streets and also while it is parked in crowded places where people or cattle can rub the OVRM while they walk past very close to the car and then again have to move further close to give way for a two wheeler or 3 wheeler pushing them.

In City driving when it is single road, it is better to position the mirror assembly in its original position and adjust accordingly (seeing a portion of the rear part) to make us alert on bikes cutting from left side.

I am fully aware of the reason for this feature. What I would like to say is that by moving the mirror outward a little does not, in any way, reduce the effectiveness of this feature.

Normal position


adjusted position


Max position of the assembly in case of somebody hitting it.


As you can see, there is not much difference between the normal and the adjusted position.

I would also like to point out that by having this type of adjustment we are only trying to eliminate the blind spot which is there in normal text book setting and not create a different blind spot. (like blinding bikes coming close to the side of the car.) So this type of adjustment is good for both city as well as highway.

The idea is while seated in the correct driving position, when we move just the eye to glance at the mirror, the mirror should not reflect any portion of the car. But if you turn your head to look at the mirror you should be able to see the just the side line of your car.

In this type of adjustment you will be able to see any bike or whatever which is as close to your car (say a couple of inches) by just moving your eye to to the mirror and still can see the side of the car by turning your head to look at the mirror.

You can try with the passenger side mirror and see the result. Initially you might feel uncomfortable not seeing the back of the car in the view. I too felt the same. But after some days I got used to it and always follow this kind of adjustment.

Dear Highway Ranger, I mean that the feature is to safeguard the mirror from breaking. we are trying to use this feature for best view but this might affect the assy functionality.in long run like rattlimg etc. I dint mean that it will hinder the purpose why TML added this feature.
Drive safe!

Yes, that factor has been taken into consideration. Though I do not think it will be an issue, we should try and see what we can do internally to get just the mirror to move out without moving the entire assembly. In the meantime, this helps.

BTW, this issue is only with the driver side mirror. The passenger side mirror works fine.

 

[Highway Ranger]

@nozzlering, found a way of doing this internally - doing some simple modification inside the assembly. Right now, I do not have the time or energy to do it. I will post pictures of how to do it, when I finally do it.

BTW, on this trip to Chennai, I got a FE of 19.13kmpl for a distance of 470 kms that includes some city driving (around 130) kms in Bangalore and Chennai. On the return trip, got 20.91kmpl - 270 kms of pure highway driving. Both the figures with full time AC. Pretty happy with the FE.

 

[AppU]

That was a great mileage for a sedan, Buddy

 

[Highway Ranger]

Yes, but the city mileage is still around 15 kmpl.

Your car is still new. Your mileage will increase over the time. How much are you getting now?

 

[nozzlering]

Thats great. I am waiting for the pics highway ranger.

 

[AppU]

Your car is still new. Your mileage will increase over the time. How much are you getting now?

Inside the City I'm getting 12-13kmpl(full time A/C ON)
For in Highways it will be 17-18kmpl(full time A/C ON)

In Highways without A/C I got 24.4Kmpl.

That is the highest mileage I've got without A/C.

 

[Highway Ranger]

@nozzlering, This is just to give you an idea of how the whole thing is assembled inside the assembly. And what I intend to do.

Behind the mirror, the 3 screws circled hold the turning assembly


The white lotus shaped cup is fixed to the base of the assembly by the 3 screws and the black part, (on which the mirror is fixed), above it is connected by 3 cables rotates inside the white cup. the picture shows the mirror assembly turned to the extreme inside position. note that the white cup restricts the movement further.


The mirror assembly turned to the extreme outside position. Note again that the movement to any side depends upon the white cup, which is fixed.


Now the main part. the white cup is fixed by the 3 screws to the base on the 3 screw guide shown below. Now what I intend to do is to add some washer/spacer on the screw guide circled (between the cup and the base), there by effectively changing the angle of the white cup to move outward.


I need get some washers/spacer and one slightly longer screw to finish the job.


Any suggestions/advice?

 

[nozzlering]

Got it. You are going to tilt the whole assembly little outwards by adding wahser/s to the inner side holding screw (between the base and the lotus). Am I right?
when you're done let us know, how did you dismantle the whole thing? Is it screwed or snapped on? I am talking about the OVRM assembly.
Thanks for the valuable information buddy.

 

[Highway Ranger]

You are spot on.

The black triangular pad inside the car is snap on. under that there are 3 screws that secure the entire assembly to the car.

BTW, I think this can be done without removing the assembly from the car. you may need to stick the washer/spacer to the guide so that it does not fall off while fixing.

Will let you know after I do it. It might take some time.