1.3 mjd is a small engine but not a weak engine and only maruti knows how to do wonders with it.
Maruti Suzuki's New Sedan: Ciaz (Codenamed YL1)
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Don't know from where you got this reference, but all reviews so far contradicts to what you said. Yes, both (petrol & diesel) engines are not to the likes of enthusiasts, but certainly are not under powered or weak.
As per reports, Ciaz MJD does 0-100 in 11.X seconds, which is by far better than Honda City (14.3 seconds) and Toyota Corolla (13.X seconds). What finally matters is how well the engine is tuned for better output/performance, and in case of Ciaz, MSIL has done a creditable job for sure. Couple it with the best mileage in India (26.3 KMPL) and that sounds like a great package. Isn't it?
As per reports, Ciaz MJD does 0-100 in 11.X seconds, which is by far better than Honda City (14.3 seconds) and Toyota Corolla (13.X seconds). What finally matters is how well the engine is tuned for better output/performance, and in case of Ciaz, MSIL has done a creditable job for sure. Couple it with the best mileage in India (26.3 KMPL) and that sounds like a great package. Isn't it?
Absolutely Autorock.I agree 100%.It is really amazing how Maruti managed to play with the 1.3 Engine to provide 11.X sec 0-100 and also get the 26.3 km/ltr mileage the best in India.Kudos to the engineers.
Ciaz has more features than the corrola , a tad more power and price difference must be 3-4 lakhs.
Actually ciaz is 1105 kilos with 90 bhp and 200nm torque and corolla is 1230 kilos with legendary 1.4 D-4D engine with 90 bhp and 205 nm torque. Technically Fiat engine is a DOHC and D-4D is SOHC, and power is adequate for both the cars. But if Toyota wants, they can tune their engine for more power but they wont for the sake of mileage and reliability. And the price difference is 4-7 lakhs. Now corolla costs 19 lakhs otr for top end.
I may be saying a bit more but Ciaz seems to be on par with Toyota Corolla, almost![[glasses]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Glasses.gif "Glasses [glasses]")
Fit & finish and quality is better in Corolla, as expected. But as rightly mentioned, 6-7 lakhs difference is too much thus Ciaz looks VFM, where as Corolla looks overprized now
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Although the Ciaz and Altis feel similarly equipped, the Corolla Altis has some features which Ciaz doesn't have like
1. Rain Sensing Wipers
2. Automatic Headlights
3. HID Headlights with Auto levelling
4. Power adjustable driver seat
5. Lumbar support
6. Rear reclining seats to name a few.
This comparison is similar to the Octavia/Jetta compared to Audi A4 which also are similar in terms of Equipment but are cheaper by 15-20 lakhs. Just like Toyota being Premium compared to Suzuki, the same applies here also. Similarity in terms of Equipment and Size is playing a role here, but it isn't something new at all. If you take the 4th Gen City and Civic when it was launched, the new City has bettered Civic in features and other parameters yet is slightly cheaper then what Civic used to be once. If this mantra(comparing size & equipment of cheaper priced car vs the premium priced car), then Superb must be compared with E Class.
I think Maruti have taken cues of all the cars in the C segment and created one which would be a Success.
To me Ciaz has space like City, Features like Verna, Dynamics like Fiesta, Engine Power like Rapid, Value and Cheap Price like Sunny. All this makes it a very good car with very few negatives, but someone who has bought a Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Skoda, VW will never look at the Maruti Brand again no matter how much compelling and brilliantly packaged Ciaz might be. This will be the biggest difference between Ciaz and Segment King "Honda City"
1. Rain Sensing Wipers
2. Automatic Headlights
3. HID Headlights with Auto levelling
4. Power adjustable driver seat
5. Lumbar support
6. Rear reclining seats to name a few.
This comparison is similar to the Octavia/Jetta compared to Audi A4 which also are similar in terms of Equipment but are cheaper by 15-20 lakhs. Just like Toyota being Premium compared to Suzuki, the same applies here also. Similarity in terms of Equipment and Size is playing a role here, but it isn't something new at all. If you take the 4th Gen City and Civic when it was launched, the new City has bettered Civic in features and other parameters yet is slightly cheaper then what Civic used to be once. If this mantra(comparing size & equipment of cheaper priced car vs the premium priced car), then Superb must be compared with E Class.
I think Maruti have taken cues of all the cars in the C segment and created one which would be a Success.
To me Ciaz has space like City, Features like Verna, Dynamics like Fiesta, Engine Power like Rapid, Value and Cheap Price like Sunny. All this makes it a very good car with very few negatives, but someone who has bought a Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Skoda, VW will never look at the Maruti Brand again no matter how much compelling and brilliantly packaged Ciaz might be. This will be the biggest difference between Ciaz and Segment King "Honda City"
Can you tell us why people wont look at maruti again ? ![[confused]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Confused.gif "Confused [confused]")
Honda has 4-5 months of waiting periods and city can be bought for its petrol engine. i-vtec is the best in the segment but I wont agree with i-Dtec diesel engine. Hyundai has become expensive to maintain, Skoda/VW are great cars but again poor a.s.s and expensive to maintain.
Honda has 4-5 months of waiting periods and city can be bought for its petrol engine. i-vtec is the best in the segment but I wont agree with i-Dtec diesel engine. Hyundai has become expensive to maintain, Skoda/VW are great cars but again poor a.s.s and expensive to maintain.
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The new Honda City is not as premium as the earlier one considering many brands now offer premium sedans. Yes, they have a brand appeal but should that be main criterion to go for it? Buying a City today feels like some effort considering the stopped production and wait periods, technically that should not be considered a parameter for premium-ness.
I like the looks of Ciaz; FE & features are best and enough power to drive in a crowded city. If the prices are reasonable it should be a success given Maruti's reputation in India.![[clap]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Clap.gif "Clap [clap]")
I like the looks of Ciaz; FE & features are best and enough power to drive in a crowded city. If the prices are reasonable it should be a success given Maruti's reputation in India.
Can you tell us why people wont look at maruti again ? Honda has 4-5 months of waiting periods and city can be bought for its petrol engine. i-vtec is the best in the segment but I wont agree with i-Dtec diesel engine. Hyundai has become expensive to maintain, Skoda/VW are great cars but again poor a.s.s and expensive to maintain.
Honda has 4-5 months of waiting periods and city can be bought for its petrol engine. i-vtec is the best in the segment but I wont agree with i-Dtec diesel engine. Hyundai has become expensive to maintain, Skoda/VW are great cars but again poor a.s.s and expensive to maintain.
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Yes you are right, people are giving more importance to brand value than the vehicle itself. I hope Ciaz changes the perception of Maruti.
Maruti stocks ~ 9000 Ciaz's before launch. Could create record delivery after launch.
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As speculated earlier Ciaz is now confirmed for an October 10th Launch!
ZW has posted a video of Ciaz, take a look!
Maruti Ciaz: ZigWheels Video Review Slide 1
Maruti Suzuki Ciaz launch confirmed on 10th October | Maruti Cars India
ZW has posted a video of Ciaz, take a look!
Maruti Ciaz: ZigWheels Video Review Slide 1
Maruti Suzuki Ciaz launch confirmed on 10th October | Maruti Cars India
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Won't it be unfair comparing the Ciaz with Corolla?
Whatever there is on paper, it doesn't matter, some things are better caught when you get in the car and drive it. Ciaz may be at par with Corolla in space and even better in performance, but then Sunny also is. But, what about those dooorpads and many parts taken straight from Swift and DZire? I do own a Corolla and to be true, the Corolla is overpriced BUT it deserves to be pricier than the likes of City, Verna etc. Don't believe me? Check it yourself.
0-100 may come in 11.xx seconds, but that gives no information of the driveability this engine offers and no one can deny the fact that the puny 1.3l(1.248l to be precise) engine is still 'dead' in the low end. Comparing this child with a 1.4l or 1.5l or a 1.6l engine won't do justice.
Ciaz has got a better diesel engine!![[lol]](https://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/images/smilies/Laugh.gif "Laugh [lol]")
MS knows very well which gearbox to use but calling the MJD better than D-4D won't do justice. BTW, on what basis you declared MJD better than D-4D? D-4D engines are known to have a linear power delivery and bulletproof reliability and MJDs are known for their performance. D-4Ds are tuned to produce the power keeping in mind the long term reliability and durability(Else you think that the 3.0 in Fortuner can't produce 250 bhp?) while MJDs do give you performance. BUT, low displacement shows up while driving and you can't ignore this fact.
MJD requires you to keep working your gearbox to keep it on boil and that is a let down for many drivers. Ford Duratec, Honda i-dtec, Toyota D-4D and Renault K all are the engines which offer better driveability and a linear power delivery if compared to MJD. And man, take the MJD on hills and see what it offers
+100, Toyota is charging a premium for their badge but being an owner and have used two Toyota cars. I am happy considering the bulletproof reliability, low service bills(Will you believe that Corolla gets services in under 10k?) and the comfort it offers. By 3 am itself finished my drive to Jaipur and by 1 pm will be driving it back, I take that car on full night drives because of the peace of mind it has given to me and for me, that peace of mind, that assurance can be charged a lac or two premium over others.
Comparing Ciaz with City or Verna is a better comparo in my opinion. Except for what is on paper, nothing else can be compared in Corolla and Ciaz.
Fact: Maruti Suzuki may offer a better car but I am doubtful of its success in long run. Many buyers(including me) simply hate the Maruti A.S.S. because they may be good but the feel good factor is missing(Something Toyota do offer) and secondly the badge on the nose is considered 'low cost' in India(Throughout the world indeed) and anyone who is aware of the reliability and durability of likes of Honda or Toyota won't be looking at Maruti for sure.
Whatever there is on paper, it doesn't matter, some things are better caught when you get in the car and drive it. Ciaz may be at par with Corolla in space and even better in performance, but then Sunny also is. But, what about those dooorpads and many parts taken straight from Swift and DZire? I do own a Corolla and to be true, the Corolla is overpriced BUT it deserves to be pricier than the likes of City, Verna etc. Don't believe me? Check it yourself.
0-100 may come in 11.xx seconds, but that gives no information of the driveability this engine offers and no one can deny the fact that the puny 1.3l(1.248l to be precise) engine is still 'dead' in the low end. Comparing this child with a 1.4l or 1.5l or a 1.6l engine won't do justice.
Ciaz has got a better diesel engine!
MS knows very well which gearbox to use but calling the MJD better than D-4D won't do justice. BTW, on what basis you declared MJD better than D-4D? D-4D engines are known to have a linear power delivery and bulletproof reliability and MJDs are known for their performance. D-4Ds are tuned to produce the power keeping in mind the long term reliability and durability(Else you think that the 3.0 in Fortuner can't produce 250 bhp?) while MJDs do give you performance. BUT, low displacement shows up while driving and you can't ignore this fact.
MJD requires you to keep working your gearbox to keep it on boil and that is a let down for many drivers. Ford Duratec, Honda i-dtec, Toyota D-4D and Renault K all are the engines which offer better driveability and a linear power delivery if compared to MJD. And man, take the MJD on hills and see what it offers
+100, Toyota is charging a premium for their badge but being an owner and have used two Toyota cars. I am happy considering the bulletproof reliability, low service bills(Will you believe that Corolla gets services in under 10k?) and the comfort it offers. By 3 am itself finished my drive to Jaipur and by 1 pm will be driving it back, I take that car on full night drives because of the peace of mind it has given to me and for me, that peace of mind, that assurance can be charged a lac or two premium over others.
Comparing Ciaz with City or Verna is a better comparo in my opinion. Except for what is on paper, nothing else can be compared in Corolla and Ciaz.
Fact: Maruti Suzuki may offer a better car but I am doubtful of its success in long run. Many buyers(including me) simply hate the Maruti A.S.S. because they may be good but the feel good factor is missing(Something Toyota do offer) and secondly the badge on the nose is considered 'low cost' in India(Throughout the world indeed) and anyone who is aware of the reliability and durability of likes of Honda or Toyota won't be looking at Maruti for sure.