Maruti Suzuki Ciaz Facelift Launched

[GautamJ]

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I guess Ciaz is the biggest ever beneficiary of FAME tax exemptions ! I doubt even the real hybrids gets benefits like these! sigh

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We can expect price hike soon, as government have removed benefits for mild-hybrid vehicles. So prices of both Ciaz and Ertiga can rise.

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[der92]

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A price increase by ₹13,000 will not impact the sales. It's still a lot cheaper than City Diesel. Ciaz Alpha 1.3 costs just ₹3000 more than City Diesel Base Variant (SV)

 

[allhyundaicars]

Re: Maruti Suzuki's Ciaz Facelift Coming in 2017

We can expect price hike soon, as government have removed benefits for mild-hybrid vehicles. So prices of both Ciaz and Ertiga can rise.

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They haven't reduce the tax exemption so there won't be a price increase like der92 said.

 

[vijay_968]

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As a thorough Honda fan , I totally agree
1.3 MJD is a far more refined engine than 1.5 IDTEC

If petrol, City is best budget aside
If diesel, Ciaz is best, both on pocket and refinement etc

Ciaz 1.4 petrol is no slouch but its not as fun to drive in city limits as the 1.3 MJD

If they gave the 1.6 MJD on the Ciaz, itd shake up the segment totally especially since Ciaz is priced much lower than City, Vento etc right now. So 1.6 Ciaz can have pricing and performance advantage
Also Maruti Diesels generally have heavier steerings, so thats an added bonus for those who prefer it

I personally cant choose between my City steering and Ritz diesel's (now sold) hydraulic steering
I like both

Difficult NOT to respond - on two counts:

1. "If they gave the 1.6 MJD on the Ciaz, It'd shake up the segment" --- That is to be seen.

• COST: In Bangalore, S-Cross 1.6 DDiS costs 12.51 Lakhs (ex-showroom); good 1.42 Lakhs more than S-Cross 1.3 DDiS. Verna 1.6 CRDi Manual SX(O) costs 12.53 Lakhs and Honda City ZX MT Diesel is 13.78 Lakhs. How much cost advantage Ciaz 1.6 DDiS top variant will have ???
• PERFORMANCE: Came across number of S-Cross 320 Alphas in Bengaluru, Chennai and in 4 lane NHs. As long as their showing off was fun, I always enjoyed them having fun. Sometimes when the fun crossed the limit, my Verna showed "Who the Boss is". May be S-Cross tuning is like that. This, also is to be seen.

2. "If diesel, Ciaz is best, both on pocket and refinement etc" --- Verna's 1.6 CRDi Engine is asking, "Seriously ???".

 

[GautamJ]

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They haven't reduce the tax exemption so there won't be a price increase like der92 said.

Ohk, my bad.
Thanks for correcting me. Maruti seriously need to bring new generation of Ciaz, to me personally it feels outdated. Engines too are not to my taste.

 

[InsaneTurbo]

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City trumps Ciaz in March 2017



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[kkn13]

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Difficult NOT to respond - on two counts:

1. "If they gave the 1.6 MJD on the Ciaz, It'd shake up the segment" --- That is to be seen.

• COST: In Bangalore, S-Cross 1.6 DDiS costs 12.51 Lakhs (ex-showroom); good 1.42 Lakhs more than S-Cross 1.3 DDiS. Verna 1.6 CRDi Manual SX(O) costs 12.53 Lakhs and Honda City ZX MT Diesel is 13.78 Lakhs. How much cost advantage Ciaz 1.6 DDiS top variant will have ???
• PERFORMANCE: Came across number of S-Cross 320 Alphas in Bengaluru, Chennai and in 4 lane NHs. As long as their showing off was fun, I always enjoyed them having fun. Sometimes when the fun crossed the limit, my Verna showed "Who the Boss is". May be S-Cross tuning is like that. This, also is to be seen.

2. "If diesel, Ciaz is best, both on pocket and refinement etc" --- Verna's 1.6 CRDi Engine is asking, "Seriously ???".

1. Your prices seem off-
City VX Diesel- 15.83L
Verna 1.6 diesel SXO - 15.23L
Ciaz 1.3 Alpha Hybrid - 12.7L
S Cross 1.6 - 14L best offer in Mumbai when I enquired in Feb, fully loaded
Vento Highline Diesel - 14.3L
Rapid Style 1.5 TDI - 14.5L
^^ All prices were when I enquired in Feb since my SIL wanted a new car

There is roughly a 1L difference(not considering discounts etc) between 1.3 and 1.6 Alpha variants of S Cross
We can safely assume the same for Ciaz, at 13.7-14L minus any discounts etc
Add the fact that its got 320nm of torque in the S Cross,which is an insane amount and also the fact that Ciaz is a fairly light car and you have a segment best by around 50% more than the competition

IDTEC is nowhere as refined as the others plus its more expensive but car itself is comfy but doesnt feel like an upgrade for 3rd gen city owners at all
Hyundai CRDI is a good engine but steering and lack of punch compared to the others is a letdown. Legroom is a major con
Rapid and Vento have poor low range and hard clutches, DSG is more expensive and unreliable . Plus rear legroom is a con, not to mention the hump in the floor at the rear

2.
1.6 MJD has 320nm and 120bhp in stock tuning itself, people have taken it to an insane 390nm of torque and 150bhp after retuning
Verna has 120 bhp and 250nm of torque in stock form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf9G-ePUARw
The torque of the S Cross is a clear win
Max re-tuning of 1.6 CRDI is 140bhp and 310nm of torque afaik

Am not saying Hyundai 1.6 CRDI is a bad engine but steering is fairly lifeless and scary at high speed
This seems to be fairly rectified in the Creta , Tucson and Santa Fe to a large extent

 

[vijay_968]

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1. Your prices seem off-
City VX Diesel- 15.83L
Verna 1.6 diesel SXO - 15.23L
Ciaz 1.3 Alpha Hybrid - 12.7L
S Cross 1.6 - 14L best offer in Mumbai when I enquired in Feb, fully loaded
Vento Highline Diesel - 14.3L
Rapid Style 1.5 TDI - 14.5L
^^ All prices were when I enquired in Feb since my SIL wanted a new car

There is roughly a 1L difference(not considering discounts etc) between 1.3 and 1.6 Alpha variants of S Cross
We can safely assume the same for Ciaz, at 13.7-14L minus any discounts etc
Add the fact that its got 320nm of torque in the S Cross,which is an insane amount and also the fact that Ciaz is a fairly light car and you have a segment best by around 50% more than the competition

IDTEC is nowhere as refined as the others plus its more expensive but car itself is comfy but doesnt feel like an upgrade for 3rd gen city owners at all
Hyundai CRDI is a good engine but steering and lack of punch compared to the others is a letdown. Legroom is a major con
Rapid and Vento have poor low range and hard clutches, DSG is more expensive and unreliable . Plus rear legroom is a con, not to mention the hump in the floor at the rear

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1.6 MJD has 320nm and 120bhp in stock tuning itself, people have taken it to an insane 390nm of torque and 150bhp after retuning
Verna has 120 bhp and 250nm of torque in stock form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf9G-ePUARw
The torque of the S Cross is a clear win
Max re-tuning of 1.6 CRDI is 140bhp and 310nm of torque afaik

Am not saying Hyundai 1.6 CRDI is a bad engine but steering is fairly lifeless and scary at high speed
This seems to be fairly rectified in the Creta , Tucson and Santa Fe to a large extent

I'll answer "bottom to top".

Yeah, you are correct. Because of Verna's lifeless steering, I got involved in 10000 accidents, died a Million times and am afraid to cross 25 kph speed . Jokes apart, I expect anyone criticizing Fluidic Verna to have driven it at least around 10% of my Verna's Odo (which is > 58,000km). Fair enough ?

Hyundai's 1.6 CRDi has 126 bhp in stock. If you search on "tuning of this engine", you wouldn't find much reports. Why ? "You don't need it" could be a possible answer.

I got the Ex Showroom costs from respective manufacturers web site; for Bangalore. S-Cross prices came from Nexa site.

I'm not interested in glorifying Verna. But, when certain products are glorified, it catches my eye. Sometimes, I respond with a hope to help a potential buyer make an informed decision.

PS: BTW, I am pretty sure, if any manufacturer other than Maruti had launched Ciaz, it would have been a failure. Linea, Manza, Sunny, Scala, Punto, Fabia all come to my mind. Hummmm

 

[kkn13]

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I'll answer "bottom to top".

Yeah, you are correct. Because of Verna's lifeless steering, I got involved in 10000 accidents, died a Million times and am afraid to cross 25 kph speed . Jokes apart, I expect anyone criticizing Fluidic Verna to have driven it at least around 10% of my Verna's Odo (which is > 58,000km). Fair enough ?

Hyundai's 1.6 CRDi has 126 bhp in stock. If you search on "tuning of this engine", you wouldn't find much reports. Why ? "You don't need it" could be a possible answer.

I got the Ex Showroom costs from respective manufacturers web site; for Bangalore. S-Cross prices came from Nexa site.

I'm not interested in glorifying Verna. But, when certain products are glorified, it catches my eye. Sometimes, I respond with a hope to help a potential buyer make an informed decision.

PS: BTW, I am pretty sure, if any manufacturer other than Maruti had launched Ciaz, it would have been a failure. Linea, Manza, Sunny, Scala, Punto, Fabia all come to my mind. Hummmm

Thats unfair , Ciaz is a compelling product , engine power aside
They have a decent AT and excellent legroom at a good price
Maintenance is on the lower side too

Fiat 1.6 MJD is one of the most acclaimed enthusiast engines around, its mod friendly and very popular with good reason. So much so , that its direct competitor in terms of performance is usually the 1.8 TDI in Octavia since it surpasses the engines this side of 20L thanks to sheer torque
If it had a decent AT or even DCT/DSG, it would have been a hit
Manual+high price+ uninspiring looks/stance is what kills the S Cross sales

Ive mentioned before, steering is a very personal preference but at higher speeds, the need for hydraulic steering is very important to prevent oversteer in terms of emergency maneuvers, not saying this isnt possible in Hyundai steerings but it requires more judgement and driver skill

Ive driven my friends Grand i10 and my Innova enough to know this , the ghat section is scarier with Grand i10 since steering feedback is very less but on my first drive of Innova , I was very confident of tackling the ghats

As for "You dont need it", no engine needs it , its purely upto user preference but hey if anyone ever needs to go down that route/intends to. VW TDI,TSI and Fiat MJDs are the easiest and safest to mod given the amount of trial and error conducted on them

As for prices, Ive posted Mumbai (Central) prices and have the price lists at my brothers house

About the following cars-
Linea, Manza, Sunny, Scala, Punto, Fabia

Linea and Punto- Good engine and build but poor driving position and weird ergonomics.
Manza- Good features but tonnes of niggles at launch, some members here have had a good experience with it , some havent
Sunny- Excellent engine, best in class legroom , ancient cabin and long throw clutch and gearbox. My cousin swears by it even if he had problems with his dealer in Pune intially.
Scala- Never took off for some reason , surprising since Duster is more popular than Terrano.(Same platform, engine etc)
Fabia- Excellent build but poor reliability and after sales. Engine was also nowhere near its cousin the Polo and hence was discontinued.

Ciaz- Excellent rear seat comfort, good pricing and features but very low engines compared to the competition. City is its main competitor but Ciaz is more spacious.

Also Im not glorifying anything, just stating the obvious after TD of all the cars and multiple views of others. Not saying any product is good or bad. This segment is very complicated, all cars offer very different feel and target different people. None is exactly better than the other.

BTW dont take this in an offensive way, just a discussion of personal preference nothing more. Sorry if OT

 

[vm2011]

Re: Maruti Suzuki's Ciaz Facelift Coming in 2017

Maruti Suzuki Ciaz starts testing its facelift version for an early 2018 launch. Expect DRL's and sunroof for its Alpha variant

Completely new dash panel, infotainment system and possible change in power train.

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[vm2011]

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Maruti Suzuki Ciaz likely to get the CVT.





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[InsaneTurbo]

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Ciaz at 4724 for May 2017

 

[teamsachinf1]

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Guys I need your help here ?! I have booked a ciaz alpha petrol recently. Do you all think that the updated ciaz is gonna hit the road soon ? Any ideas about the same . And the dealer has in his possession an April 2017 alpha which he has said can be delivered immediately. Do you all think it's ok for me to go for an April 2017 vehicle or do u think I should wait for a newer vehicle . Pls experts enlighten .

 

[InsaneTurbo]

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The post GST prices of CIAZ has took it dangerously close to Scross 320 Alpha variant , waiting for the revised prices from competition :

 

[vm2011]

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Maruti Suzuki successfully test Ciaz with Suzuki's 1.5l diesel engine.

Facelift Ciaz for 2018 will get the new 1.5L petrol as well, replacing the current 1.4l Petrol.

Updated engine to replace the 1.3DDis in Ciaz first and will see this engine in all its future products and will save on the royalty paid to Fiat. Likely to get the bigger engine from Fiat's powertrain division.

This power plant has been developed in-house by Suzuki, which helps eliminate the need for any loyalty payments. In addition to the larger diesel engine, Maruti is reported to be working on a 1.5-litre petrol mill as well. This engine is likely to replace the current 1.4-litre unit. Both the new engines are expected to be launched in the Ciaz in 2018.

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