Maruti Suzuki Celerio Diesel Now Launched! (Details: Page 7)

[furious_driver]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

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If you want more power and have more money then why did you go for an Alto at first? and then for a better new car?
You should have gone for a test drive even before making the purchase of that small 800cc car and should have made wise decision accordingly, isn't?
If you found, alto is not your cup of tea, does that mean its a bad car for every other people? Obviously we cant expect an all-rounder in the entry level cars.
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I never said Alto was bad. It was just not for me. But my point is, if 800cc Alto is struggling to do that with such lightweight body, then Celerio with such kerb weight and puny engine would be worst!

 

[Kichu]

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if maruti doubled this engine capacity by adding extra two cylinders the weight will doubled 89kg +89kg =178kg thats more then Honda I-DTECH engine(156Kg)

If its the same 89kg adds up then most probably its gonna be like, the cc will also get doubled to 1586cc resulting 125+125=250Nm and 47+47=94Bhp of output

When Honda Idtec weights 156kg, Honda J series J30A V6 3L engine weights just 110kg. Cylinder numbers are not directly proportional to the weight.

I never said Alto was bad. It was just not for me. But my point is, if 800cc Alto is struggling to do that with such lightweight body, then Celerio with such kerb weight and puny engine would be worst!

Even I didn't say you said alto is bad.
How about Tata indica then? Its kerb weight is 1000kg and its power is about 48Bhp at 5000rpm. Much higher than that of celerios, isnt it?

May be my mistake, but still as a reader I felt it as blame especially when you said you wish it to be a flop. Hence I questioned.

@Akash,

So its gonna be a 3 pot engine?

 

[Akash1886]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

@kichu, from quoted source it does seem to be so.

Regards

Akash

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

How about Tata indica then? Its kerb weight is 1000kg and its power is about 48Bhp at 5000rpm. Much higher than that of celerios, isnt it?

We can't compare tata Indica v2 diesel sir because it's 4 cylinder engine capacity is munch higher then in its segment it's free revving natural aspiration engine refinement levels are war better then other NA engines capable to pull heavy load

When Honda Idtec weights 156kg, Honda J series J30A V6 3L engine weights just 110kg. Cylinder numbers are not directly proportional to the weight.

How can you compare two different platform engines each other and say cylinder numbers are not directly proportional to the weight engine wait proportional to different engine platforms if maruti use current 2 cylinder 800cc engine block as a base of bigger four-cylinder engine then weight will be definitely doubled then current 800cc mill. So 178-180kg for all aluminum 1.6L 4 cylinder engine will be a much heavier than while compare with cost iron block engines

 

[Kichu]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

We can't compare tata Indica v2 diesel sir because it's 4 cylinder engine capacity is munch higher then in its segment it's free revving natural aspiration engine refinement levels are war better then other NA engines capable to pull heavy load

Hey brother, dont call me Sir you can call me my name.
I agree with you, No two engines with difference specs can be compared.
If you go through my previous posts once again, you can make is clear that I didn't say/compare anything about the engine refinement of either celerio or indica.

The reason for comparing it with the indica why because, one was saying something like 'alto struggles to drive with 5 onbaord with the AC ON, so this celerio gonna be even more less performing car in such similar situation'. So i brought this indica which is having almost similar/lesser theoretical engine output figures.

• Indica 48bhp@5000rpm 85Nm@2500rpm
• Celerio 47bhp@3500rpm 125Nm@2000rpm
• Alto 48bhp@6200rpm 63Nm@3000rpm
• AltoCng 39bhp@6200rpm 54Nm@3000rpm

Quoting my own words to show you what did I actually say about indica.

Celerio diesel is a turbocharged engine, its peak power is at 3500rpm in against to alto's 6000rpm. So really cant be blamed before taking a test drive to know the actual scenario.
FYI: Indica NA diesel engine has 48bhp@5000rpm and 85Nm@2500 torque. Still people are using this car, because for them it must be enough. People buy their car according to their requirements, isn't?

Anyways, If you say its far easier for a NA indica to reach 5000 rpm than the turbo charged celerio to reach 3500rpm then I have no other words.

How can you compare two different platform engines each other and say cylinder numbers are not directly proportional to the weight engine wait proportional to different engine platforms if maruti use current 2 cylinder 800cc engine block as a base of bigger four-cylinder engine then weight will be definitely doubled then current 800cc mill. So 178-180kg for all aluminum 1.6L 4 cylinder engine will be a much heavier than while compare with cost iron block engines

Sorry for not comparing it with the same types of engines,the reason is I didn't get the weight details for the same type of engines.
Okay, do you have the weights of any same type of engines to support your words?
It will be good if you can find the weight of the suzuki kseries k10b and k12b or k14b engines. Even though its a NA engines, still I feel its not proportional.

I can't digest the way it get double when two cylinders are added to it.
For example, a new turbo for the 4 cylinder wont be equal to the weight of the 2 turbos used in 800cc engine.
You dont need everything in two numbers like two airbox, air filters, oil filters, catcons, oil sumps, alternator or two different pulleys each for running AC compressor, Crankshaft, water pump, alternator. Still if you feel it will be double or more, then seriously I'm not good enough to give you even more better explanation.
Anyways I don't believe weights are directly proportional to number of cylinders of two different engines which belongs to the same platform.(like if the weight of a single cylinder engine is xkg, then the weight will be 2xkg, 3xkg and 4xkg for 2, 3 and 4 cylinder engines respectively.)

 

[tdcarlover]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

My guess is that the Celerio-if priced right-will be the death knell of the Indica and kite. Imagine a car of same size, price with a maruti badge.
With petrol and diesel prices not so different i am not sure however if there will be too many takers for the Celerio diesel if it is at more than 30K more than the petrol
The test review (prelim) at autocar website

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

Celerio diesel engine noise compared with Swift Diesel engine noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=165&v=4A85wKMr3i0

Celerio diesel engine noise almost similar to TATA ACE pickup

 

[Kichu]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

Celerio diesel engine noise compared with Swift Diesel engine noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=165&v=4A85wKMr3i0

Celerio diesel engine noise almost similar to TATA ACE pickup

I guess sound will be a Big turnoff for most of the people, even though inside the cabin doesn't seem to be too loud.

 

[nishant5858]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

The Sound inside the car in the video seems to be not disturbing, but in real you will hear this engine sound more then say Swift. Because the engine sound of Swift, Polo, Elite i20, etc can be clearly heard in cabin. I don't think the Celerio will be more refined then these hatchbacks

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

The Sound inside the car in the video seems to be not disturbing, but in real you will hear this engine sound more then say Swift. Because the engine sound of Swift, Polo, Elite i20, etc can be clearly heard in cabin. I don't think the Celerio will be more refined then these hatchbacks

for me the engine noise seems almost similar to old maruti zen D 1.5L TU5 engine noise but if Celerio manages to give 19kmpl to 21kmpl in city B2B traffic conditions people will prefer to buy this car my compromising NVH levels but here the major role will play pricing strategy current Celerio price starts Ex-Showroom-Hyderabad- 4.03Lack for LXI On road price- 4.63Lacks.

So if Maruti managed to price around 40k to 60k more then petrol version of Celerio it will bang for bucks diffinately will have some impact on TATA Indica v2 sales Because present TATA Indica V2 LS is most affordable diesel car(BS3 version) in our country 4.36Lacks ex-showroom and 5.15Lacks on road price

So before we expect price of Celerio diesel lets compare price difference between petrol and diesel cars

Chevy Beat- 89K difference between Petrol and Diesel car

Maruti Ritz- 1.06Lacks difference between Petrol and diesel car

Maruti Swift- 1.24Lacks difference between petrol and diesel car

 

[HARI GANGADHARAN]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

Celerio diesel engine noise compared with Swift Diesel engine noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=165&v=4A85wKMr3i0

Celerio diesel engine noise almost similar to TATA ACE pickup

It remembers me the engine noise of maxximo pickup.

 

[gaddambhargavareddy]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

More details emerge on the engine of the Maruti Celerio diesel – Report


The Hindu BusinessLine has published more details on Suzuki’s first self-developed diesel engine, which will make its debut on the Maruti Celerio diesel which launches in India tomorrow.

Suzuki and Maruti’s engineers have been developing this unit for the past four years. While the Celerio is the first passenger car to feature this engine, Maruti also plans on using it for its first LCV codenamed Y9T.
The twin-cylinder 793 cc diesel engine does without a common-rail diesel injection, instead engineers along with Bosch have come up with an engine management system with a fuel injection block, a high-pressure fuel pump and a fuel control unit. Other features of this engine include a compact, high-revving turbocharger and four valves per cylinder.
The publication notes that the Celerio diesel will be about 70 kg heavier than its petrol sibling. While the lightweight engine tips the scale at a mere 89 kg, engineers have had to make structural changes to the car to make it more rigid for the diesel motor. These changes to the frame have contributed to 11 kg on their own.


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[TAUREAN CZAR]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

for me the engine noise seems almost similar to old maruti zen D 1.5L TU5 engine noise but if Celerio manages to give 19kmpl to 21kmpl in city B2B traffic conditions people will prefer to buy this car my compromising NVH levels but here the major role will play pricing strategy current Celerio price starts Ex-Showroom-Hyderabad- 4.03Lack for LXI On road price- 4.63Lacks.

So if Maruti managed to price around 40k to 60k more then petrol version of Celerio it will bang for bucks diffinately will have some impact on TATA Indica v2 sales Because present TATA Indica V2 LS is most affordable diesel car(BS3 version) in our country 4.36Lacks ex-showroom and 5.15Lacks on road price .
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I am using an Esteem Deisel owned by my inlaws which was standing idle for some time as my wife needs to use Skoda. My work place is just 2 km away. The NVH in this day is unacceptable. But in those days they were. Even sluggishness of the Indica or the Zen/Esteem was not a point of discussion as even highways were ill developed.

But in this age of new and swift moving cars I don't think this is not at all digestible. The levels of NVH in the Celerio Deisel is a strict No-no. Even the Indica has become mature in the past few years and is now lighter and powerful developing 70 BHP compared to 48 BHP earlier .

So before we expect price of Celerio diesel lets compare price difference between petrol and diesel cars

Chevy Beat- 89K difference between Petrol and Diesel car

Maruti Ritz- 1.06Lacks difference between Petrol and diesel car

Maruti Swift- 1.24Lacks difference between petrol and diesel car

It will be a disaster for MSIL to sell this car at this price as it is about the same price as the Indica V2 and almost same FE (25 vs 27kmpl) but Indica is more powerful and safe car especially a good highway cruiser, can sustain abuse and is also economical to maintain.

 

[furious_driver]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

Guys, this car will sell. There are people who doesn't give a thing about NVH, interiors etc. All they need is good FE diesel car from MSIL at decent price. If MSIL priced it right, people pay for booking with their eyes tied up with a cloth!

 

[m_sherbet]

Re: Celerio and Eeco To Get Sub 1-Liter Diesel Engine in 2016

Guys, this car will sell. There are people who doesn't give a thing about NVH, interiors etc. All they need is good FE diesel car from MSIL at decent price. If MSIL priced it right, people pay for booking with their eyes tied up with a cloth!

Celerio Diesel will sell very well in the Taxi market (intra-city). It could be priced between 5 & 6 lakhs. I don't think many personal car buyers will go for Celerio Diesel.

Indica with the CR4 engine is still exceptional value-for-money product. The company has added several comforting features to this car over the years, making it even more attractive. Only the body shell & interior design is old, otherwise this car still makes a lot of sense.