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4. Did you felt the turbo kick?
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Nope, this is not a fun to drive car. So no kicks and punches.
Linear power delivery is imperative to the better drivability in the city and for extracting better engine efficiency from a tiny 2 pot engine.
But still if the kicks are unavoidable for you, then you can use the AC ON/OFF button which should work through out any rpm range in any tiny engine. lol
The topic has been moved from 2v3cyl -> NVH -> Power/Weight ratio -> 0-100!!! Next what, installing nitrous?
Nitrous? Heights of trivializing!!!
FYI, 0-100 came just because of some people's crooked mind. They were saying about the painful thoughts about the Celerio's and the nano car's overtaking scenarios
by leaving all other slow cars apart
FD, let it be a single cylinder vehicle or a vehicle with a v8 engine. When its about an overtaking scenario, its all about the acceleration of that vehicle. Which can be evaluated with the vehicle's ability of how fast a vehicle can do 0-100kmph.
Seriously don't you know about this? Or here I'm wrong with my concept?
No use in putting up and arguing against numbers, especially the topic you guys have been barging about. We have seen enough TD by TAI members to come up with general conclusion. If what DJBro said is true, I guess driveability is acceptable if not worst, but the price-performance ratio is ridiculous. Let's do individual TD before spamming this thread anymore.
Point. Let the interested people test drive it and the let the satisfied people buy it. Its that simple.
Or else, Instead of just hanging with the "over priced" slogan, help the "uninformed" people by moving against the MSIL legally. Which makes more sense.
For an AVERAGE user (not an individual - but taking the average of all users of a model of a car), it is bound to be a combination of idling + bumper to bumper + normal city + highway rides. Hope you agree. Hence, ARAI came with a common pattern for all cars to arrive at a benchmark FE figure. No one can expect to get the same figure - because it is simply impossible. Even the driver who tests the car at ARAI will not be able to achieve that figure in real time if he drove the same car.
Vignesh, from this words I didn't understand you mean,
EXACT ARAI FIGURE WITHOUT ANY MINOR CHANGES. Because of this confusion I thought you are in a position to say no one gets closer to the arai figure.
But still cant blame the ARAI figure too much, since they do only need to consider the FE of a sedate driving style. Majority of us are not sedate most of the time.
Apart from the idling conditions in the traffic blocks, most of the users will be doing extra idling because of their unplanned usage.
I dont think its practical to make a single "ARAI figure" which can be used to represent every users every types of driving styles in every kinds of traffic conditions.
Instead, ARAI results should have given 3-4 different figure like How many litres of fuel for idling an hour, How many litres of fuel required for an hour to drive the engine in its economy zone in its top gear etc. So one can easily calculate the ARAI figure according to his usage of the car.
You will get the best FE from your car when your vehicle travels at its maximum possible speed when the engine rpm is in its economy zone.
I mean, just by looking at the
Price of celerio with respect to its NVH, none can accept it.
Where as
price with respect to its Size and Rigidity its acceptable, if one can accept celerio petrol car for its price.
No, you didn't say anything about the Beat. But I feel nobody will go for a ciaz, city, jazz etc types of costly vehicles instead of this small hatchback just because the mileage their FE is almost similar.
For making it more clear.
A person who is able to buy a proper diesel sedan, definitely wont be making a comparison it with the .8L 2 pot diesel hatch back just because of the mileage part. Instead he may compare those big cars with the i20, polo or punto diesel hatchbacks
So when its about the car Celerio-Diesel one will be comparing it with the cars which comes under similar price tag.
hence the Entry of the Beat to show you the price with respect to the weight and rigidity is acceptable for the people even though Beat is superior with its NVH.
Anyways,
if you are a person who didn't accept the car Beat Diesel, then seriously I respect your mentality towards the car Celerio Diesel(Because I believe in, To each his own). But here there are lots of people who just need to blame the Celerio-Diesel and praise nano as the far superior car.(Here it doesn't mean nano is a bad car. And I repeat, every cars are good for the people who thinks it ticks majority of their requirements.)
Even by your logic, we are talking about chopping of a cylinder, and less cc compared to Beat! By no means, the pricing is logical for Celerio-D!!
I think I already asked you before, but didn't get the reply for that. So asking you again since you are again favoring beat's pricing without any problem.
Just make it clear, according to you what should be the logical pricing for the celerio Diesel?,
Delhi Exshowroom price starts@
Celerio Petrol 3.9Lac Diesel 4.6Lac
Beat Petrol 4.2Lac Diesel 5.1Lac
I repeat, my question is not about which car is best, Instead its about the logical pricing for the Celerio according to your logic!
And not to mention, the mileage figures are not what was rumored(it was said to achieve 30 km/l!!!) to be! So what made them price the already overpriced car?
I think they were saying, expecting a 30kmpl diesel car. Anyways giving a false hope is really wrong.
How about TATA Nano @ "1Lakh" Rupees ???
I understand your love for MSIL, but will you please post something meaningful? Sorry for saying this, but for me it felt like this when I read the "quoted" line!!
Our First car was Amby(Sold), the second car is A-star and the third is Vento.
Since one of the car is of MSIL that doesn'e mean I have special interest towards MSIL and or I hate every other brands.
Even if this celerio P and D belongs to the Korean company there wont be any change for me to accept the car for what it is.
This car is made of the sedate users for achieving more FE from the most cheapest and safest entry level diesel car(Atleast as of now)
Now about "meaningful" posts part.
No FD, you can't find any of my posts to be meaningful. Since my post will be everything within the limits of this car. There you cant find things related to the drag race with other powerful hatchbacks or Nitrous or highspeed cruising etc etc.
Just from this Quote
Did you felt the turbo kick?
Its very clear what is your aim is / You are a person who doesn't know what to expect from an engine.
A well informed and unbiased person should have asked about the "linear power delivery" of this turbocharged car. Or still about the "turbo kick" but without any sarcasm.
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Nano actually with it noises and whistles at least doesn't face criticism with regards to the pricing. TATA priced it after much thought it seems. In a 2 Lac car the buyer's views would certainly be different from that about a 6 Lac Car.
