Maruti Suzuki Baleno Hatchback: Technical Issues & Solutions

[bhvm]

at just 550rpm, there's hardly any power going into the Battery and that Means all lamps and accessories are actually sucking the Battery!. no wonder your Battery is discharged and lights dim.
ask them to set idle around 700-800rpm like all other Cars.

 

[Suryaputhra]

at just 550rpm, there's hardly any power going into the Battery and that Means all lamps and accessories are actually sucking the Battery!. no wonder your Battery is discharged and lights dim.
ask them to set idle around 700-800rpm like all other Cars.

Ideal speed is controlled by ideal actuator in the electronic throttle body assembly and the ECM. It can not be modified. As per the car design there is a current sensor on the battery if battery voltage is less than specified voltage ecm will raise the rpm automatically. I use my dzire once in week my battery never undercharged. I read good charging voltage at ideal speed. Ameyam case is due to throttle body calibration.

 

[ameyam]

Idle speed can be modified but I am not sure how. When I was learning to drive, my Waggie had decent rpm but I was learning, so it kept stalling. When I mentioned this to my mechanic, he increased the idle, so the car never stalled even if I was not accurate with the clutch.. Much later, when I was more used to the car and driving, he dropped the rpm again.

With the Baleno, I have seen it drop under 600 rpm several times. Case in point this snap I had taken when driving some time back
Today with the car in parking, I was able to get this output from the OBD scanner. Lowest rpm is about 620 with the aircon on in ACC. With the aircon off, the car idles between 640 and 660rpm. Yes, its weird that the idle is higher without aircon than with. Also, this was in the middle of the afternoon but with the car shaded by buildings. Outside temp was showing 26 Deg C on the MID and inside was set to 24 or so.
A small thing I noted- with the ACC set, the fan runs at very low speeds and idle rpm remains low but if you raise the fan manually, idle rpm rises. Not sure if its related.
Another thing- I always felt suffocated in the car with the aircon in ACC. Cool but suffocated. I like more air movement but at higher temperatures, even in my Swift. Yesterday night on the way back from work, I drove the air at a higher temperature (26 or something) but with the fan running at a higher speed manually and it didnt stall or brownout even once on level roads. Again not sure if its related
I will again test the car with the OBD for idle rpm in the evenings

Ameyam

 

[Suryaputhra]

Idle speed can be modified but I am not sure how. When I was learning to drive, my Waggie had decent rpm but I was learning, so it kept stalling. When I mentioned this to my mechanic, he increased the idle, so the car never stalled even if I was not accurate with the clutch.. Much later, when I was more used to the car and driving, he dropped the rpm again.

With the Baleno, I have seen it drop under 600 rpm several times. Case in point this snap I had taken when driving some time back
Today with the car in parking, I was able to get this output from the OBD scanner. Lowest rpm is about 620 with the aircon on in ACC. With the aircon off, the car idles between 640 and 660rpm. Yes, its weird that the idle is higher without aircon than with. Also, this was in the middle of the afternoon but with the car shaded by buildings. Outside temp was showing 26 Deg C on the MID and inside was set to 24 or so.
A small thing I noted- with the ACC set, the fan runs at very low speeds and idle rpm remains low but if you raise the fan manually, idle rpm rises. Not sure if its related.
Another thing- I always felt suffocated in the car with the aircon in ACC. Cool but suffocated. I like more air movement but at higher temperatures, even in my Swift. Yesterday night on the way back from work, I drove the air at a higher temperature (26 or something) but with the fan running at a higher speed manually and it didnt stall or brownout even once on level roads. Again not sure if its related
I will again test the car with the OBD for idle rpm in the evenings

Ameyam

Ideal speed can not be modified at any cost ask your mechanic at mass. I will post picture from service manual, that says baleno ideal speed is 550 to 650 rpm with aircon off, but you can not keep 650 rpm all time like you want. Ecm, iat sensor and ideal speed actuator will decide what is your optimal ideal speed required based on real time vehicle conditions like load, inlet air temp, barometric pressure in the intake manifold and throttle position etc. But this is also must be between specified 550 to 650 rpm only not more or less. There are procedures for rectifying erratic, irregular, low or high rpm conditions, but once you solve these issues your rpm should be between 550 to 650 rpm only, that is always governed by ecm other sensors based on real life car conditions.

 

[ameyam]

@suryaputra, i note. But that doesnt help drivability. So, if the low idle causes frequent stalling, MS will do nothing about it?? The manual gives a good detail about what the manufacturer thinks is correct. However, if that is causing operational issues, manufacturer must correct it. Most Baleno petrol owners are facing stalling issues

Ameyam

 

[bhvm]

I guess such low idle rpm is a cheap trick to boost fuel economy when waiting at signals or something. naturally as it causes problems to owners Maruti should acknowledge and resolve.

 

[Suryaputhra]

@suryaputra, i note. But that doesnt help drivability. So, if the low idle causes frequent stalling, MS will do nothing about it?? The manual gives a good detail about what the manufacturer thinks is correct. However, if that is causing operational issues, manufacturer must correct it. Most Baleno petrol owners are facing stalling issues

Ameyam

yes I agree with you, As you said lot of trouble to owners. MSIL should correct it.

-suryaputhra

I guess such low idle rpm is a cheap trick to boost fuel economy when waiting at signals or something. naturally as it causes problems to owners Maruti should acknowledge and resolve.

you are right they are playing for fuel economy with these type of tricks.

-suryaputhra

 

[Mr. Abhinav]

I am facing issue while starting the car.
Sometimes when I switch on the ignition(turn the key), car does not start. Then I remove keys and press/depress clutch and break any try again, and it gets started. It has happened many time.
Can anybody help, and guide on this problem?

 

[@shri]

Hello Surya / amayam,

Did PDI for my zeta petrol today and could not find the VIN no, asked the SA nd he said it doesn't have VIN and took chasis no and engine no from him and checked on vehicle and its matchin.

is there a way to find which month and year is it manufacturing from chasis no ?

 

[ameyam]

Hello Surya / amayam,

Did PDI for my zeta petrol today and could not find the VIN no, asked the SA nd he said it doesn't have VIN and took chasis no and engine no from him and checked on vehicle and its matchin.

is there a way to find which month and year is it manufacturing from chasis no ?

I believe the VIN is similar to chassis number with additional digits, isint it?

Ameyam

 

[@shri]

I believe the VIN is similar to chassis number with additional digits, isint it?

Ameyam

Yes i believe so, however few members did posted they could find it under the hood, i couldn't. SA told me as my vehicle chasis no starts with 133 so it means its Jan 2016. ? Not convinced though as he didn't seem very knowledgeable, i asked him how sensor works he said sir you only kw that, he has no idea.

 

[kavin99]

Have driven delta diesel for more than a month now and not a single instance of stalling and Headlight issue is observed.Regarding thin metal sheet if you go by the company claim it is 10% stronger than conventional steel(which i seriously doubt).I checked out in a crude way by pressing slightly against the bonnets of ciaz , scross ,hyundai xcent by my palm and all felt relatively same.

Hi
I have also booked diesel delta. Can you tell me how Delta boot can be opened?
In zeta and alpha it can opened by pressing request sensor and the release button.
how about delta?

 

[ameyam]

Ok, back from running the car with and without AC to see the idle rpm. See the snap
Unfortunately, while I was taking the snap, the torq app wasnt logging. But you can see the 550rpm dip. I took other snaps also where the idle is just about 600.

A screen shot of the OBD output shows that the lowest speed is 600~620 rpm. Also note that the rpm peaks every 20 seconds and then decays slowly. And the lowest dip is just before the peak. This is as if the system follows a sawtooth curve. There were drops to 600rpm or so in the obd output but somehow, that image didnt get sent.
Without aircon, the car idles consistently between 620 and 660rpm and doesnt dip at all
So when the car is at minimum rpm and this coincides with engine loading such as clutch release or such, things like stalling and headlight dimming occur

Running the fan in auto mode helps for a moment but the rpm drops back again. In fact I have been hearing the fans speed going up and down depending on the engine rpm all the time
Ameyam

 

[ameyam]

Hi
I have also booked diesel delta. Can you tell me how Delta boot can be opened?
In zeta and alpha it can opened by pressing request sensor and the release button.
how about delta?

Same in Delta

Ameyam

 

[FirstCarBaleno]

I am facing issue while starting the car.
Sometimes when I switch on the ignition(turn the key), car does not start. Then I remove keys and press/depress clutch and break any try again, and it gets started. It has happened many time.
Can anybody help, and guide on this problem?

This is not the problem. You have to press CLUTCH and then turn key (or press start button) for car to get start. This is normal procedure to start Baleno.