Mahindra XUV500 vs Tata Aria vs Toyota Innova!

[mastersquall]

What he means is that it is not fair to call Safari as a cult car, and Scorpio as a SUV.
They are both competitors.

I havent seen anyone who says I will buy a Safari, and not a Scorpio, because Safari is a cult car.

And everyone who considers Safari considers the Scorpio and vice-versa.
(Xover being an exception, though)

oh i got it thanks for explaining

Sorry Raj

 

[AMG]

If I wanted to choose,It would be safari.It has till has got an elegance even in name itself. I will never take Scorpio even for dirt cheap price, stingy it sounds and stingy it looks to me.

Initially people tried to replace thier Safaris with Scorpio but it failed. that is true. Scorpio seriously failed to provide luxurious comfort of ride as safari can.
but scorpio was picked up by "enthusiast" type of people.

If I want to buy an Offroader It would be "Thar" ,no doubt about it. Nothing can beat Thar.mahindra has got excellent appeal in Rigidity.

again It would be Aria in Muv. Xuv dint make it as graceful as Aria.I am sure Xuv will hover in and around like a scorpio successor wont interfere with Aria "kind" likers.

yeah , good sales will be expected as mahindra has good reputation for "word of mouth". where in India people find it difficult to distinguish between Maruthi versa and toyota innova.

yeah I know a personally , whom troubled me continuesly for 1.5 years deciding toyota innova or Tavera; finally bought Maruthi versa "lot of money saved"

Ah, so you will buy a Safari just because it sounds good.

I am proud of you and your logics.

 

[S Class]

If I wanted to choose,It would be safari.It has till has got an elegance even in name itself. I will never take Scorpio even for dirt cheap price, stingy it sounds and stingy it looks to me.

Initially people tried to replace thier Safaris with Scorpio but it failed. that is true. Scorpio seriously failed to provide luxurious comfort of ride as safari can.
but scorpio was picked up by "enthusiast" type of people.

If I want to buy an Offroader It would be "Thar" ,no doubt about it. Nothing can beat Thar.mahindra has got excellent appeal in Rigidity.

again It would be Aria in Muv. Xuv dint make it as graceful as Aria.I am sure Xuv will hover in and around like a scorpio successor wont interfere with Aria "kind" likers.

yeah , good sales will be expected as mahindra has good reputation for "word of mouth". where in India people find it difficult to distinguish between Maruthi versa and toyota innova.

Vey well said, I agree. Safari is Safari, Thar is a Thar & Aria is Aria. Can't bring in Scorpio or XUV here. I am sure Safaris fortune will increase once Merlin is launched.

yeah I know a personally , whom troubled me continuesly for 1.5 years deciding toyota innova or Tavera; finally bought Maruthi versa "lot of money saved"

This is why I keep saying that vehicles like Scorpios, Grande etc. are PEOPLE MOVER only.

 

[AMG]

The amount of fanboy-ism in this thread has defied all logic, and I would be very appropriate for Vibhor to close the thread, and even better to delete it.

Handing out 2 month bans to a few people here would be very recommended and even be the icing on the cake.

PS: I am in no state to dictate the mods, and the above-mentioned is just my opinion.

 

[S Class]

The amount of fanboy-ism in this thread has defied all logic, and I would be very appropriate for Vibhor to close the thread, and even better to delete it.

Handing out 2 month bans to a few people here would be very recommended and even be the icing on the cake.

PS: I am in no state to dictate the mods, and the above-mentioned is just my opinion.

I don't think so it has defied logic. Just because it doesn't suits you means it is not LOGICAL.

It is always better to have wide opinion on how people make car related decisions. We get to see other side better.

 

[AMG]

I don't think so it has defied logic. Just because it doesn't suits you means it is not LOGICAL.

And do you know what suits me and what doesnt?

And stop questioning my integrity as an unbiased(unlike you) member of the forum.

 

[autosafari]

Dear TAIns please avoid arguements.

There is always a possibility of discussion.

In a discussion everybody wins. In an arguement nobody wins.

Please see the quotes given below:

"Arguing with a fool proves there are two"

"The only way you can make sure not to loose an arguement is to avoid getting into one in the first place"

 

[mukeshus]

Ha ha ha...

I can't stop .

This thread is discussing about Xuv vs Aria vs Innova.

But Scorpio & Safari is being dragged into this thread.

Let the Scorpio be cheap, but what about the features it had?
Because its cheap to buy, people are going for it, not like TATA who over price it.

Lot of people drop Safari who could not afford top end as the model similar to price bracket of Scorpio Sle is equipped with ABS.

And most of the comments the guys who are making are driving & sitting in Scorpio 2.6,not about mHawk.

To me Safari is not appealing as it cannot carry 7 people with luggage comfortably, it looks like they have forgotten the last row, which can accomodate kids.

Where as a 6 footer like me can stretch legs in the last row.

@ Xover: You are looking for a flaw in the competitors, pin point it and start proving that it is a bad product.

And all those others are not able to digest that XUV is providing the features at cut throat prices.

 

[350Z]

I won’t prefer favoring or commenting which manufacturer is right or wrong but let us keep in mind that ultimately, both are Indian manufacturers. And that’s what really matters at the end of the day. No? It’s true that competition helps and I’m positive that someday both the companies will be one of the best known auto manufacturers in the world. Now almost all of us on this forum own a vehicle and have emotional attachment towards it which certainly translates into somewhat inclined opinions about that particular make too. If someone questions against that brand, instead we start feeling offended and in fact also sometimes tend to overlook the certain flaws as well. But then, it’s important to note that this is an open forum which is meant to correctly guide and help the audience out there by providing a clear picture in front of them. Hence, it has zero tolerance towards biased opinions because of this nature. If not done so, the actual purpose is defeated.

I do not wish to close this thread as of now because the idea behind starting this thread is noble but the way the discussing is flowing towards is simply not justified. Neither it is going to help prospective buyers with pointless arguments nor will have a definite conclusion at the end. Members are simply posting on and on in favour of their own supporting brand. Quite obviously, such provocative discussions can go on endlessly. So let’s try to accept the fact that each vehicle has its own pros and cons but a proper and healthy discussions is always the one in which both the parties are open to accept them, otherwise, sorry to say, it’s nothing but a baseless debate. Therefore I would like to ensure that such discussion will not be tolerated any further in any related thread hereon for the sake of maintaining the cleanliness and balanced nature of The Automotive India. You’re still free to voice your opinions but please be constructive and remember to accept, understand, and respect other’s views as much as you expect yours to be by the other person.

Drive Safe,
350Z

 

[raj_5004]

Wrong, your source told you the right data you twisted it to prove your point.

Please dont make up stuff just for the heck of it. it sounds childish & desperate. I have PMed you my source, have a look at the figures. be happy.

I will prove it that you do.

Sure. Go on.

Here you go another shrewed reply from unbiased raj_5004, all folks at TAI please check another thread "Failed Cars in India" page no.11, and check post no.#154, where our dear raj _5004 claims from his same very source that safari sold 1937 units in SEP 2011 and here he posts from the same reliable source that safari sold 1541 units in sep 2011.So folks who is posting biased unreliable data here is quite clear.

As i said, I have PMed you the source, have a look yourself.

Wow you never said compared to Yeti , Aria has been a hit.

Both Yeti & Aria is a flop.

I will tell you why Safari is a cult car and why it sells less than other UVs of the segment:

1. Safari has very bad turning radius.

2. Safari is a behemoth, very hard to drive and park in cities.

3. Lot of niggles.

4. Primary a 5 seater, does not sell as taxi.

So its quite clear that Safari is not a very practicle car like scorpio and never will sell like one, but still its a cult car because "people buy it with their heart rather than head", apart from that it has huge fan following and that is why we see Safaris all around even when people like you wrote its obituary 9 yrs ago when scorpio came. I will rest my case here.

by that logic, even a Fiat Punto is a cult car. It meets all the parameters you have mentioned.

But I will be more reasonable. I have a punto & I love it but I have no shame in accepting that its a FLOP car. Yes, it is & nobody can deny that.

Same logic applies for Aria too.

really

Nah Nah! Now you will say Thar is not a cult vehicle. It was meant to be a volume seller. It competes with the swift because both are 5 seaters & both have diesel engines, so That should sell 11,000 units a month!

I once again request you to use quote facility properly.

@ Xover

How old are you? 12?

And also, personal attacks and allegations of bias against a former moderator of the forum will not get you a long way here.

Its ok buddy. Chill.

Safari inspired more driving confidence than Scorpio.

For you right? Cool. cheers.

BTW, safari is more stable than scorpio, i agree. But not by a HUGE margin.

This means they must have got POOR STAR RATINGS, else why hide it ?

LOL, what logic is that? If they get poor ratings, will they be allowed to sell the car there?

. By this logic, Bajaj Chetak scooter was better than Bullet !!

No, it did not. However, a Swift Dezire did in last month in Mumbai. Here is the link:-

Maruti Swift Dzire catches fire at Kanjurmarg - Mumbai - DNA

Thats one swift buddy. this was 9 Nanos in a row. there is a difference, no?

Fine, topic closed for me.

Thank you.

Issue was not off-road or on-road, the issue was MONOCOQUE CHASSIS. Please don't deviate the reasons for the statements.

GOD! What i meant was - fortuner is a proper off roader, hence it needs LOF chassis, Aria is not an offroader!

Yes. Just because it sold more than Grande, doesn't make it success.

1541 units for a safari is a success? 3002 units for a Xylo is a failure?

Fact is Xylo tried to compete not with Grande but Innova & failed.

Scorpio already competes with Innova. Why would Mahindra launch two cars in the same segment to compete with one car?

If sales is the benchmark, then alto is a success while Audi A4 is failure, right ?

I have said trillion times before (or maybe even more), lets compare between classes or segments.

We compare A4 with 3 series & C class, not Alto !!!

OK, so when it is poor sales of M & M, it is niche but same logic is not applied to Aria. Why ?

so you are saying Aria is a niche product like the Thar? ok, no comments!

One is petrol & other is diesel. Let Maruti launch Gypsy with diesel engine, it will beat Thar hands down.

Lets not talk about what WILL or MAY happen. when it happens, we will see.

And XUV 500 is younger than Genio, still it is called a HIT. Why not have same logic for Genio & XUV then ?

Arre! Because XUV has shown such tremendous response in a week, that it can be safely called a hit. you expect a pick up truck like genio to sell 15000 units a month?

Yes, other cos products should be compared with only those M & M goods which sell more, right ?

Nope. Products should be compared with those which are actually competitors. Genio is more of an upmarket pick up. Its priced much more than the pik up & tata 207. If i am in the market for a cheap pick up truck, I will consider the pik up & 207, not Genio.

By that logic, can we compare Genio with Tata xenon because both are pick ups? No!

Issue is not on whose result it is, the reader is best to judge it.
Issue is WHY WAS ARIA NOT INCLUDED AT ALL, result in secondary.

Because they wanted to compare it with the market leaders, not cars which barely sell. maybe thats why they have not included the captiva, yeti, santa fe ... and Aria!

oh i got it thanks for explaining

Sorry Raj

it ok bro. What sorry!

 

[THE XOVER]

@raj_5004

Buddy I replied to your PM, just make sure that from next time you don't quote September 2010's figure instead of 2011, hope it clears your doubt, cheers and Good Night.

 

[raj_5004]

@raj_5004

Once again you have posted wrong data on our forum.And once again I will prove you wrong based upon facts.

@raj_5004

Buddy I replied to your PM, just make sure that from next time you don't quote September 2010's figure instead of 2011, hope it clears your doubt, cheers and Good Night.

Yes guys, I stand corrected. Sorry for the error. I overlooked the year & posted 2010 figures!

Sep 2011 figures -

xylo - 2430
scorpio - 4493
safari - 1937
Aria - 560
innova - 4765

But this was just a mistake & not done purposely due to bias, as projected by Xover!

@ Xover: You can check from the source I have PMed you, I have posted the exact 2010 figures! :-)

@ S class: I will modify one of my above statements as it had an error, rightly pointed out by The Xover:

"1541 units for a safari is a success? 2430 units for a Xylo is a failure? "

 

[THE XOVER]

@raj_5004

Wow raj, it takes a large hearted man to come out and accept his mistake in the public forum, i am extremely sorry to call you biased, after all we are all human beings and can commit mistakes, now just bury all of this and lets concentrate on the topic, shall we.

BTW:In the above quote you have only modified XLYO's number, what about modifying Safari's no. as well to 1937 from 1541 that you quoted.

 

[raj_5004]

@raj_5004

Wow raj, it takes a large hearted man to come out and accept his mistake in the public forum, i am extremely sorry to call you biased, after all we are all human beings and can commit mistakes,

Kidding me? No need for any "extreme" sorry! Chill.

now just bury all of this and lets concentrate on the topic, shall we.

Of course.

BTW:In the above quote you have only modified XLYO's number, what about modifying Safari's no. as well to 1937 from 1541 that you quoted.

That is why I posted the figures of all the cars in my post.

 

[raj_5004]

Zigwheels have launched full fledged test drive of XUV500 in their website in which they claim 0-100 timing of 13.85 seconds for XUV FWD.

So XUV 4X2 (0-100)=13.85 sec

Aria 4X2 (0-100) = 13.50 sec

Source for Aria's 0-100 figures is Overdrive test of Aria 4x2, you can find the video on you tube.

So Aria proves that even though it is much larger and heavier than XUV, yet it is much faster, for the first time tata have beaten mahindra in pick up/acceleration of their UVs.

As far as I have read, Aria has a 0-100 timing of 14.4 seconds. If tata's 140 bhp safari cant beat the 120 bhp scorpio, how do you expect the Aria to beat XUV? It is much obvious that the lighter Mahindra would be faster. Not too forget the better torque & 6 gears advantage.

ACI's road test is out. According to ACI, 0-100 timings of -

XUV500 FWD - 12.34 seconds
Aria 4x2 - 13.90 seconds
Innova - 17.50 seconds

Please note that all the above figures are from a single source.

This is the reason I had posted this -

1) No point in posting 0-100 timings in every thread. the Aria timings you have posted is from one source & the XUV's timings is from completely a different source. Wait for the timings to arrive from a single & reliable source like ACI who uses VBOX to measure the timings. it not rocket science to assume that the XUV will be faster since it is lighter, has better gearing & more torque.

Source - Pick up ACI magazine from a store. The review is not yet up on their website.