Mahindra XUV500 vs Tata Aria vs Toyota Innova!


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ACI road test of xuv has been out, some key points:

1. 0-100=12.34 sec

2. Ride feels unsettled at high speeds.

3. handling better than other mahindra but still not up to the point.

4. Very poor NVH as compared to refined Aria.

5. overall fuel efficiency around 12 kmpl.

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2. Ride feels unsettled at high speeds.
This is something to be concerned of. While all reviewers & owners are praising the ride quality, ACI has a different story to say.

4. Very poor NVH as compared to refined Aria.
[lol]

Our source is the same, where has it been compared with the Aria? they have just said engine noise in on the higher side.

If its really compared with Aria, please mention the source. I would like to read the full review.

Its really amusing to see you somehow bring the comparison with Aria in picture.
 
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@ S class: I will modify one of my above statements as it had an error, rightly pointed out by The Xover:
Appreciate it buddy. And as Xovy rightly said, it take something to owe up to. Good one [clap].

Btw, I am still waiting for Aria 4x2 test drive reports.
 
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@ THE XOVER:

Mahindra did call me. I could not go as I had other priorities.

By the way, did you miss this from the above review -

The W8 variant of the XUV has an electronic stability program and traction control to prevent it from getting out of control. The Aria Pleasure 4×2 doesn’t have this feature.
You may say that this is not a reliable enough proof. I have nothing to say on that.
 
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^^

Unless I find traction control stated in official XUV website, yes I will not believe that it has TCS no matter what.

Perhaps DWS has got this info from the same mahindra guy who gave you this info that TCS is amalgamated in ESP, lol

Mahindra XUV as per its official website has got ESP coupled with ROLL OVER MITIGATION, some idiots are confusing this with traction control which has nothing to do with ESP.Traction control is a completely different , complex and high technology, and raj being an automobile engineer you should know better.

No vehicle under 25 lacks has got traction control other than "Tata ARIA" or perhaps Yeti. And no one can prove me wrong because" facts don't lie".

Happy Danteras to all.
 
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Mahindra XUV as per its official website has got ESP coupled with ROLL OVER MITIGATION, some idiots are confusing this with traction control which has nothing to do with ESP.Traction control is a completely different , complex and high technology, and raj being an automobile engineer you should know better.
That is the reason I tried explaining it to you before but you were not willing to understand.

First of all, see the difference -

Traction control is a system that allows a vehicle to reduce power from wheels that are slipping. It allows for more grip in slippery conditions such as ice or water, but such systems are limited to lower speeds.

Example - your aria is stationary on a slippery surface like slush. the driver is inexperienced & simply gives full throttle & leaves the clutch. what happens is the rear wheels will simply keep spinning & the vehicle wont move ahead. It is not essentially a safety feature like ESP, ABS or EBD.

ESP is a system that is one step ahead of TC. It detects the movement and speed of the vehicle using gyroscopic sensors (roll, yaw & tilt sensors). If it senses that the car begins to swerve or spin out of control (understeer or oversteer), it compensates by braking on individual wheels so that the driver can control of the vehicle.

Example - You are driving flat out on the express highway. Suddenly a kid jumps in front of you. you steer left while braking hard. the car oversteers & the rear begins to step out. then you steer right & the car gets out of control. ESP senses this & brakes individual wheels & helps the driver bring the car in control.


Please note that ESP systems include traction control, since the hardware is essentially the same. On the other hand, many vehicles may have traction control but not ESP, which is more expensive to add.

That is why, it is expected that a vehicles having ESP does have TC. That is the reason many manufacturers dont mention ESP & TC separately. They dont need to.

Its like having Vada pav (TC) instead of Mc Aloo Tikki (ESP).

Some AWD vehicles do not need traction control since they use a more robust system to accomplish the same effect. XUV500 is one among them. The Interactive Torque Management System in the XUV automatically redistributes the torque between the front & rear wheels in muddy or slippery surfaces. However, an AWD vehicle can still benefit from ESP.

Sorry for the long post. Moral of the story -

ESP is an advanced version of TC. It is better to have ESP in your car than just TC.
 
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Perhaps DWS has got this info from the same mahindra guy who gave you this info that TCS is amalgamated in ESP, lol

some idiots are confusing this with traction control which has nothing to do with ESP.Traction control is a completely different , complex and high technology, and raj being an automobile engineer you should know better.

No vehicle under 25 lacks has got traction control other than "Tata ARIA" or perhaps Yeti. And no one can prove me wrong because" facts don't lie".
Perhaps before calling others idiots, you should have done a reality check. First the dual mass flywheel, then the airbags, now this. What is this buddy?

FYI, ESP is much more complex & high tech than TC & as you said, myself being an Automobile engineer, I know that. Thank you for enlightening me.

I have always been telling you that TCS is bundled along with ESP but you dint believe me buddy. I did not have any written record for that. Today I took some time to prove it to you. Here is an official video by Bosch which mentions the same. Please have a look. To make it easy for you, see when the video nears 37 seconds -

ESP control de estabilidad electronic stability control - YouTube

Some other good videos about ESP -

Bosch ESP 1 - YouTube

Volkswagen Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) - YouTube

Work of ESP - YouTube
 
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All right so you are saying that

1] ESP is a better version of TC, agreed, but yet both of them are also quite different, that's exactly why manufacturers mention both of them separately.

2] TC can be bundled with ESP, agreed.

But has Mahindra XUV got "traction control", nay , no chance, why?

Well actually its quite simple, no institution of information about XUV is more reliable than "Mahindra XUV official website" , and they do not mention that XUV has got traction control bundled with ESP, and I will take their official word over any body else, so raj you proved me wrong in duall mass flywheel case with the help of official xuv website, if you want to prove me wrong once again than: "show me an excerpt of official XUV website , which mentions that it has traction control bundled with ESP", or else this case is closed for me, Good Bye.
 
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@xover,
If Esp ,which is advancement of TC is available in car then does it make sense to have both?
e.g..Like if disk brakes are available for all four tires then the question of drum brakes becomes superfluous.
 
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@xover,
If Esp ,which is advancement of TC is available in car then does it make sense to have both?
e.g..Like if disk brakes are available for all four tires then the question of drum brakes becomes superfluous.
It is actually quite simple

ESP = A system that enhances vehicle stablity,and stops it from toppling over by applying brakes to the other side of motion, say vehicle is going to topple in right direction than ESP applies the brakes of the left side and controls the vehicle from toppling over and enhances balance/stability.

TCS = A traction control has nothing to do with brakes like ESP, but it controls and monitors tyre traction and friction levels.So if say left rear side of your car has got too much traction then TCS stops the power supply in that wheel until traction of this wheel becomes normal, vice-versa if traction is too less and if the tyre is slipping it will provide little more power to the wheel until it gets normal traction.

So unlike ESP which generally works on the brakes of the car , TCS works upon the torque of each wheel.Hell even Superbikes now-a-days come with traction control system.

This is precisely why every manufacturer ( read every manufacturer ) mentions both of these features separately, and don't confuse one with other, because to be honest there is a clear distinction between both these features, and comprehending them is also not rocket science.

So ESP and TCS are both advanced form of enhancing active vehicle safety,but yet there is a marked difference between both of them, thus both are mentioned differently by every single manufacturer from Tata to Ferrari.

So if a vehicle has all 4 disc brakes than yes drum brakes becomes superflous, but if a vehicle has "Traction Control" it does not essentially mean that it will also have ESP and vice versa.

Hope it clears all the doubts, cheers.

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@ The Xover:

I spent my 15 mins for you, explaining the working, the difference & even uploading videos. All waste.

What did i tell you? Many companies dont mention TC separately as it is already incorporated in the ESP.

This was your post -

some idiots are confusing this with traction control which has nothing to do with ESP.Traction control is a completely different , complex and high technology,
You are already proved wrong. Now you will say that the functioning of both systems are different. But of course, it is. Else why would both of them be invented?! But you cannot say TC has nothing to do with ESP.

Anyways, you have got a point to cringe on the XUV500 & I know, no matter what, you wont accept it because otherwise you wont have any points left! So I will let it go. Suit yourself.
 
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@ The Xover:

Yoiu are wrong again.

ESP = A system that enhances vehicle stablity,and stops it from toppling over by applying brakes to the other side of motion, say vehicle is going to topple in right direction than ESP applies the brakes of the left side and controls the vehicle from toppling over and enhances balance/stability.
ESP does not stop a vehicle from toppling. Toppling means rolling over. That is done by Rollover Mitigation in the XUV500.

ESP can just prevent the vehicle from skidding out of control.

TCS = A traction control has nothing to do with brakes like ESP, but it controls and monitors tyre traction and friction levels.
WHAT???

Who said TC has nothing to do with brakes? It brakes the wheel which is spinning out of control.

So if say left rear side of your car has got too much traction then TCS stops the power supply in that wheel until traction of this wheel becomes normal,
if left rear wheel has too much traction, why would TC stop the power to that wheel? too much traction is good right?

vice-versa if traction is too less and if the tyre is slipping it will provide little more power to the wheel until it gets normal traction.
What are you saying?

If the tyre is already slipping, why would TC give more power to that wheel? It will keep spinning then!

So unlike ESP which generally works on the brakes of the car , TCS works upon the torque of each wheel.Hell even Superbikes now-a-days come with traction control system.
Even TCS uses the brakes buddy. depending on the loss of traction, it brakes or reduces engine power to that wheel.

I would suggest you watch the videos i have posted again & do some googling before calling others "idiots".

This is precisely why every manufacturer ( read every manufacturer ) mentions both of these features separately, and don't confuse one with other, because to be honest there is a clear distinction between both these features,
Please enlighten me how many manufacturers show ESP & TC differently. I can show you more number of manufacturers who just write ESP. Mind you, they would be expensive cars like BMW or Audi. Does that mean, they dont have TC?

and comprehending them is also not rocket science.
Oh, you know it!

So ESP and TCS are both advanced form of enhancing active vehicle safety,but yet there is a marked difference between both of them, thus both are mentioned differently by every single manufacturer from Tata to Ferrari.
Are you sure every manufacturer mentions it separately? What if i take the time to show you some manufacturers who dont?

I am asking this because I have wasted my time searching for good videos for you.

Hope it clears all the doubts, cheers.
Of course, Thank you.
 
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