Ford Fiesta Facelift 2014 Launched. Price: Rs.7.69 Lakh!

[1989rs500]

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Just surfed the net regarding Aftermarket touch screen headunits for Ford. There is no way, you can install without cutting the wires for 2013 Ford Fiesta or Ecosport. Including the my Ford touch system. Connectors are not matching. Hence, warranty will be voided ! Rather than going through all the hassle, its better to stick with OEM.
@1989rs500 Dude I am not complaining about quality or any other stuff. What I am pleading is, give me features but the one's that are very useful. For ex% Auto-wipers, they are useless in India. A lot of dust accumulates every now & then. And a human brain pretty well knows how & when to use the wipers. It's just an added luxury. Instead of this, they could have given an electro chromic mirror I would have been very happy. These are the things which humans cannot do. Like wise, if they would have given a simple backup camera, it would have been very useful. What's the use of keyless entry tell me ? The only purpose of the key is to start/stop the vehicle & security. I am saying, not to give features. But they must also prioritise which is more important.

Agree with you @VolksJager what I was trying to tell is all the features told above are features that usually come with cars that are a segment above and if I am correct Fiesta is Fords smallest car apart from the Ford Ka which is basically a Fiat platform adopted by Ford, and Ford dosent want cars to be expensive in the name of features, integrated back cam is an option in Fiesta in USA,chromatic and tinted windows are not there in Fiesta but in Ford C max,B max etc
So what they did is put the features that are easily available in the supply chain of car market, and the features @VolksJager mentioned are not accessible in the supply chain, so it wont be easy for them 2 pack these features for 1 car, If Ford was well established in India like Honda,Toyota,Hyundai etc Ford could have pulled out these features for India as well, as of now I think this is the best Ford could have done with Fiesta,
now pricing is expected to be around 8.5 lakh for base Ambient and 9.9 lakh for Trend and 11.5 for Titanium diesel according to a website, If true its going head on with the new City, and except from sunroof Fiesta has feature wise upper hand even to a Verna
But lack of rear seat legroom will affect it from becoming a mass favorite, lets see whether the enthusiasts get satisfied by new Fiesta
Its reviews might be out my March 2nd week or so says my source from Ford, as ACI,Overdrive etc have already started mailing Fords desk for Test drive vehicles

 

[1989rs500]

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This time Ford is stressing on the enthusiast when it comes to Fiesta unlike last time in 2012 when Ford was totally immersed in economy value etc that made Fiesta a slouch, Hope Ford dosent disappoint with undrepowered engine tune like the one in Fiesta 2012, also the petrols were tuned awkwardly now Ford bring on the ecoboost Fiesta combination, it will be the best drivers car for quiet a time
First Look at the 2014 Ford Fiesta for India - YouTube

 

[Volksjäger]

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Yes, agreed. Supply chain of products is a matter of concern for Ford. I think the guy in this video is talking about people like us . Did he say, B segment ? May be in America.

 

[1989rs500]

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Yes, agreed. Supply chain of products is a matter of concern for Ford. I think the guy in this video is talking about people like us . Did he say, B segment ? May be in America.

Of course he was talking about people like us and yes Fiesta is Fords sub compact in USA and compact in Europe and mid size sedan in India, hence it is now doing duties of 4 segments A+,B,B+,C segments throughout the world
Fiesta sedan interior for India
Ford Fiesta Sedan Facelift at Auto Expo 2014 - In Pictures - Indian Cars Bikes

 

[msjawahar]

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They could have included the Driver Information System option atleast in the Trend option and removed the cruise control. Cruise control is not a must option for the indian driving conditions. Even in my fiesta i use it only when i drive it in the four lane road.

Any idea if we can fit the USB option in the Style variant of Fiesta ? @1989rs500 please share your thoughts in this.

 

[1989rs500]

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They could have included the Driver Information System option atleast in the Trend option and removed the cruise control. Cruise control is not a must option for the indian driving conditions. Even in my fiesta i use it only when i drive it in the four lane road.

Any idea if we can fit the USB option in the Style variant of Fiesta ? @1989rs500 please share your thoughts in this.

In my mind this kind of option will push people to the Titanium variant because the Titanium variant offers a whole lot more than trend, also Fiesta is super safe whatever variant we may pick up, I really like the fact that Fiesta is the only car that gives airbags in all variants,
We can use custom USB devices inside the Fiestas cabin but there is one big problem the OEM connector of Ford is unique and we have to use a converter to split signal into Fords cable from the standard UART codes that are available in market,I knew 1 person who did this in his VW Polo and hid all the excess electronics neatly inside the glove box, but it cost him almost 46k for the USB based sound system 1 amplifier and 2 door speakers getting installed
The trouble is the display screen that custom systems have should be placed some where neatly, we cant synchronize the stock display with the custom displays out put because its controlled by some Fords micro controller which cant be cracked, so its best we stay with stock OEM system for Ford, even for Polo he had this trouble, atlast when he plugs in the USB the songs will start playing but he couldnt change tracks on VWs center stack he had to change it in a separate stack of the custom system he installed near the gear lever and it looked too much after market , it worked but not most ideal case

 

[Volksjäger]

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Yeah, Ford left me no choice than to buy Titanium version . I cannot miss those alloys, not because they look pretty or something. They ensure fast cooling of disc brakes therefore better braking performance & things like that. Ford is a drivers car, so I want it as a complete package. Earlier I said, that I would remove the fuse for the rain sensing wipers, but that is not required. You get an option called vehicle settings in your sync system where you can un-tick the rain-sensors option. It's a nice little feature provided by Ford. If you have seen the video, that is earlier shared by 1989rs500 on page 4 #57th post and skip to 13:45 secs, you can see that Ford Multifunction display has features like switching on/off the traction controls, ambient lighting etc which impressed me a lot. These features are provided in cars that are a segment above. But I am not sure whether we are getting traction control or not.

 

[1989rs500]

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Yeah, Ford left me no choice than to buy Titanium version. I cannot miss those alloys, not because they look pretty or something. They ensure fast cooling of disc brakes therefore better braking performance & things like that. Ford is a drivers car, so I want it as a complete package. Earlier I said, that I would remove the fuse for the rain sensing wipers, but that is not required. You get an option called vehicle settings in your sync system where you can un-tick the rain-sensors option. It's a nice little feature provided by Ford. If you have seen the video, that is earlier shared by 1989rs500 on page 4 #57th post and skip to 13:45 secs, you can see that Ford Multifunction display has features like switching on/off the traction controls, ambient lighting etc which impressed me a lot. These features are provided in cars that are a segment above. But I am not sure whether we are getting traction control or not.

Ya, absolutely I knew that auto headlamps can be just made to manual if we wanted but forgot whether the SYNC could disable auto wipers, thats brilliant saves battery as well,Another neat feature of Fiesta I liked the most is the importance they gave to safety all variants have AIRBAGS
Another thing I hate in new Fiesta facelift is again the rear seat armrest support hinges are visible a clear indication of localisation but looks ugly
The center arm rest is integrated quiet well though and its leather stitched too, it adds up as a good storage parcel as well when opened up, thats a good addition in my mind
In the exterior the rear wheels gets nicely done mud flaps that is more functional and yet dosent hang out as in usual cars and the plastic cladding below the boot is welcome as mud and dust accumulation will leave less impression on cars body

Now what I am hoping is Ford should tune the Fiesta as a true drivers car,let alone fuel economy for once and make this one a real drivers car because the market has lots and lots of spacious offerings so Fiesta is no way a family car but an enthusiasts car, give it a proper enthusiast cars choice based ad:(I rally hope Ford should bring Ken Block to do the add) and price it right and then it will fill Fords gap in this segment otherwise it will remain a dud

 

[Volksjäger]

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Yeah bro, even I didn't like the hinges too. And the pricing is the most important factor to me. Anything more than 13 lakhs will not make it a value proposition. In D segment I really like Fluence & Corolla, since renault's spares are expensive & availability of spares is also taking a lot of time. It would be a headache if something goes wrong. The only alternative I see is the corolla, but I can vouch for their quality & reliability. I am very well aware that it is not as fun to drive as the fiesta. I am waiting to see how ford is going to price it & I am also waiting to test drive the new corolla.

 

[1989rs500]

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Yeah bro, even I didn't like the hinges too. And the pricing is the most important factor to me. Anything more than 13 lakhs will not make it a value proposition. In D segment I really like Fluence & Corolla, since renault's spares are expensive & availability of spares is also taking a lot of time. It would be a headache if something goes wrong. The only alternative I see is the corolla, but I can vouch for their quality & reliability. I am very well aware that it is not as fun to drive as the fiesta. I am waiting to see how ford is going to price it & I am also waiting to test drive the new corolla.

Well from the source I have who is pretty much sure of the pricing, he states 8.5 lakh for Ambient diesel, 9.9 lakh for Trend and 11.5 lakh for Titanium Diesel, all are ex showroom prices if this price is true, its not bad still pricey considering more spacious offerings, but on the flip side if driving impression is priority its a choice that can be made to consider along the new Fiat Linea

 

[Apple]

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Well from the source I have who is pretty much sure of the pricing, he states 8.5 lakh for Ambient diesel, 9.9 lakh for Trend and 11.5 lakh for Titanium Diesel, all are ex showroom prices if this price is true, its not bad still pricey considering more spacious offerings, but on the flip side if driving impression is priority its a choice that can be made to consider along the new Fiat Linea

Fiesta 2013 prices start from 9.30 L for style and 10.31 L for Titanium+ (Ex-Showroom, Delhi). If face-lifted Fiesta is priced at 9.9 L and 11.5 L for Trend and Titanium respectively, I think it will be a pricing disaster again I hope Ford prices Fiesta reasonably this time.

 

[Volksjäger]

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Fiesta 2013 prices start from 9.30 L for style and 10.31 L for Titanium+ (Ex-Showroom, Delhi). If face-lifted Fiesta is priced at 9.9 L and 11.5 L for Trend and Titanium respectively, I think it will be a pricing disaster again I hope Ford prices Fiesta reasonably this time.

Being a Fiesta owner for almost 6 years I can say that 1.4 TDCI is a very reliable engine, I still haven't seen any 1.5 TDCIs withstanding the test of time for 7yrs & 100,000 kms without encountering any problems. And after looking at the prices, I dont want to take anymore chances with the Fiesta. I moving to a more reliable option. It could a Toyota or I might consider a Fiat Linea if & only if it comes with a 1.6 mjd.

 

[draneeshpm]

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Being a Fiesta owner for almost 6 years I can say that 1.4 TDCI is a very reliable engine, I still haven't seen any 1.5 TDCIs withstanding the test of time for 7yrs & 100,000 kms. It could a Toyota or I might consider a Fiat Linea if & only if it comes with a 1.6 mjd.

The 1.4 TDCI is not that reliable,two of my colleagues had them fail by 5 years.Our's is gonna finish 4 years and 30000 kms,so it's bit scary.You are right 100,000 kms is what one usually expects an engine to run trouble free.I won't put my bet on Fiat either,because lot of Swifts have had engines troubles.Don't know about 1.6 though,but Toyota is a no brainer.My neighbour at my native place has a 400,000 kms run Qualis without an engine job.But Toyotas are boring cars.

 

[Volksjäger]

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The 1.4 TDCI is not that reliable,two of my colleagues had them fail by 5 years.Our's is gonna finish 4 years and 30000 kms,so it's bit scary.You are right 100,000 kms is what one usually expects an engine to run trouble free.I won't put my bet on Fiat either,because lot of Swifts have had engines troubles.Don't know about 1.6 though,but Toyota is a no brainer.My neighbour at my native place has a 400,000 kms run Qualis without an engine job.But Toyotas are boring cars.

What you said is true to an extent. I myself owned a fiesta that crossed 100,000 kms, not just mine I have seen a few. A preventive maintenance is the key with Ford engines. A bit of luck is also involved. And I have never seen a swift diesel engine stopping in the middle of the road due to a reliability issue. I have seen people abusing swift diesels, but they still proved to be very reliable. I own a punto too & both are multijet Fiat diesel engines and I have 0 troubles till date. The only trouble I had with my swift once was a coolant leak from TGR pipe. But I got it rectified immediately, if small things like these are ignored then it might lead to a disaster.

Coming to the Ford, I have seen lot of troubles in 1.6 Rocam engines & 1.3 flair. And I have also seen some 1.4 TDCI engines that broke down & sold as scrap. I am talking out of experience, these ford engines are fun to drive, they are not boring like Toyota but you must also have a habit of looking under the hood every now & then.
If you see the Ford India website, they are giving 4 years warranty for 1.4 TDCI engines but only 3yrs/60,000kms warranty for 1.5 TDCI engines, be it ecosport or fiesta. I agree that TDCI engines are problematic but your engine can easily last 100,000 kms or more if you change the oil every 5k kms & keep looking for injector leaks & sludge formation etc. And now, I really don't have that much time to spend on my car. So I am more inclined towards toyota.

I remember sometimes, when my service is due at every 10k kms, I used to gave it for service at few 100s or 1000kms later. But this strictly wont work with Ford. I trust Fiat Multijet diesel engines that were produced in 2009. I am being very specific here, since I own them. If Fiat imports Multijet engines for their Linea, I am sure that they are going to be very reliable, but still they can beat Toyota in reliability.

Having said all this,
My 2010 Punto is at 68,XXX kms with 0 troubles..
And my 2009 swift is in its 6th year with 82,XXX kms with out any troubles & now I change oil every 5k for both my cars.

I am big fan of D-4D engines, and I really don't care if they are boring.
Here is why? I hope you have already seen this, but I am still sharing it.

Toyota uses the same engines all over the world. The one shown in this video is 2.4 D-4D (Qualis Engine) in Toyota Hilux.

Killing a Toyota Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

Killing a Toyota Part 3 - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

 

[Apple]

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Being a Fiesta owner for almost 6 years I can say that 1.4 TDCI is a very reliable engine, I still haven't seen any 1.5 TDCIs withstanding the test of time for 7yrs & 100,000 kms without encountering any problems. And after looking at the prices, I dont want to take anymore chances with the Fiesta. I moving to a more reliable option. It could a Toyota or I might consider a Fiat Linea if & only if it comes with a 1.6 mjd.

I think the prices quoted by 1989rs500 are not official, so wait for Ford to announce the prices. I strongly believe they will not do the same mistake again by pricing Fiesta insanely high.

I cannot comment on reliability of TDCi engines as I haven't owned one yet