Ford Fiesta Facelift 2014 Launched. Price: Rs.7.69 Lakh!

[Volksjäger]

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Hi Volksjäger,
The cheapest Corolla diesel in atleast 4 lakhs more than the Fiesta.The handling of Corolla is a weak point and the new interiors are nothing to wrote about,it's very boring.But the driveability is good and will run till this century ends!
Regards,
Aneesh.

Yeah bro, that's what I was thinking !!! I thought I would buy it if it is 3 lakhs more than top end Fiesta. But if it is 4 lakhs more, then . And yeah, I am aware that corolla's interiors are little bland, but what I am after is, the quality build, the sheer space & the service it gives for years to come.

 

[1989rs500]

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Ford better give me a variant without those useless automatic rain sensing wipers, that can leave a scratch on my windshield, auto headlamps, & electronic rear view mirrors that has become common these days. Watchmen's doesn't know that they are electronic & try to push them in. And some idiots try to push them out. That's a big head ache. And please do add a cruise control in it. And by the way, I have seen that both 1.5 petrol & Diesel now comes with 105 BHP. Is this true ? Can anyone confirm? And by the way, have anyone driven the corolla 1.4 D-4D. I have heard that these engines are very reliable, and the new 2014 corolla has an improved performance. How would it fare when it is pitted against Ford Fiesta 1.5 TDCI.

Ford 1.5 TDCI
Bore: 73mm
Stroke: 88.3mm

Toyota 1.4 D-4D
Bore: 73mm
Stroke: 81.5mm

And D-4D comes with a VGT turbo. Do you guys think, whether a basic model Toyota Corolla 1.4 D-4D is a VFM proposition ? I just not going by the figures, I am just looking at reliability. I haven't had much problems with my 1.4 TDCi for over 6yrs & 100,000 kms.

And Toyota's quality is superb, I felt it when I drove an old & abused quails. I am very impressed by their quality & reliability. I always wanted to own a Toyota. And I am more of a sedan guy & the only car I like & afford from a Toyota stable now is the corolla Diesel.

Toyota Corolla 1.4 D-4D is a very good car if we want to carry passengers regularly , its back seat in my opinion is one of the best of all C+ segment cars , even better than a Skoda octavia in my mind, because the car dosent have much Power we wont be pushing it hard, that in turn will keep the cars average speed in vicinity of 40-80 kmph under which the Corollas suspension manages a brilliant pillow ride, but beyond that speed the car rolls and pitches and its steering is super vague
And reliability of Toyota as told is legendary, it will run a life time if serviced properly

Yeah bro, that's what I was thinking !!! I thought I would buy it if it is 3 lakhs more than top end Fiesta. But if it is 4 lakhs more, then . And yeah, I am aware that corolla's interiors are little bland, but what I am after is, the quality build, the sheer space & the service it gives for years to come.

Even if price is more than Fiesta if back seat passenger comfort is a top priority the Corolla is a great car to own, a cheaper option is Chevy Cruze, its diesel motor is very strong beyond 2000 rpm, has descent built quality,descent cabin insulation and cheap service costs, but resale rates are horrible for Chevys and ride beyond 150 kmph inspires almost 0 confidence, but apart from that Cruze is an American version of Corolla, very reliable to according to JD Power survey

 

[Volksjäger]

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Toyota Corolla 1.4 D-4D is a very good car if we want to carry passengers regularly , its back seat in my opinion is one of the best of all C+ segment cars , even better than a Skoda octavia in my mind, because the car dosent have much Power we wont be pushing it hard, that in turn will keep the cars average speed in vicinity of 40-80 kmph under which the Corollas suspension manages a brilliant pillow ride, but beyond that speed the car rolls and pitches and its steering is super vague
And reliability of Toyota as told is legendary, it will run a life time if serviced properly


Even if price is more than Fiesta if back seat passenger comfort is a top priority the Corolla is a great car to own, a cheaper option is Chevy Cruze, its diesel motor is very strong beyond 2000 rpm, has descent built quality,descent cabin insulation and cheap service costs, but resale rates are horrible for Chevys and ride beyond 150 kmph inspires almost 0 confidence, but apart from that Cruze is an American version of Corolla, very reliable to according to JD Power survey

I was waiting for your reply bro . Cruze was never an option because of its gas guzzling motor. And only reason I wanted to buy a Toyo is, the reliability & peace of mind I get over a period of time. Even if I wanted to buy a new car, say after 7 years. I can still keep it like my second car because of its quality & reliability. The only reason I was inclined towards corolla is, the existing corolla costs 14.75 lakh OTR in hyd which is 2.2 lakhs more than current gen Fiesta Titanium. Similarly, I was expecting Face-lifted Fiesta to cost around 12.75 lakh for the titanium version. So, if I put another 3 lakhs on it. Which is 15.75 lakhs for the basic Toyo.

So my question to you is, Is it worth spending that extra money on Toyota Diesel. Are you getting the money's worth out of it ? Or is Fiesta more VFM option ?

Because if I get to save that extra 3 lakhs cash & put another 2 lakhs, I can also buy the cheapest Automatic in India. The Maruthi celerio .

But if it is really really worth, then I don't mind spending that extra cash.

 

[1989rs500]

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1. If @Volksjager has regular back seat passengers- Toyota
2. If @Volksjager loves driving and is mostly going to spent the drive time behind the wheel- Fiesta
3. IF @Volksjager wants to keep the car more than 5 years or more than 2 lakh kms- Toyota
4. If @Volksjager wants better stock audio system,more feature packed cabin,more diesel punch - then Fiesta TDCi fells more punchy to drive
5. If @Volksjager thinks of cheaper service and maintenance cost- Toyota

 

[Volksjäger]

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Haha...thanks for your advice man . Yeah, there are many if's & but's, I need to drive the corolla once when it arrives. I will remember all your inputs & make a decision of my own. And by the way, I would like to add that Ford Crown Victoria is the American corolla.

 

[1989rs500]

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Haha...thanks for your advice man . Yeah, there are many if's & but's, I need to drive the corolla once when it arrives. I will remember all your inputs & make a decision of my own. And by the way, I would like to add that Ford Crown Victoria is the American corolla.

Indeed it is, a friend of mine in Dubai told this to me where Crown Victoria is very famous car, he also saw the new 2014 Lincoln MKZ kept on display on a mall and he tells in flesh it looks supremely elegant, much better than BMWs and Audis and Mercs
United Arab Emirates - Lincoln Cars, Ford Motor Company, Lincoln Middle East

 

[Volksjäger]

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@1989rs500 Do you know where is the glow plug control module located for the fiesta? I hope that they didnt place it below. It might go kaput in rainy seasons. When I bought my fiesta in 2006, airfilter inlet was placed way below & I know a few owners who were devastated due to their engines getting seized due to water & showing their anger. I was the lucky one who escaped the monsoon. Later they recalled it & placed the airfilter into the front quarter panel above! My car was also involved in the recall.

 

[1989rs500]

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@1989rs500 Do you know where is the glow plug control module located for the fiesta? I hope that they didnt place it below. It might go kaput in rainy seasons. When I bought my fiesta in 2006, airfilter inlet was placed way below & I know a few owners who were devastated due to their engines getting seized due to water & showing their anger. I was the lucky one who escaped the monsoon. Later they recalled it & placed the airfilter into the front quarter panel above! My car was also involved in the recall.

The Fiesta 2012 too has its glow plug placed at bottom but it didnt have much issues like what Ecosport had because the water and dust wont have enough clear way to get inside the smaller greenhouse that houses the Fiestas engine, also Fiesta has its glow plug well insulated, still 1 of the glow plug is placed very low,cant describe the place correctly, but most of them are well insulated so I hope no need for worry with Fiesta but for Ecosport it might have been an issue as the space for water to jump and thrash into was much more than it is in Fiesta

 

[Apple]

Re: Ford Fiesta Facelift Coming To India in 2014

Motorbeam got hold of face-lifted Fiesta brochure. Looks like the launch is nearby.

High points:
1. Only diesel, Period
2. The variant names are now in sync with EcoSport variants (Ambient, Trend, Titanium)
3. Trend variant (previously Style) gets USB. I hope bluetooth is provided as well
4. Titanium gets rain sensing vipers, push-button start and keyless vehicle system
5. Base variant Ambient gets driver side airbag, Trend and Titanium gets both driver and passenger airbag
6. SYNC replaces previous voice-control system

To me Trend with all the safety features looks VFM. SYNC will be missed though :(

 

[draneeshpm]

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A motor portal has uploaded the New Fiesta brochure and there is only a Diesel engine as option !I can't believe this,if it's true I have no words for the guys at Ford India.When the prices of diesel is getting regularised and the sales of petrol is increasing you come out with a Diesel only option?

 

[Bopanna]

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No trim has 6 airbags. After Hyundai removed 6-airbags from the Verna, Ford was the last hope. But this means the entire C2 sedan segment has no offering with a full safety kit. Automakers are trying to entice buyers with fancy exterior or convenience gadgets, while pinching pennies on safety features. This puts Ecosport AT with ESP, TCS, EBD, ABS and 6 airbag stand out as a true VFM for someone who wants safety foremost.

Every brand is pushing diesel vehicles. Eg. Honda is delaying Petrol City deliveries. VW is delaying 1.2 TSI Vento/Polo deliveries. Won't be surprised if Ford too is doing that. Basically, they want to milch the maximum out of the diesel vehicles before it bottoms out either due to additional taxes or due to price parity with petrol.

 

[Volksjäger]

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Actually I needed a variant that doesn't have ACC, rain sensing wipers, power OVRM, push button start, keyless vehicle system (I have my reasons). I just needed a Fiesta excluding all these with a nice rear view camera & alloys. If I buy the basic ambient version, I can upgrade the music system with a nice aftermarket one or I can also source Ford's my ford touch system, that gets integrated into the dash but Ford will be happy to void my warranty! I can get myself some nice aftermarket alloy wheels, but OEM alloys are always tried & tested. Aftermarket wheels cannot match the exact specs of the OEM alloy wheels. And again warranty will be voided. Seems like Ford left me no choice other than to buy Titanium version.

I can say that hyundai is one such culprit which lures its customers by giving useless features.
And to match the competition, other auto brands also give such features. It has become like a competition, which is the most feature rich car in the segment! If something goes wrong in future, bills will also be rich !

Actually, I wanted a rear view camera which is very useful that is integrated into the dash. I have a JVC in my swift that's working reliably for 5 years & loads faster than my friends RCD510 in his VW Jetta. Rather than sticking a 3.5 inch rear view LCD monitor to the front windshield using a suction cup. I prefer it be in the dash which looks neat & also the LCD won't get fried during the summer season.

This is India, we need to spend our money on something's that are not required, to get something's right. In my case, I will buy the Fiesta Titanium version, open the fuse box first & will look for the fuse that is related to auto wipers & remove it. That's all I can do.
Anyways thanks for sharing the info Apple.

 

[1989rs500]

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A motor portal has uploaded the New Fiesta brochure and there is only a Diesel engine as option !I can't believe this,if it's true I have no words for the guys at Ford India.When the prices of diesel is getting regularised and the sales of petrol is increasing you come out with a Diesel only option?

@draneeshpm All these info are just non official right, If Ford is not releasing the petrol variant I hope its for a better petrol Fiesta the one with Ecoboost, I have already posted videos of Fiesta ecoboost with Powershift transmission,
Its a good thing that India too is taking pollution norms with some serious eye, so Ford might change all NA engines to turbos so that better Power, better low end torque,less emissions as well
So If Ford is taking time to introduce Fiesta petrol as an ecoboost the move is utmost welcome
But from my source in Chennai the news I got is Ford will introduce 1.5 TiVCT first then will introduce ecoboost at a premium price tag of around 50k more than regular petrol (manual) after a year of launch of 1.5 petrol
@Bopanna Ford learned a lesson with Ecosoprt that if we introduce 6 airbags in a car the rear grab handles should be compromised which Indians solely miss, so 4 Airbags, About petrol yes the fact may be true but Ford will definitely introduce petrol variant within a few months time,and I am hoping for a full ecoboost petrol lineup, the 1.5 NA engine is good but Ecoboost and Fiesta is one hell of a combination
@VolksJager Auto wipers,rain sensing wipers etc are modern features that all brands are trying to introduce into basic or entry level cars, so that they can hide a bigger flaw & keep the buyer interested in the model, In case of Ford a lot of my friends argued the same like what If Ford made a lot more tidy neat and perfectly fitted and finished interior,all power windows auto Up/Down with anti pinch in Ecosport rather than adding gimmicks like SYNC,rear seat recline feature,etc etc
The reason is the market always sets eyes on something thats new and unique and everybody wants a pie of the novelty factor, Hyundai is the best eg: If we look into Hyundais premium brand KIA as told by some auto journo we will find features that exceeds 2 -3 class of cars above in some KIA and hence they are sometimes called Koreans Imitating Audi but the fact is KIA sells like hot cakes due to these tricks
And actually Koreans showed the world a lesson that however small that nation is whatever people may tell about their products if they keep on implying this feature introduction theory the product will gradually grab the market, another eg is Samsung, they were considered crappy due to poor quality phones,electronics etc but gradually they studied how to keep track with market and is now currently worlds best mobile sellers
Ford as a brand dosent have the money to keep same quality worldwide like in VAG cars, so they need to cover up something with some other interesting things and this worked out wonders in Europe,USA,Australia, its a one time Pony trick that will gradually mature into a brilliant idea once the brand gets a name in the market,still now Ford dosent have the image of Hyundai,nor Honda nor VW nor Toyota, so Ford needs people to tell that Ford offers superb features for the price and thats what they are aiming for,once they get good market trust they will introduce all global Ford models here and then even if a product dosent sell well,it wont affect much as there will be much more products to fill the gap,until then we are bound to see funny decisions and some disappointments in between the goodies

 

[Volksjäger]

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A small correction guys, I was under the impression that the base variant comes with some kind of music system. Seems like fiesta base variant is not coming with any music system. I really would like to see how the Fiesta base variant interiors look like.
And can I order 4 OEM alloys separately if I am buying the base variant ?

 

[Volksjäger]

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Just surfed the net regarding Aftermarket touch screen headunits for Ford. There is no way, you can install without cutting the wires for 2013 Ford Fiesta or Ecosport. Including the my Ford touch system. Connectors are not matching. Hence, warranty will be voided ! Rather than going through all the hassle, its better to stick with OEM.



This guy wanted to swap his Ford sync system with a touch screen head unit. But connectors didn't match.

@1989rs500 Dude I am not complaining about quality or any other stuff. What I am pleading is, give me features but the one's that are very useful. For ex% Auto-wipers, they are useless in India. A lot of dust accumulates every now & then. And a human brain pretty well knows how & when to use the wipers. It's just an added luxury. Instead of this, they could have given an electro chromic mirror I would have been very happy. These are the things which humans cannot do. Like wise, if they would have given a simple backup camera, it would have been very useful. What's the use of keyless entry tell me ? The only purpose of the key is to start/stop the vehicle & security. I am saying, not to give features. But they must also prioritise which is more important.