Ford EcoSport Review & Pictures

[1989rs500]

Re: RPM between 920-950

it does vary however limited frequency.... just started to happen with code as well.

they had written that RPM shift are fine. Please note RPM are touching 920-950 when RPM mark moves up with jerks.

I have lost my car manual so cannot refer it. I guess idle RPM range is 750-850.

Cut off happens every 10-15 seconds. Crazy !!!

Got a quote of 5.6 L and planning to sell car if I get a good price. Already test driven WRV, not fan of it but where is the choice. Else will keep as back up car.

In diagnosis mode all cars will have different rpm,idling range and AC , its quiet normal, the rpms shift with time to reduce NOx and CO emissions, its not a bad thing, its a good thing that it does this, regarding VW emissions, they had the issue because they knowingly made their cars negate all the rpm surges when the car is in demand for power, TDis rev so freely for a reason, most other diesels have strict compact valves and EGRs that limit turbo pressure etc, VWs engines are super exciting to drive because they simply cut off all this and allow easy combustion meaning lot of torque and power at the expense of emission gases which led to issues with a lot of countries who have strict emission norms

the Fords ECU is a learning ECU, once it learns how much the driver keeps foot on pedal, how much clutch is usually used per hour, how much time car idles etc it sets a pattern and each car will have different settings, not just Ford, Fiat and VW too uses same scheme, so idling rpm etc will vary from car to car in small measures ie in 200-500 rpm range

The vibrations however isnt normal, thats what I think is the issue and frankly I am too not sure whats the issue, I still suspect a blower fan or maybe engine mount issue.

Anyway why WRV, in that case the Brezza is far better choice than WRV

 

[Esmaniac]

Re: RPM between 920-950

In diagnosis mode all cars will have different rpm,idling range and AC , its quiet normal, the rpms shift with time to reduce NOx and CO emissions, its not a bad thing, its a good thing that it does this, regarding VW emissions, they had the issue because they knowingly made their cars negate all the rpm surges when the car is in demand for power, TDis rev so freely for a reason, most other diesels have strict compact valves and EGRs that limit turbo pressure etc, VWs engines are super exciting to drive because they simply cut off all this and allow easy combustion meaning lot of torque and power at the expense of emission gases which led to issues with a lot of countries who have strict emission norms

the Fords ECU is a learning ECU, once it learns how much the driver keeps foot on pedal, how much clutch is usually used per hour, how much time car idles etc it sets a pattern and each car will have different settings, not just Ford, Fiat and VW too uses same scheme, so idling rpm etc will vary from car to car in small measures ie in 200-500 rpm range

The vibrations however isnt normal, thats what I think is the issue and frankly I am too not sure whats the issue, I still suspect a blower fan or maybe engine mount issue.

Anyway why WRV, in that case the Brezza is far better choice than WRV

What a country we live in. Sell the product is solution then press for a legal claim.

I am all wiling to sue them, but family asking me not to. As I cannot sell car while it is under litigation.

Breeza, got 6 months waiting I guess. Lets see, as lot depends on my next job's car lease plan too. Damn, I liked the car and was planning an automatic ES next when I bought the car. However they have simply disappointed me.

I wont die wondering though. Next will be to create a video of similar cars and press them prove where is the difference. Why give up, we end up doing it all our lives@in this democratic world. Selling car is a easy exit after the nuisance they created. Why the hell I bought it man in first place. Spending hours on net and workshop aint fun.

 

[Esmaniac]

Looks like this guy has similar issue even though frequency is too low to bother 1-2 minutes while in my case its every few seconds. Fuel efficiency is another common issue.

Ford EcoSport : Official Review - Page 747 - Team-BHP

Wish to post on Team BHP, however, they never accept my registration request. Seems ,I gotta go to British Council and learn 'Brit' style English. I had given detailed answers to the standard Q's they had asked during registrations. Will ILETS score of 8 help?? I am happy with post here anyways.

 

[1989rs500]

Re: RPM between 920-950

What a country we live in. Sell the product is solution then press for a legal claim.

I am all wiling to sue them, but family asking me not to. As I cannot sell car while it is under litigation.

Breeza, got 6 months waiting I guess. Lets see, as lot depends on my next job's car lease plan too. Damn, I liked the car and was planning an automatic ES next when I bought the car. However they have simply disappointed me.

I wont die wondering though. Next will be to create a video of similar cars and press them prove where is the difference. Why give up, we end up doing it all our lives@in this democratic world. Selling car is a easy exit after the nuisance they created. Why the hell I bought it man in first place. Spending hours on net and workshop aint fun.

If @Esmaniac is that disappointed I say book Brezza and wait for its delivery and then sell the Ecosport, and in between that time shoot the video of how this issue sucks and keep it within and upload it some time after the Ecosport is sold out.
Might be some simple issue but the incompetence of Ford technicians being not able to find what it is whats the worst part. On another note a lot of people live with such issues, I still remember a Linea a friends father bought, from the 1st service on the car had issues, it still has issues with gears not falling properly specially from 3rd to 2nd and from 5th to 4th etc, but somehow his father lives with it, even at 70k+ kms on odometer , it was the 1st gen Linea.

 

[Esmaniac]

Manual RPM 750-800 , Ford says 950 is Fine...

If @Esmaniac is that disappointed I say book Brezza and wait for its delivery and then sell the Ecosport, and in between that time shoot the video of how this issue sucks and keep it within and upload it some time after the Ecosport is sold out.
Might be some simple issue but the incompetence of Ford technicians being not able to find what it is whats the worst part. On another note a lot of people live with such issues, I still remember a Linea a friends father bought, from the 1st service on the car had issues, it still has issues with gears not falling properly specially from 3rd to 2nd and from 5th to 4th etc, but somehow his father lives with it, even at 70k+ kms on odometer , it was the 1st gen Linea.

Thats a point to live with it. Another thing is Manual says idle RPM is 750-800.

Why Ford saying idle RPM of 780-960 (When there is noise), is normal. They say 180 RPM is for AC compressor. Point is than is the manual wrong?

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Manual RPM 750-800 , Ford says 950 is Fine...

Thats a point to live with it. Another thing is Manual says idle RPM is 750-800.

Why Ford saying idle RPM of 780-960 (When there is noise), is normal. They say 180 RPM is for AC compressor. Point is than is the manual wrong?

These are all allowed variations,
See all brands have such variations in idle rpm, its not at all something one can say will be certain, specially with time these values will change

But issue for the Ecosport here in question is the excessive sound and vibration, which usually is due to a blower fan assembly gone wrong or something thats not right with the AC unit. The point I noted is that its not something thats normal to make such big noise and vibration for a car just after 30 min-1 hour of use, and the fact that Ford isnt able to pin point issue is the real problem.

 

[Esmaniac]

Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

These are all allowed variations,
See all brands have such variations in idle rpm, its not at all something one can say will be certain, specially with time these values will change

But issue for the Ecosport here in question is the excessive sound and vibration, which usually is due to a blower fan assembly gone wrong or something thats not right with the AC unit. The point I noted is that its not something thats normal to make such big noise and vibration for a car just after 30 min-1 hour of use, and the fact that Ford isnt able to pin point issue is the real problem.

Thanks my Indian Expert. I decided to seek opinion from US guys and here is what a certified engineer has to say - Ford Listening :

I would check to see if the software in the ECM is the latest available. If not, flash update the ECM.

The fluctuation is a direct consequence of the control strategy programmed into the ECM as well as any other body controls modules that have microprocessors controlling HVAC. If the high frequency excursion in the idle is not due to faulty sensors, feedbacks, and so forth, that means that it is a programming issue.

If you can get high enough within the Ford organizatoin, or somehow obtain the services of an ECM specialist, they can get to the root cause and resolve it via reprogramming of the control strategy. I do tend to agree with you that this is a potential vehicle defect but to resolve it you will have deal directly with Ford and/or an automotive engineering/design specialist who can possibility get in the ECM and modify the control strategy.

As far as the effect on vehicle fuel efficiency, such is nil based on the particulars (idle variation of 200 RPM) you have described. The negative effect, if any exists at all, will be too small to measure.

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

Thanks my Indian Expert. I decided to seek opinion from US guys and here is what a certified engineer has to say - Ford Listening :

I would check to see if the software in the ECM is the latest available. If not, flash update the ECM.

The fluctuation is a direct consequence of the control strategy programmed into the ECM as well as any other body controls modules that have microprocessors controlling HVAC. If the high frequency excursion in the idle is not due to faulty sensors, feedbacks, and so forth, that means that it is a programming issue.

If you can get high enough within the Ford organizatoin, or somehow obtain the services of an ECM specialist, they can get to the root cause and resolve it via reprogramming of the control strategy. I do tend to agree with you that this is a potential vehicle defect but to resolve it you will have deal directly with Ford and/or an automotive engineering/design specialist who can possibility get in the ECM and modify the control strategy.

As far as the effect on vehicle fuel efficiency, such is nil based on the particulars (idle variation of 200 RPM) you have described. The negative effect, if any exists at all, will be too small to measure.

Actually this is more of an uncertain explanation right, thats exactly what I am talking as well, I sure agree there is some issue but finding it is what Ford India failed at, and about the ECM that is what I posted earlier that it has a learning ECU, and updates its program for each car depending on outside temperature, accelerator input, frequency of downshifts etc etc
Sorting this issue sure is not easy, there must be some skilled programmer or a good logical technician who can feedback his inputs back into the system to pin point the malfunctioning part.

 

[Esmaniac]

Re: Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

Actually this is more of an uncertain explanation right, thats exactly what I am talking as well, I sure agree there is some issue but finding it is what Ford India failed at, and about the ECM that is what I posted earlier that it has a learning ECU, and updates its program for each car depending on outside temperature, accelerator input, frequency of downshifts etc etc
Sorting this issue sure is not easy, there must be some skilled programmer or a good logical technician who can feedback his inputs back into the system to pin point the malfunctioning part.

Point is I ultimately suffer and along with me you, who has to explain so many things.

Why cant they give a new car...lol...Give me AT variant I will pay difference. Kidding..

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

Point is I ultimately suffer and along with me you, who has to explain so many things.

Why cant they give a new car...lol...Give me AT variant I will pay difference. Kidding..

Yes I dont think not just Ford but any brand wouldnt do so such favors or will admit its a fault when they cant diagnose it properly,
Thats why I was saying if the issue is so much irritating then there is no choice but to sell the car, because once a person looses faith in a brand there is no use trying to rectify a brand, the best way to punish them is by selling them off and getting a new car of some other brand and posting some negative feedback of the brand to some authorities if possible
Or else one must take the time and pain to file a complaint against the brand and its product in consumer court.

 

[Esmaniac]

Re: Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

Yes I dont think not just Ford but any brand wouldnt do so such favors or will admit its a fault when they cant diagnose it properly,
Thats why I was saying if the issue is so much irritating then there is no choice but to sell the car, because once a person looses faith in a brand there is no use trying to rectify a brand, the best way to punish them is by selling them off and getting a new car of some other brand and posting some negative feedback of the brand to some authorities if possible
Or else one must take the time and pain to file a complaint against the brand and its product in consumer court.

Bro was kidding. AT of Ford well hell no. They cannot diagnose a simple issue, how will the diagnose AT kit if something goes wrong.

 

[1989rs500]

Re: Response from US auto Expert - It is an issue

Bro was kidding. AT of Ford well hell no. They cannot diagnose a simple issue, how will the diagnose AT kit if something goes wrong.

Of course I do know about the kidding statement, but I guess @Esmaniac got my point, not just Ford but no brand will admit their faults and do sufficient compensation , some might do at some rare circumstances but its very much unlikely
What most technicians at Ford service do when such an issue occur is that they will check whether the issue is bad enough that the car is not derivable, if its not they will issue help, otherwise they will find some crappy excuses to shoo away the customer.

 

[Esmaniac]

This GUY Got the Answer to RPM issues...

Seems I am not the only one. I am not sure what all parts he changed, but he did seem to solve the problem. Surprise is he also got 2013 ES..

His car has higher RPM above 1K as I guess it is 2.0 Engine.
I guess he changed TB, not sure what other things he did?? Any one?? When he could get error codes, why ford could not get any in OBD check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-qD6ZvpxR8

My 2 main issues are:
1.Sudden acceleration when I am pressing paddle and when it coincides with RPM shift. There is off course a loss of power post that too after this cycle ends. Luckily shift is very else, els imagine the impact. Thus, worried.

Not forgetting the crap NVH levels. Last attempt after that notice will reach them.

2. Fuel efficiency is down like crazy. Nearly 40% down. A full tank lasting 500-550KM.

 

[Esmaniac]

ANother Joke at Harpreet Ford - Car is Old hence the noise

Visiting Harpreet Ford is like an appearance in Court.

You have to prove that Car is guilty. They are like law Blind. Can only see what the Laptop will show.

Joke 1 : As car's RPM was shifting every 10 seconds we showed it to SA.

While in a New car we tested did so 1nce every 60 second.

Per him it was my 'Doubt' all is fine with car. I had my friend with me who is a B Tech.

We were expecting this answer from SA and asked him to show other new car.

Guess, what while our car was in shed , it was showing RPM shift every 10 Secs. (They call it compressor cut off)

Precisely the count was 7 in 65 Seconds or so. Guy said car is under shed and hence the compressor is cut off. I was like how will you explain this when car is in Open Sun at 45 Degrees.

He said lets try new car. Now in new car cut offs started after 12 minutes. He moved the car under work shop - Guess what only 8 cuts in 7 minutes.

So, his theory that all car cut off every 10 seconds under shed falls into pieces.

Now to prove that my car does cuts even under Sun, which per him was impossible, we took car for spins outside.

I asked him to move the car under Sun and lets fail his theory that Cut off leading to RPM shift happened as car was under sun.

We had a short trip and once car on heated, after 11 minutes guy said it wont cut off as it is under Sun.

I was wait a sec. Guess what - Next 10 seconds it started RPM fluctuation cycle. Same every 10 seconds. His lies were fallen flat and he said temperature must have reached. I was you just said it wont as we are under 40+ degrees sun.


While in New car it was like 3 times in over 70 Seconds after they took car away for 45 minutes drive.

In Nutshell,

Under Sun or Under Shade - My car RPM shifts every 10 Seconds

New Car under Shed - RPM fluctuated 7 times in 7 minutes

New Car Under Sun after 45 min long drive - 3 cuts in 70 Seconds.


Joke 2 : New car was silent and for this SA said.

Your car is old and will make noise.
I was like it is making noise since 10K KM, so you saying Ford car good enough for 10K KMs.

It is an absolute disgrace that they cannot solve a simple issue.

Joke 3 : We asked him to show the Graphs which shows movement of RPM over a time horizon. He said it requires special wire for IDC to produce chart and he can only show Screen shots. He was taking screen shots for Ford.

A chart would have easily proves that my car fluctuates far frequently. Add to it noise and vibrations levels.

I showed them Noise levels as well on a APP, that noise levels are way higher in my car.

They said they will discuss with FORD.

JOKE JOKE JOKE OF THE YEAR.....

 

[1989rs500]

Re: ANother Joke at Harpreet Ford - Car is Old hence the noise

Visiting Harpreet Ford is like an appearance in Court.

They said they will discuss with FORD.

JOKE JOKE JOKE OF THE YEAR.....

Another issue could be the throttle position sensor, if this sensor goes wrong too the rpm will fluctuate as the ECM dosent get correct feedback of the throttle position it will shift rpm on a cyclic basis based on some erratic pattern
SO it could be a throttle position sensor issue as well

Again these are my diagnosis,

Regarding the JOKE, I agree with that most Ford technicians are jokers , rarely we find a well informed and genuine technician among European car brands
Even Honda and Hyundai has jokers , have laughed so much after hearing some of their PATHETIC explanations