Ford EcoSport Facelift 2018 Launched in India (Coverage Pg: 34)

[hitzscofield]

I too agree with this
The back seat cushions on Ecosport ie the leather seats are way more comfortable than the ones in Creta also under thigh support I found Ecosport to be just slightly better, not a big margin
The back seat legroom though is more and is significant specially when the driver is above 5.5 feet the Ecosport struggles to manage one with same height on drivers back seats, not at all an issue in Creta
Also Creta facelift will be launched by mid 2018 and that one will get a new 6 speed TC AT and diesel and petrol options, so if that comes the Ecopsorts AT advantage will be more at stake, specially after the new price hike

Ecosport Titanium+ TDCi is still a good choice

Wouldn't the facelift come with corresponding price hike giving advantage to Ecosport?
Unless Petrol too has a mid variant AT, I don't think that will change the scales.

Even if they upgrade the low end response of Petrol and Diesel engines like they did in Verna (my assumption), the gearbox itself will remain same as it is the same unit in Elantra, Verna and Creta.

On the height part, we are a small family with avg. height, so Ecosport should do. But yes, will need inputs of all family members through a test drive.

Only focused on AT as cannot drive manual due to back pain.

 

[kkn13]

Its justified as long as one needs more space inside and better exterior appeal,
Its not justified on how it drives rides and handles though and the gearbox is just fine, the Fords 6 speed is much better.
Infotainment and music system too of Ford is better than Creta SX O ATs system,

If space is a criteria with Ground clearance and AT then Creta is better than Ecosport,

Ill have to disagree here
I own a Tucson and I believe its the same gearbox as on the Creta,Verna,Elantra
Its an absolute fun to drive gearbox that shifts conservatively but it means its always in the powerband , never feels lugged
Not as fast as DSG/DCT but better for long term reliability

I havent used Creta's new HU with Android Auto and all but if its similar to my Tucson,then its easily the one to take the cake
Ford's Headunit is also fantastic but UI looks dated and is white colour VS blue on Hyundai, so white can be very distracting on Ecosport
Arkamys has done a great job with Hyundai's ICE setup, but Creta's is a bit underwhelming coming from my Tucson or even my 3rd gen City, whose stock HU sounds ages better than alot of HUs in the market, yet to listen to Fords speakers

Ground clearance shouldnt be an issue for either
Ecosport seat is a bit more upright and comfortable than Creta though, one of the reasons I never considered Creta

Both cars are excellent buys however and miles better than the competition given their respective price ranges and target segments
Ecosport is probably my next car

 

[hitzscofield]

Ill have to disagree here
I own a Tucson and I believe its the same gearbox as on the Creta,Verna,Elantra
Its an absolute fun to drive gearbox that shifts conservatively but it means its always in the powerband , never feels lugged
Not as fast as DSG/DCT but better for long term reliability

I havent used Creta's new HU with Android Auto and all but if its similar to my Tucson,then its easily the one to take the cake
Ford's Headunit is also fantastic but UI looks dated and is white colour VS blue on Hyundai, so white can be very distracting on Ecosport
Arkamys has done a great job with Hyundai's ICE setup, but Creta's is a bit underwhelming coming from my Tucson or even my 3rd gen City, whose stock HU sounds ages better than alot of HUs in the market, yet to listen to Fords speakers

Ground clearance shouldnt be an issue for either
Ecosport seat is a bit more upright and comfortable than Creta though, one of the reasons I never considered Creta

Both cars are excellent buys however and miles better than the competition given their respective price ranges and target segments
Ecosport is probably my next car

Very informative.
Don't think Creta has Arkamys unit. It got popularized with the new Verna
I found Ecosport more engaging to drive than Creta. Since I will be the only person on most occasions, I am inclined towards Ford but brother is more keen on Creta just for the exterior looks and size.

 

[1989rs500]

Very informative.
Don't think Creta has Arkamys unit. It got popularized with the new Verna
I found Ecosport more engaging to drive than Creta. Since I will be the only person on most occasions, I am inclined towards Ford but brother is more keen on Creta just for the exterior looks and size.

YEs thats a big factor when some people consider their cars, the Ecosport looks sporty but the Creta is a good blend of sharp classic styling mixed with enough elements of sportiness with larger dimensions that give it great presence

I have compared Fords SYNC 3 with new Vernas system and there is no competition here the SYNC 3 is far more advanced and much better to use as well, the SYNC 3 might not have Navigation in built but on all other counts whether be it screen resolution, brightness, the smoothness, the functionality all are better than Hyundais, in fact I couldnt find anything under 20 lakhs thats better than this SYNC 3, the VWs touch screen however is superb, I mean the one in Octavia is as good or better than SYNC 3, but its a close call

If family average height is small, Ecosport is a superb buy, I say take the the Ecosport Trend+, its more than enough as majority of extra additions like alloy wheels, projector head lamps, rear view camera, can be integrated after purchase,
Only things that cannot be retrofitted are
boot flat loading parcel shelves
Paddle shifters for AT
And Gearshift Modes

I dont think they are deal breakers as well, and one could save a lot with Trend+ Ecosport compared to Creta, City, Vento , Automatics

 

[kkn13]

Creta does have the Arkamys unit
Im not sure if its the same as Tucson though but it does seem similar
Ive used the older unit and it was different

Ive compared SYNC 3 of Endeavour and Arkamys of Tucson, Both were on par with respect to brightness etc but Arkamys is easier on the eye while driving given the blue colour
I dont see why you find it better though
Navigation is a different story, OEM maps are terrible regardless of brand, rather use Google Maps


I agree about Ecosport being more engaging to drive than Creta
Creta steering feedback isnt as good as Ecosport or my Tucson, it is still better than older Hyundais though

Maybe its personal preference , either way both are good in what they do
Im considering Ecosport , so Ill probably get best of both soon given I already have a Tucson

 

[hitzscofield]

YEs thats a big factor when some people consider their cars, the Ecosport looks sporty but the Creta is a good blend of sharp classic styling mixed with enough elements of sportiness with larger dimensions that give it great presence

If family average height is small, Ecosport is a superb buy, I say take the the Ecosport Trend+, its more than enough as majority of extra additions like alloy wheels, projector head lamps, rear view camera, can be integrated after purchase,
Only things that cannot be retrofitted are
boot flat loading parcel shelves
Paddle shifters for AT
And Gearshift Modes

I dont think they are deal breakers as well, and one could save a lot with Trend+ Ecosport compared to Creta, City, Vento , Automatics

You missed six airbags, HLA, ESC, TCS none of which are offered in any Creta AT variant (they are only in the top most Manual)

Creta does have the Arkamys unit

I agree about Ecosport being more engaging to drive than Creta
Creta steering feedback isnt as good as Ecosport or my Tucson, it is still better than older Hyundais though

Maybe its personal preference , either way both are good in what they do
Im considering Ecosport , so Ill probably get best of both soon given I already have a Tucson

In your opinion, how significantly superior is Ecosport’s drive on engagement level than Creta’s?

 

[1989rs500]

In your opinion, how significantly superior is Ecosport’s drive on engagement level than Creta’s?

If Ecospot Titanium+ vs Creta Sx o AT is compared Ecosport takes a big leap above Creta when it comes to the Creta
1. The new 6 speed AT has better gear ratios
2. Paddle shif is any day a superior control than any AT with even trip tronic, only Honda City, Ecosport offer this feature under 20 lakhs cars.
3. Handling wise also the Ecosport is better, there is more nose dive while braking in Ecosport though than Creta ,
4. The one area that most Ecosport Titanium+ users are going to hate is ride quality in low to mid speeds, the 17" wheels are a disadvanntage, its always better to downgrade to a 16" one with better side walls , it takes away that supreme look but thats worth it because the ride quality becomes so much better with 210/R55 15" alloy wheels, just take care of wheel hub and PCD number of a Titanium Manual Ecosport before switching to 16" tire and we will get best of both worlds, comfort,better ride and if its mischellin better handling as well.

 

[kkn13]

If Ecospot Titanium+ vs Creta Sx o AT is compared Ecosport takes a big leap above Creta when it comes to the Creta
1. The new 6 speed AT has better gear ratios
2. Paddle shif is any day a superior control than any AT with even trip tronic, only Honda City, Ecosport offer this feature under 20 lakhs cars.
3. Handling wise also the Ecosport is better, there is more nose dive while braking in Ecosport though than Creta ,
4. The one area that most Ecosport Titanium+ users are going to hate is ride quality in low to mid speeds, the 17" wheels are a disadvanntage, its always better to downgrade to a 16" one with better side walls , it takes away that supreme look but thats worth it because the ride quality becomes so much better with 210/R55 15" alloy wheels, just take care of wheel hub and PCD number of a Titanium Manual Ecosport before switching to 16" tire and we will get best of both worlds, comfort,better ride and if its mischellin better handling as well.

1. Yeah someone I know says its not conservative in shifting gears like Hyundai

2. Frankly I personally never use tiptronic or manual mode, my hand always touches it by accident in my friends' cars

3. I feel the slightly stiffer suspension makes the Ecosport this way

4. Suspension of Creta is a bit cushioned compared to Ecosport
Ecosport is stiffer meaning better cornering but slightly jiggly in potholes, not a dealbreaker at all though

Your observations seem on point !

 

[akshat812]

i went to sc ford today and the SA informed that they had titanium petrol in canyon ride, silver and red colour available with them ready.

i plan to book silver tomorrow, but my doubt is if these ready available cars are rejected versions? or are they being used for TD and dealer wants to clear it off before the year changes.

SA showed me the car stock list and it had dec 6 as date when the car arrived at the dealer.

why would the dealer receive cars without being booked by someone?

would like know your views as i plan to book the car today.

 

[1989rs500]

i went to sc ford today and the SA informed that they had titanium petrol in canyon ride, silver and red colour available with them ready.

i plan to book silver tomorrow, but my doubt is if these ready available cars are rejected versions? or are they being used for TD and dealer wants to clear it off before the year changes.

SA showed me the car stock list and it had dec 6 as date when the car arrived at the dealer.

why would the dealer receive cars without being booked by someone?

would like know your views as i plan to book the car today.

Rejected ones are not at all an issue as its commona and almost 90% of Maruti cars we see on road are rejected by someone specially swifts and Dzires, but test drive cars can only be found out with proper PDi. Also tachometer tells whats been done on car, usually any kms below 50 means dealer havent messed with them.
Most dealers wont get alloted what they ask for to Ford India. Ford India allots whats available and asks dealers to sell them, this is how it usually works, and thats the reason why some dealers have ready stock of cars, most dealers will look whether there are takers for a particular model for 2-3 months..if there are not much interested they will turn up to be test drive cars.

 

[gearhead2]

Both the Ecosport & the Creta are large hatchbacks - period. Where does the SUV bit come-in - without AWD or 4WD or even basic RWD. Undoubtedly they are highly competent hatchbacks - as most monocoque structures usually are. And they certainly fulfill all the segment (hatchback) criteria. But SUV's - naaah!

 

[adivik]

They can be called a Hatch back but they higher ground clearance and SUV type suspension which other Hatchbacks have. Sedan/ normal Hatch back suspension and build quality is generally much poorer. Down side is aerodynamically they have much Higher drag and much Higher weight reducing mileage.

 

[hitzscofield]

They can be called a Hatch back but they higher ground clearance and SUV type suspension which other Hatchbacks have. Sedan/ normal Hatch back suspension and build quality is generally much poorer. Down side is aerodynamically they have much Higher drag and much Higher weight reducing mileage.

Agree. While they may not be "SUV" in the traditional sense, their practicality is immense. Advantage of ground clearance + high seating compared to sedans/hatchbacks plus not having the unwieldy size of traditional ladder-frame SUVs is a big plus. That is why people like me are considering these for urban usage.

 

[gearhead2]

They can be called a Hatch back but they higher ground clearance and SUV type suspension which other Hatchbacks have. Sedan/ normal Hatch back suspension and build quality is generally much poorer. Down side is aerodynamically they have much Higher drag and much Higher weight reducing mileage.

Higher G.C. certainly, but SUV type suspension?? Just what is an SUV type suspension - or rather how is this different from any other type of suspension? Are you suggesting that the Brezza or the Ecosport has superior build quality than say the Baleno or the Rapid? I'm not sure about this but I hesitate to go out on a limb about this!
I agree that because of their height they are probably more unstable & would need some form of roll-over mitigation measure, which none of the examples under discussion have - at least not that I know of.

Agree. While they may not be "SUV" in the traditional sense, their practicality is immense. Advantage of ground clearance + high seating compared to sedans/hatchbacks plus not having the unwieldy size of traditional ladder-frame SUVs is a big plus. That is why people like me are considering these for urban usage.

Yes their practicality is not questioned, just like the M800 or the Alto. These cars are very nimble & manoevrable in city traffic and have great internal space for their small footprint. But surely you cant classify them as SUVs! And as far as the unwieldy size of traditional SUV's, I feel that the Gypsy (and its newer avatar, the Jimny) are quite small despite being traditional body-on-frame structures. I too would have have been tempted to go for one of this new breed - except that they have FWD! And I find that inexcusable in an SUV.

 

[akshat812]

I checked with them today on this and they told exactly the same, they purchase the cars from company and sell. The ones which they dont have in stock, they order at the company. Car is parked at their stockyard and planning to do a pdi before i make the final payment.