Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI (Booked Duster)

[Tornado]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

@OP, why do you think that duster or Scorpio might not fit in the parking slot where Ertiga is fitting ? Is it due to height or width?

If at all you need to park the car on the road , you will have to cover it with a good quality cover.

If heart is with Scorpio, it doesn't matter even if the design looks dated however if brain peeps in , then you may or may not feel sad when the 2014scorpio reaches the market.

So as to eliminate Eriga from the list or to add the storme in it you need to tell us about road conditions (bumps, pot holes, WIP, diversions, village visits etc. you are likely to encounter ) and your driving style and handling habits on same roads.
BTW, how much is your height?

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

I think @OP is thinking like this

1. He is compromising with Ertiga looking at its maintenance and network available
2. He more likes Scorpio, but wants a new model now
3. He likes Duster but feels overpriced.

So with the above, I feel it is better for you to wait till the New Scorpio is launched as Auto Expo is also not too far where you can be treated with some new vehicle which fits in with your requirements

 

[manojodungat]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

The Scorpio's handling and dynamics aren't safe

Yes, if you are new to driving an SUV and expecting anything on four wheels to handle exactly the same way. On 4/6-lane highways you can cruise easily at 120 km/h in your Scorpio. No SUV is safe enough above this mark on most of the Indian roads and conditions.

As far as Scorpio's dynamics are concerned, I do the following things on a regular basis

• Maintain the right tyre pressure depending on the load
• Check for the damage / Replace those cheap stabiliser bar bushes or balancing rod bushes [whatever the name is] every 4-5k kms.
• Wheel alignment every 2k kms at a reliable centre.
• Develop a SUV friendly driving habit, especially while cutting lanes and avoid swerving especially while you are in the north of 100km/h.

Even after 4 years and clocking 60k+ kms, every time I turn on the ignition key and move forward, the exhilaration this torque tank gives me is unmatched.

P.S:

• I had an instance during a local commute in Munnar area/Ghats section, in our fully loaded Ertiga on a steep climb with a heavy Truck in front and a private bus behind with its driver standing on the gas pedal and honking. I had my heart in my mouth, when the truck got stalled suddenly right in front and the way I had to get the 1.3L Diesel to pull the MPV from stand still, with 7 on board was indeed a lesson very well learned. Having said that it's indeed effortless to drive in the city and on highways.
• I guess I don't have to elaborate any more for why I choose the Scorpio, while the brand new Ertiga ZDi is being parked alongside wanting for a long drive?

 

[Vindan]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Thanks for everyone for all the suggestions

Give the Storme a chance.

Regarding the A.S.S., it depends on where you live and which service centre you choose, in short... your luck!

Storme has everything you need and I feel it is more VFM over the Ertiga.

Today went for the test drive of storme at Concorde Motors Velachery (Chennai). storme looks massive. The weight shows when it pulls from the first gear. The interiors are excellent compared to Scorpio. But I felt the engine is nowhere as peppy as Scorpio. The On road price for LX mentioned was around 11.5L after discounts.

@OP, why do you think that duster or Scorpio might not fit in the parking slot where Ertiga is fitting ? Is it due to height or width?

If at all you need to park the car on the road , you will have to cover it with a good quality cover.

If heart is with Scorpio, it doesn't matter even if the design looks dated however if brain peeps in , then you may or may not feel sad when the 2014scorpio reaches the market.

So as to eliminate Eriga from the list or to add the storme in it you need to tell us about road conditions (bumps, pot holes, WIP, diversions, village visits etc. you are likely to encounter ) and your driving style and handling habits on same roads.
BTW, how much is your height?

In my parking, the car goes inside in a angle to the gate. So width is a problem. I can park my Getz inside. So thought the Ertiga will also fit. Did not try Scorpio and I guess Duster width is more than Scorpio. Tomorrow the SA is planning to bring the Ertiga to my home, So I will know whether it can be parked comfortably or not.

I travel around 15-20 K in a year mostly with family. Around 50% on highways. Mostly on good roads. I drive at 100-120 KMPH only on toll roads.

I think @OP is thinking like this

1. He is compromising with Ertiga looking at its maintenance and network available
2. He more likes Scorpio, but wants a new model now
3. He likes Duster but feels overpriced.

So with the above, I feel it is better for you to wait till the New Scorpio is launched as Auto Expo is also not too far where you can be treated with some new vehicle which fits in with your requirements

RK, you are spot on. went for another test drive for Ertiga at ABT Maruti, Guindy. Test drive vehicle was not available. But as there was a price revision, I wanted to know the new price. The price quoted was around 7-8 k more than last time. There is cash discount of 20K and corp discount of around 1000 - 1500 as the SA is not sure.
As of now, only for Scorpio there is no cash discount. Yesterday the SA was telling about 19K worth of dealer accessories free and nothing else.

Here is a new set of questions

Is it advisable to buy a pre-owned Scorpio now at a budget of around 7 L instead of settling for the Ertiga? So that I can sell it after a couple of years and buy a new one. I am afraid, If I buy the Ertiga now, It is very difficult to replace it in 2-3 years timeline.

If I have to park the Scorpio in road(the road is a dead end with less traffic), will a gear lock make it secure? This may be a stupid question but I am just trying to see if someone can provide some suggestions

 

[manojodungat]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Please take a TD of one and you could get one around 11-11.5Lac with the current 1.23Lac offer.

The On road price for LX mentioned was around 11.5L after discounts.

Today went for the test drive of storme at Concorde Motors Velachery (Chennai). storme looks massive. The weight shows when it pulls from the first gear. The interiors are excellent compared to Scorpio. But I felt the engine is nowhere as peppy as Scorpio. The On road price for LX mentioned was around 11.5L after discounts.

So, Storme is out from your list.
If you are not in hurry, waiting for a couple of more months to know more about the new/facelift Scorpio would be advisable, basically to know the re-engineered interiors.
EDIT: Also expect it to be priced higher than the current one

Take your own time to test drive extensively, all the vehicles short listed. Also get each of them checked physically to know if they can be managed in your parking space.

Here is a new set of questions
Is it advisable to buy a pre-owned Scorpio now at a budget of around 7 L instead of settling for the Ertiga? So that I can sell it after a couple of years and buy a new one.

If you can find one as well maintained as the one I have or better.

If I have to park the Scorpio in road(the road is a dead end with less traffic), will a gear lock make it secure? This may be a stupid question but I am just trying to see if someone can provide some suggestions

• Its not just the thieves, that you should be worried about but other factors like change in weather conditions, dust etc too, to name a few. A good cover would solve to some extend, but that too are prone to get stolen.
• I guess the current Scorpio m-Hawks's [post 2009 models] immobilser codes can't be cracked easily.
• Hope the place you live isn't a theft prone area.
• You could install steering lock and gear lock.
• There are also more expensive options with GPS based tracker which would send you sms if the car is broken into.

All the best for your search :)

 

[DJ bro]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Well, Id say if you want a flexible, compact but spacious, easy to drive and ride, good handling and efficient highway cruiser VFM car, just go for the Ertiga and once you have got it. you won't need to replace it if and only if you want to go OFF ROAD!

 

[Gurrala74]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

@Vindan

If you need is immediate and you cannot wait for long, then go with Ertiga and as DJ said once you buy an Ertiga you don't need to go for immediate replacement as you can easily live with it for 5 to 6 years, BUT that your zeal of owning an SUV(Scorpio) will hunt you, so think about it.

As Manoj said if you get a well maintained scorpio in such price you can go for it and replace with a new one after 2 years are so, but do not expect a great resale for it after 2 years, just drive it and enjoy it.

If you have more time, then please wait till next Auto expo which is just few months away now.

For me duster doesn't make any sense with that price and the power it offers

 

[Tornado]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

@op,How much bad roads you come across routinely?, and do feel bored when you have to slow down your car while negotiating potholes and speed brakers?

 

[raj_5004]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Today went for the test drive of storme at Concorde Motors Velachery (Chennai). storme looks massive. The weight shows when it pulls from the first gear. The interiors are excellent compared to Scorpio. But I felt the engine is nowhere as peppy as Scorpio. The On road price for LX mentioned was around 11.5L after discounts.

Yes, the Storme lacks that pulling ability because the Dicor engine of Tata is not a good performer at low revs when compared to the mHawk engine of Mahindra, which shoots as soon as you press the throttle.

The main strengths of the Storme is not its engine, its the looks, seating comfort and ride quality.

Is it advisable to buy a pre-owned Scorpio now at a budget of around 7 L instead of settling for the Ertiga? So that I can sell it after a couple of years and buy a new one. I am afraid, If I buy the Ertiga now, It is very difficult to replace it in 2-3 years timeline.

Mind you, Scorpios have very good resale value.

If you are going for a used Scorpio, go for one which is not more than 3 years old and which has done not more than 30-40k kms.

A well maintained Scorpio will be reliable. An abused one will show issues.

If I have to park the Scorpio in road(the road is a dead end with less traffic), will a gear lock make it secure? This may be a stupid question but I am just trying to see if someone can provide some suggestions

Not trying to scare you, but its a fact - Scorpio is a popular choice among thieves.

But there are way to protect it. If you are buying the Scorpio Refresh, then you do not need to worry much. If you are buying the older Scorpio, then PM me to make it more secure. Of course, when its on the road, no car is completely safe from thieves.

 

[safarian]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Hi Vindan,

Although I haven't driven safari or Storme, but I drive regularly Scorpio & Xenon.
I am admitting Scorpio is indisputable king upto 80 kmph, i.e. city driving, but on highway, Safari & Storme got to be far superior than Scorpio in terms of body control & high speed mannerism, driving ergonomics. My 2 cent from the experience of driving Xenon from Kolkata to Kutch.

Thanks & Regards,

ROY

 

[TAIDhana]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Considering your requirements, Duster should be best fit for your needs. Essentially a very good compromise to meet most of your needs (SUV looks / drive, power, mileage et all). Only flip side is higher cost you pay & platicky interiors.

I own an Ertiga and have been really happy with all aspects of the car except power i.e acceleration (it has got enough torque to pull 6 people). Though it is more than enough for sedate drivers, its like driving with tied hands after driving verna for 5 years (my ex-car which had 110horses at my command).

 

[Tornado]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Today went for the test drive of storme at Concorde Motors Velachery (Chennai). storme looks massive. The weight shows when it pulls from the first gear. The interiors are excellent compared to Scorpio. But I felt the engine is nowhere as peppy a Scorpio

If you loved the peppy engine of Scorpio then ertiga is not the car for you. It doesn't stand near Scorpio as far as built, power torque required to exploit the peppy engine is concerned.


DieselTRONIC - Diesel ECU ( tuning box) to increase power and mileage with remote for multiple maps | racedynamics.in
If you feel low end pickup of storme is not good (depends on your driving habit on potholes, speed brakers, overtaking maneuvers) you can improve it @20k with a dieseltronics kit.

 

[Vindan]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

If you can find one as well maintained as the one I have or better.

• Its not just the thieves, that you should be worried about but other factors like change in weather conditions, dust etc too, to name a few. A good cover would solve to some extend, but that too are prone to get stolen.
• I guess the current Scorpio m-Hawks's [post 2009 models] immobilser codes can't be cracked easily.
• Hope the place you live isn't a theft prone area.
• You could install steering lock and gear lock.
• There are also more expensive options with GPS based tracker which would send you sms if the car is broken into.

All the best for your search :)

Manoj, Thanks for your input

If you need is immediate and you cannot wait for long, then go with Ertiga and as DJ said once you buy an Ertiga you don't need to go for immediate replacement as you can easily live with it for 5 to 6 years, BUT that your zeal of owning an SUV(Scorpio) will hunt you, so think about it.

This is what I am afraid of

Not trying to scare you, but its a fact - Scorpio is a popular choice among thieves.

But there are way to protect it. If you are buying the Scorpio Refresh, then you do not need to worry much. If you are buying the older Scorpio, then PM me to make it more secure. Of course, when its on the road, no car is completely safe from thieves.

Can you please tell me which year the new version (Scorpio Refresh) was released?

Considering your requirements, Duster should be best fit for your needs. Essentially a very good compromise to meet most of your needs (SUV looks / drive, power, mileage et all). Only flip side is higher cost you pay & platicky interiors.

I own an Ertiga and have been really happy with all aspects of the car except power i.e acceleration (it has got enough torque to pull 6 people). Though it is more than enough for sedate drivers, its like driving with tied hands after driving verna for 5 years (my ex-car which had 110horses at my command).

During the Ertiga's test drive, I did not feel the lack of power. But the vehicle is not fully loaded. But as a Ertiga owner your observation will be more accurate. (I also have a Getz CRDI - which uses the same Verna's engine I guess )

If you loved the peppy engine of Scorpio then ertiga is not the car for you. It doesn't stand near Scorpio as far as built, power torque required to exploit the peppy engine is concerned.


DieselTRONIC - Diesel ECU ( tuning box) to increase power and mileage with remote for multiple maps | racedynamics.in
If you feel low end pickup of storme is not good (depends on your driving habit on potholes, speed brakers, overtaking maneuvers) you can improve it @20k with a dieseltronics kit.

Somehow I feel Storme is too big for me. Plus fear of TASS make me give Storme a miss.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Check Nissan Terrano, get the quotation, no not for booking it but once you get the quotation, booking the Scorpio would become easy. I mean Scorpio is a VFM car.

 

[Vindan]

Re: Duster 85 PS RXL vs Scorpio LX vs Ertiga ZDI

Check Nissan Terrano, get the quotation, no not for booking it but once you get the quotation, booking the Scorpio would become easy. I mean Scorpio is a VFM car.

Tornado, that is a nice trick