Apple Products: Discussions & Suggestions

[acechip]

Nice to see an Apple vs Android battle for a change instead of Maruti vs Tata, Honda vs Hyundai etc. BTW, I have a Nougat upgraded Moto X Style that's beginning to feel somewhat laggy. If I have to move on to another one, would you recommend an Iphone 8 Plus or the latest from the SD835/Android-O stable ? From what I read in various articles, the A11 beats SD 835 hollow in raw performance, but some of the phones with SD835, like Nokia-8 or even Sony XZ arent exactly slouches in real world tasks when compared to IPhone 8P. I havent mentioned Pixel 2 because I hear they are facing some quality niggles.

 

[Gurrala74]

Updated to 11.1 and seems battery drains pretty fast. Reported to Apple care

 

[NM9488]

Nice to see an Apple vs Android battle for a change instead of Maruti vs Tata, Honda vs Hyundai etc. BTW, I have a Nougat upgraded Moto X Style that's beginning to feel somewhat laggy. If I have to move on to another one, would you recommend an Iphone 8 Plus or the latest from the SD835/Android-O stable ? From what I read in various articles, the A11 beats SD 835 hollow in raw performance, but some of the phones with SD835, like Nokia-8 or even Sony XZ arent exactly slouches in real world tasks when compared to IPhone 8P. I havent mentioned Pixel 2 because I hear they are facing some quality niggles.

That was Apple vs other phone manufacturer companies later it became iOS vs Droid. In shorter words it became Apple vs whole of Droid & other phone manufacturer companies.
I am not saying Apple is the Best in the industry but people should understand when they work on any tech it become mainstream. Droid phone had many features before Apple but when Apple implemented it, it become Gold standard in smartphone industry.

About buying iPhone 8 Plus OR any Droid phone, it is all depend on ecosystem you choose. I am happy with iOS which is Apple Ecosystem. I would love to use iPhone 8 Plus for performance & Dual Camera but again iPhone X is class apart in all iPhone's and it is so costly that I need to wait till prices come down. Apple just messed up their iPhone line this year.
Moving to iOS from Droid and vice versa is so much easy now but if you love to use Droid there are multiple Droid phones available in the market with good performance & Camera. Yes A11 Bionic is king of performance but even if you go with any high end Droid phone you won't be facing any performance issue for sure, though I cannot comment on if they will get latest Droid version in future.
You can check Note 8 vs iPhone X performance test on youtube. Droid & devices running on latest Droid are really catching up fast with Apple in terms of performance.

Latest iOS 11 & Droid O still needs bug fixes hence it is matter of what suits you. I would recommend iPhone X (after prices come down a bit) instead of iPhone 8 Plus as it is quite compact and have same screen size like Plus series, And its current generation OLED. Even if you keep iPhone X for 3-4 years it won't face any performance issue in future and you will get latest iOS version for free, my guess iPhone X will support till iOS 16 (Year 2022)!

P.S.-BTW I loved the portrait selfie quality on Pixel2 XL vs iPhone X. Google just nailed it. Hope Apple is watching this & iOS 11.2 will come up with good Portrait selfie feature. And for Google hope they will cure that Screen issue soon.

Updated to 11.1 and seems battery drains pretty fast. Reported to Apple care

Yes there are still Battery issues in iOS 11.1 & even latest iOS 11.1.1. Still I felt it is better than iOS 11.0.3. Lets see what Apple do for iOS 11 as it is still buggy and Battery issue is not yet solved.

 

[kkn13]

Yes sir. Again FYI most of the features in Droid are taken from Jailbreak community which works on iOS. Then after some time Apple takes their sweet time to polish that feature and they provide it in their product.

Not true in the slightest Im afraid
Android development is on another level
I was an Apple fan once and my girlfriend is a hardcore one so I still do see various Apple gadgets like her brand new iPhone X which arrived this week
I have a jailbroken iPad Air 2 and a rooted Nexus 5 as my spare gadgets to hack and play with
Theres absolutely no comparison, Android being so open , theres a tonne of stuff that jailbreak cannot achieve in a million years being so locked down by the OEM-Apple
Heck as a user of Android Auto and Apple Carplay, Carplay cannot even use Google maps whereas I use Airtel WynkMusic and got a workaround to get WynkMusic working in Android Auto
Half the jailbreak tweaks break and dont work

 

[NM9488]

Not true in the slightest Im afraid
Android development is on another level
I was an Apple fan once and my girlfriend is a hardcore one so I still do see various Apple gadgets like her brand new iPhone X which arrived this week
I have a jailbroken iPad Air 2 and a rooted Nexus 5 as my spare gadgets to hack and play with
Theres absolutely no comparison, Android being so open , theres a tonne of stuff that jailbreak cannot achieve in a million years being so locked down by the OEM-Apple
Heck as a user of Android Auto and Apple Carplay, Carplay cannot even use Google maps whereas I use Airtel WynkMusic and got a workaround to get WynkMusic working in Android Auto
Half the jailbreak tweaks break and dont work

I love to use my iPhone as its the simplest OS to use. Droid is same like iOS, came after iOS but looks like messed up OS to me. Whenever I take my friends Droid device for any reason I just feel like lost may be its due to I am using iPhone for a long time. But again I cannot say that for Windows as I am a windows user (at office as well as my personal Lappy is Windows) but love to use my brother MacBook Pro. It is damn good compared to Windows.
I am not bringing Who's the best in Windows vs MacOS OR Droid vs iOS here but most of the time people moving to Mac from windows OR Droid to iOS love the way Apple's design language of OS. There may be exception but still Apple is good at Hardware & software integration and that's what I love about them.

Android Auto vs Apple CarPlay is another topic here. Car Manufactures nowadays provide both option in new cars. Don't have both in my current Car. I am not using Apple Maps at all & had silly incidents with Google maps many times. MapMyIndia is better option as per my knowledge. This technology is still evolving so better to wait.

About jailbreak, I am not using Jailbreak iPhone at all. It will harm my warranty (which I can handle) but most Importantly don't want to break security of my personal iPhone. I am not big fan of customization, left that interest after using Nokia symbian phones. When I used jailbreak in my iPhone years ago it was same like droid, customization, new features were there but again it wasn't concrete like iOS made by Apple. BTW Jailbreak is a community who break iOS as per their requirement so I don't understand how come you are saying Jailbreak cannot achieve what Droid has. It is way different from iOS. But again I am not using that so can't comment on whats new in Jailbreak.

Even though most of the time manufacturer of Droid phones love to provide stock Droid instead of adding customization. As per my understanding I met only one person who rooted his Droid phone to do customization, all other just use what is given by manufacturer. So simple users keep the phone as it is.

P.S.-Would love to get information from you about rooting & customizing Droid so that I can teach it to my friends. Please DM me procedure!

 

[kkn13]

MapMyIndia came preinstalled in my car, messed up street names even with latest update in Mumbai so far , So I use Google Maps usually which is only marginally better

I brought up jailbreak because you said Jailbreak "inspires" Android devs and Apple themselves, which isnt true completely. Jailbreak access is not even close to stock access on Android or even Windows Phone, thats how locked down iOS is... Still something is better than nothing and Jailbreak did enable a few things like installing whatsapp on our iPads for business

I have used all 4 platforms- iOS, Android, Windows Phone and BB10
Id say Android has finally reached a maturity level that the other 3 didnt
Windows Phone was my primary device for a long time and because of app development for my business, I had to maintain devices from iOS, Android,Windows Phone, BB10

I also own a Macbook Air 13" and a Surface Pro 3

PS- Jailbreak doesnt void warranty, you can jailbreak, then take iTunes backup, reflash iOS, restore backup using iTunes before taking to Apple store. Its actually much simpler than rooting android and you dont lose data .Rooting is a bigger hassle because of lack of proper backup.

I think with people switching to Apple , its generally because-
1. High price = Status symbol

2. Professionals using software like Avid which works better on Mac for some reason

3. Grass is greener mindset. People tend to buy cheap low end Android hardware or cheap low end Windows hardware, then they splurge and buy expensive Apple hardware which is only mid level stuff priced much higher than counterparts , sometimes double for exact same configs. This mid level hardware being the base config of Apple makes people feel Apple is the reason for the performance and hence the hype.

4. Actual lovers of the Apple Ecosystem (A rare, dying breed)-
A lot of my friends, in fact me as well, were die hard Apple fanboys. I used to own latest Apple products and even owned PowerMac G5 and the full fledged Mac Pro , but after Steve Jobs, the passion of the products has come down and its all "Me too" these days.

Brands like Apple, Samsung etc are busy copying each other than actual innovation. Technology has become boring really. Apple and Samsung still manage to market what other brands have given to their users for years at affordable prices and people tend to assume they were the 1st to introduce them.
Examples include NFC, Wireless charging, DLNA protocol, bezel less displays, AMOLED and Retina and so on.
Such technologies were enjoyed by users of Microsoft/Nokia, Blackberry10, Sharp, Xiaomi etc since 2012.

Id love to help you out with rooting , customisation, Jailbreak etc. PM me anytime !! Ill help you out

 

[NM9488]

MapMyIndia came preinstalled in my car, messed up street names even with latest update in Mumbai so far , So I use Google Maps usually which is only marginally better

I had few bad incidents about google maps so I just don’t trust it. And on Droid device it was so bad. With your view on MapmyIndia, I guess both S***s so comparing them not going to solve the problem.
Apple Maps is improving outside india but don’t think it will improve in India till 2019-20 so no use of talking about that.

I brought up jailbreak because you said Jailbreak "inspires" Android devs and Apple themselves, which isnt true completely. Jailbreak access is not even close to stock access on Android or even Windows Phone, thats how locked down iOS is... Still something is better than nothing and Jailbreak did enable a few things like installing whatsapp on our iPads for business

I have used all 4 platforms- iOS, Android, Windows Phone and BB10
Id say Android has finally reached a maturity level that the other 3 didnt
Windows Phone was my primary device for a long time and because of app development for my business, I had to maintain devices from iOS, Android,Windows Phone, BB10
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PS- Jailbreak doesnt void warranty, you can jailbreak, then take iTunes backup, reflash iOS, restore backup using iTunes before taking to Apple store. Its actually much simpler than rooting android and you dont lose data .Rooting is a bigger hassle because of lack of proper backup.

I used Jailbreak once till date, so far I know few pro’s & con’s of jailbreak. I know I can save my warranty even after doing jailbreak but never liked the idea of jailbreak so stayed away from that.

I don’t know what you mean by accessing more here, coz why people do Jailbreak OR rooting? Installing apps for free, to get some good customization of icons to fonts to animations on their phone, right? OR better way people try other OS styles on their phone with these methods. That do work good in both methods, now if someone wants to do Bond OR MI kind of stuff with these then I would put my hands in the air!

The time I was using Jailbreaked iPhone I did all the stuff, which I saw many people still do on their Droid devices.

But Jailbreak is dying, yesterday only I saw a video of how Apple killed the Jailbreak. Thats the end of Jailbreak Era. Some mods still doing jailbreak but they are not releasing that Mod to normal people.

I also own a Macbook Air 13" and a Surface Pro 3

My brother owns a Macbook Pro, I am using a Dell Windows laptop for my uses which is dying everyday. Just use that for doing stuffs Mac can’t do, using some creepy software which works on Windows only.

I think with people switching to Apple , its generally because-
1. High price = Status symbol

2. Professionals using software like Avid which works better on Mac for some reason

3. Grass is greener mindset. People tend to buy cheap low end Android hardware or cheap low end Windows hardware, then they splurge and buy expensive Apple hardware which is only mid level stuff priced much higher than counterparts , sometimes double for exact same configs. This mid level hardware being the base config of Apple makes people feel Apple is the reason for the performance and hence the hype.

4. Actual lovers of the Apple Ecosystem (A rare, dying breed)-
A lot of my friends, in fact me as well, were die hard Apple fanboys. I used to own latest Apple products and even owned PowerMac G5 and the full fledged Mac Pro , but after Steve Jobs, the passion of the products has come down and its all "Me too" these days.

Now this is where people ASSUME everything & thats what I Hate!

Yes many people may be using Apple products for status symbol. But the actual reason behind it is always different than what many people think.

Professional software works best on Mac, not on windows. My brother met a DJ who told my brother that you will always need MacBook to use DJ softwares for 7-8 hours, try that with windows & it will restart within a hour. Windows can’t give optimization Mac gives. and this came from actual DJ. Its not made up story, Even I searched for the reason why Professional DJ use Mac instead of same configuration but cheap priced laptops? Answer was almost same!

You say hardware is lower spec than competition? (Read it for Mac as well as iPhone to iPad), Brother it takes too much to design OS as well as hardware. Earlier that Carcommentor guy gave list of manufactures for Apple, I guess competition can get same parts from the same vendors still Apple shines in marriage of hardware & software that others can’t manage.
Here one fail attempt by Apple is laughing part for others, have you seen what Google did to get this far to make Pixel phones? They tried, failed, again tried again failed & after this many years now they are producing phones as good as iPhone which runs on Droid OS. Though its still not the Best but Droid user doesn't need to use iPhone for good camera quality. Thats the success of google. Same goes to Shamesung. They pushed Curve screen so hard but nobody ever copied them. LG did but story ended long back. Currently only Galaxy phones come with curve screen. But when it comes to Apple story takes different turn, One rumor of Apple is working on Edge to edge iPhone for 10th Anniversary, man!!! Every other smartphone makers spent their resources to get edge to edge device first. Many of them succeed before Apple but iPhone X is real Edge to Edge phone here! Apple really did amazing job to get that done.
So the question is Apple ever said they are market leader? (except for OS adoption rate) Its the competition who copy everything from Apple. Take Example of that silly looking Protruding camera bump on iPhone 6/6S (add plus models also),Man! they copy that silly thing also. Thats the height of foolness.

Talking about legacy of late Steve Sir, he was visionary, he was a good sales man. He always pushed his team till edge to get his work done. It is Good for users but not a good experience for people working at Apple.Reality is till the time people think Late Steve Jobs is dead so Apple is Dead, nothing will change. Look at the changes happened in Apple, there are many good and bad as well (in software front..Too many bugs and still Apple fails to solve them.) But Sometimes I am happy that he died because if he was there at Apple we would have been using 3.5 inch iPhone & Apple Pencil would never happened. I am happy to see these many changes happened at Apple. They opened they iOS as well as their Product line. Apple Watch is a gre8 example of that. Everybody tried to be first in smartwatch before news of Apple is working on smartwatch came but Apple Watch leads with Example of sales & user friendly nature. AND yes don't forget it took 3 years to Apple to get till perfect WatchOS for Apple Watch.

Brands like Apple, Samsung etc are busy copying each other than actual innovation. Technology has become boring really. Apple and Samsung still manage to market what other brands have given to their users for years at affordable prices and people tend to assume they were the 1st to introduce them.
Examples include NFC, Wireless charging, DLNA protocol, bezel less displays, AMOLED and Retina and so on.
Such technologies were enjoyed by users of Microsoft/Nokia, Blackberry10, Sharp, Xiaomi etc since 2012.

Id love to help you out with rooting , customisation, Jailbreak etc. PM me anytime !! Ill help you out

I guess every Apple lover who know how Apple work now knows that Apple never ever try any new tech on their Products. They wait till that tech gets settle & later when they give that feature it become Gold standard of the industry. Remember Touch ID? Apple just took idea from past & added it to their iPhone. Now every smartphone comes to market has to have Fingerprint sensor. So same goes for many techs like,

NFC- Apple Pay came & now others are using it. A very good method to pay at counters. Hope it will come in India soon as shamesung pay is already here in India.

Wireless charging- Agree that Apple took more than expected years to provide this but after launch of iPhone’s with wireless charging, sudden hike added to wireless charging pads. Cars are coming with wireless charger as well as wireless CarPlay. I thought it will be actual wireless charging but still we have to wait till next year for the same. For this even I am not happy with Apple but lets wait.

Bezel Less display- As I said earlier one rumor created too much of Buzz but if you check iPhone X actually got bezel less display where others still have bezel at bottom!

AMOLED no its still OLED- again As i mentioned earlier they never give half baked stuff, Now OLED tech is settled by shamesung & LG, Apple designed their own as per their requirement OLED panel and gave Shamesung for mass production. Shamesung also accepted that they are earning more profit than selling Galaxy devices from Apple for making OLED panels. Both are Happy.

Its depend on how you see it. I accept the fact that Apple is lagging behind in many areas where they shined. But its a company right? UP's & down's happen with any company, specially tech companies. What is fun to see is when others throw a punch at Apple, they reply back with a Kick.
I still remember how Apple took game to next level in performance with iPhone 5S when competition crushed iPhone 5 in Geekbench test.

 

[carcommentor]

Earlier that Carcommentor guy gave list of manufactures for Apple, I guess competition can get same parts from the same vendors still Apple shines in marriage of hardware & software that others can’t manage.

Android phones cost Rs. 10,000 – 15,000 on average against > Rs. 50,000 for iPhones . Why would the Android manufacturer want to add pointless costs to the phone?

Professional software works best on Mac, not on windows. My brother met a DJ who told my brother that you will always need MacBook to use DJ softwares for 7-8 hours, try that with windows & it will restart within a hour. Windows can’t give optimization Mac gives. and this came from actual DJ. Its not made up story, Even I searched for the reason why Professional DJ use Mac instead of same configuration but cheap priced laptops? Answer was almost same!

Probably he tried running dmg file on Windows and gave up after trying for an hour Every VFX studio runs windows server farms, runs adobe after effects , Nuke & other compositing softwares. Also runs Maya, 3dMax & other 3d softwares, 3d tracking and other memory intensive softwares too run smoothly on windows and you claim mere song mixing will crash windows? Even the world’s most used 3d engine -Unity 3d - uses Visual Studio for coding and C# and then converts for x-code, not the other way around.

...Apple but iPhone X is real Edge to Edge phone here! Apple really did amazing job to get that done

??? Bezel is there all around the iPhone X , not to mention the notch . Absence of home button is not ‘a no bezel phone’ ! At least in Samsung 8/edge/ note phones, the display stretches right up to edge and curves around the edge.

Apple designed their own as per their requirement OLED panel and gave Shamesung for mass production. Shamesung also accepted that they are earning more profit than selling Galaxy devices from Apple for making OLED panels. Both are Happy

Could you please enlighten us as to what Apple ‘designed’ in OLED ? They didn’t even give proper instructions. Foxconn Vice President Luo Zhongsheng complained on Weibo post that OLED panels received by the contract manufacturer are failing to meet the grade at Foxconn because of the specific way that Apple wants the material cut (for the ‘notch’). Apple even gave wrong OLED length instruction to Samsung . After realizing the goof up, they folded the extra length onto itself and stuck the display controller behind the tucked OLED (this is being called ‘brilliant idea’ !). See image.

If not for Samsung, they would have got a rigid OLED which would have messed up entire iPhone X. The truth is, third party manufacturers are the one who are innovating for Apple.

 

[acechip]

I am not a fan of the bezel-less look, the screen would be easily prone to damage and repair cost would be that much more.I saw the Sony XZ Premium running Android-O the other day, and was quite impressed with its display, features and hardware, esp the camera functions with 960 fps Slow Motion and 3D face creator (available after Android-O update). It also has the Qualcomm SD 835, with 4GB RAM, 64 GB storage.

 

[carcommentor]

I am not a fan of the bezel-less look, the screen would be easily prone to damage and repair cost would be that much more.....

I agree. Manufacturers should concentrate on crack proof displays instead of edge to edge displays, pointless ‘nit’ brightness and JNCD (Just Noticeable Color Difference) wars.
I mean what’s the point of 0.9 JNCD achieved by iPhone X when any color less than 3 JNCD is visually indistinguishable? It is same with nits. HDR standard even for OLED TVs is only 540 Nits. iPhone X full screen brightness is at 634 nits !! This is just going to increase the burn-in and green screen problems. In fact many iPhone X users have already started complaining about ‘Green Line of Death’ on iPhone X displays.

 

[kkn13]

I had few bad incidents about google maps so I just don’t trust it. And on Droid device it was so bad. With your view on MapmyIndia, I guess both S***s so comparing them not going to solve the problem.
Apple Maps is improving outside india but don’t think it will improve in India till 2019-20 so no use of talking about that.



I used Jailbreak once till date, so far I know few pro’s & con’s of jailbreak. I know I can save my warranty even after doing jailbreak but never liked the idea of jailbreak so stayed away from that.

I don’t know what you mean by accessing more here, coz why people do Jailbreak OR rooting? Installing apps for free, to get some good customization of icons to fonts to animations on their phone, right? OR better way people try other OS styles on their phone with these methods. That do work good in both methods, now if someone wants to do Bond OR MI kind of stuff with these then I would put my hands in the air!

The time I was using Jailbreaked iPhone I did all the stuff, which I saw many people still do on their Droid devices.

But Jailbreak is dying, yesterday only I saw a video of how Apple killed the Jailbreak. Thats the end of Jailbreak Era. Some mods still doing jailbreak but they are not releasing that Mod to normal people.



My brother owns a Macbook Pro, I am using a Dell Windows laptop for my uses which is dying everyday. Just use that for doing stuffs Mac can’t do, using some creepy software which works on Windows only.



Now this is where people ASSUME everything & thats what I Hate!

Yes many people may be using Apple products for status symbol. But the actual reason behind it is always different than what many people think.

Professional software works best on Mac, not on windows. My brother met a DJ who told my brother that you will always need MacBook to use DJ softwares for 7-8 hours, try that with windows & it will restart within a hour. Windows can’t give optimization Mac gives. and this came from actual DJ. Its not made up story, Even I searched for the reason why Professional DJ use Mac instead of same configuration but cheap priced laptops? Answer was almost same!

You say hardware is lower spec than competition? (Read it for Mac as well as iPhone to iPad), Brother it takes too much to design OS as well as hardware. Earlier that Carcommentor guy gave list of manufactures for Apple, I guess competition can get same parts from the same vendors still Apple shines in marriage of hardware & software that others can’t manage.
Here one fail attempt by Apple is laughing part for others, have you seen what Google did to get this far to make Pixel phones? They tried, failed, again tried again failed & after this many years now they are producing phones as good as iPhone which runs on Droid OS. Though its still not the Best but Droid user doesn't need to use iPhone for good camera quality. Thats the success of google. Same goes to Shamesung. They pushed Curve screen so hard but nobody ever copied them. LG did but story ended long back. Currently only Galaxy phones come with curve screen. But when it comes to Apple story takes different turn, One rumor of Apple is working on Edge to edge iPhone for 10th Anniversary, man!!! Every other smartphone makers spent their resources to get edge to edge device first. Many of them succeed before Apple but iPhone X is real Edge to Edge phone here! Apple really did amazing job to get that done.
So the question is Apple ever said they are market leader? (except for OS adoption rate) Its the competition who copy everything from Apple. Take Example of that silly looking Protruding camera bump on iPhone 6/6S (add plus models also),Man! they copy that silly thing also. Thats the height of foolness.

Talking about legacy of late Steve Sir, he was visionary, he was a good sales man. He always pushed his team till edge to get his work done. It is Good for users but not a good experience for people working at Apple.Reality is till the time people think Late Steve Jobs is dead so Apple is Dead, nothing will change. Look at the changes happened in Apple, there are many good and bad as well (in software front..Too many bugs and still Apple fails to solve them.) But Sometimes I am happy that he died because if he was there at Apple we would have been using 3.5 inch iPhone & Apple Pencil would never happened. I am happy to see these many changes happened at Apple. They opened they iOS as well as their Product line. Apple Watch is a gre8 example of that. Everybody tried to be first in smartwatch before news of Apple is working on smartwatch came but Apple Watch leads with Example of sales & user friendly nature. AND yes don't forget it took 3 years to Apple to get till perfect WatchOS for Apple Watch.


I guess every Apple lover who know how Apple work now knows that Apple never ever try any new tech on their Products. They wait till that tech gets settle & later when they give that feature it become Gold standard of the industry. Remember Touch ID? Apple just took idea from past & added it to their iPhone. Now every smartphone comes to market has to have Fingerprint sensor. So same goes for many techs like,

NFC- Apple Pay came & now others are using it. A very good method to pay at counters. Hope it will come in India soon as shamesung pay is already here in India.

Wireless charging- Agree that Apple took more than expected years to provide this but after launch of iPhone’s with wireless charging, sudden hike added to wireless charging pads. Cars are coming with wireless charger as well as wireless CarPlay. I thought it will be actual wireless charging but still we have to wait till next year for the same. For this even I am not happy with Apple but lets wait.

Bezel Less display- As I said earlier one rumor created too much of Buzz but if you check iPhone X actually got bezel less display where others still have bezel at bottom!

AMOLED no its still OLED- again As i mentioned earlier they never give half baked stuff, Now OLED tech is settled by shamesung & LG, Apple designed their own as per their requirement OLED panel and gave Shamesung for mass production. Shamesung also accepted that they are earning more profit than selling Galaxy devices from Apple for making OLED panels. Both are Happy.

Its depend on how you see it. I accept the fact that Apple is lagging behind in many areas where they shined. But its a company right? UP's & down's happen with any company, specially tech companies. What is fun to see is when others throw a punch at Apple, they reply back with a Kick.
I still remember how Apple took game to next level in performance with iPhone 5S when competition crushed iPhone 5 in Geekbench test.

Bezel less displays are not something Apple invented either
See Mi Mix 2 for example, it doesnt even have the top bezel of the iPhone X
Mi MIX 2 - Full screen display - Mi India

After the Steve Jobs era, theres literally nothing new
They simply bring out 5 year old technology
Theres no denying that its simply perception that Apple still lives on, theres nothing else remaining
I used to be a hardcore Apple fanboy then everything started going downhill and the competition beat them in every area

Im not even using Samsung as an example, Samsung is a terrible example

Nexus/Pixel, One plus and Xiaomi beat Apple flat out

As for OEMs that make software and hardware, its not so hard, Microsoft and Google do a much better job now
That myth is dead
Surface and Pixel line ups prove it

Windows 10 is very well optimised, I dont think your friend has used windows in years, its much more stable than Mac now
Ive had tonnes of Kernel Panics on my MacBook Air 13

 

[acechip]

I am not a fan of the bezel-less look, the screen would be easily prone to damage and repair cost would be that much more.I saw the Sony XZ Premium running Android-O the other day, and was quite impressed with its display, features and hardware, esp the camera functions with 960 fps Slow Motion and 3D face creator (available after Android-O update). It also has the Qualcomm SD 835, with 4GB RAM, 64 GB storage.

Finally bit the bullet and got myself an IPhone 8 Plus. Moving over from years of Android (starting with Froyo 2.2 till Nougat). But funnily, I am not missing the platform one bit. So I guess the ease of use and the super-fluid response has helped null that effect quite a bit.

 

[carcommentor]

Finally bit the bullet and got myself an IPhone 8 Plus. Moving over from years of Android (starting with Froyo 2.2 till Nougat). But funnily, I am not missing the platform one bit. So I guess the ease of use and the super-fluid response has helped null that effect quite a bit.

You could have bought iPhone7 since it would be more VFM as there is only incremental difference between the two. Of course the best buy would have been iPhoneX as you get far more goodies (OLED,Super Retina, True Depth Cam, OIS even in front cam, Face ID etc) for the price than any other iPhone so far.

 

[Music_Swift]

Facing some serious issue with my 2.5 years iPhone 6 since last 2 days.Im getting no service and searching even after inserting new sim in it.What could be the problem?I was thinking it was sim problem but when I inserted the same sim in dad’s OP3,it’s working but when I inserted in my iPhone,it’s not working at all.When I went to the shop,the guv said its a software or hardware problem,so better get it checked at Apple service center itself.

 

[thegreatv]

Facing some serious issue with my 2.5 years iPhone 6 since last 2 days.Im getting no service and searching even after inserting new sim in it.What could be the problem?I was thinking it was sim problem but when I inserted the same sim in dad’s OP3,it’s working but when I inserted in my iPhone,it’s not working at all.When I went to the shop,the guv said its a software or hardware problem,so better get it checked at Apple service center itself.

Have you tried a factory reset (backup data if you have anything important) and then tried inserting the sim? If it still does not work may be some issue with your sim slot.