4300K Quality HID Kit Technical Review & Install (W+Pics)

CRACING · Dec 29, 2015

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Hello Bhvm,

You have created a nice and informative thread here. Also your Thunderbolt has thunder lightnings. [:D]

HID topic is huge and complex but with expertise like you and ice_wise its as easy as pie.

I may not get into HID setups but will keep an eye on this thread for wonderful DIY's. Keep it up.

Thanks...
Best Regards

ice_wise · Dec 29, 2015

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CRACING said:

Sirji I can see the urge to get foglamp HIDs in your City through your post. What say? [lol]

bhvm - Do we get projectors small enough to fit projectors? AFAIK 2.5" won't fit without modifying the assembly (which will be visible from outside) and 2" may fit, but not available easily. Last time I was in the market, I saw a Swift (2013 one) getting projectors installed in foglamps. They were LED ones without any fancy angel/devil eye. They were looking stock from outside but required the assembly to be cut from inside. Light throw was more like a spot light but was decent enough for a foglamp (range and intensity was very good like your high beam assists in i10). Is it worth going for them?

For reference, they were the same which are available online in the name of "LED Projector for Bullet, etc.".

CRACING · Dec 29, 2015

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ice_wise said:

I already have Cree leds put into foglamps in my City and I'm happy with it.

Actually I wanted HID with projectors fitted into headlights but installation isn't possible for me. What I have learnt is:

1. Headlight lens needs to be heated to break seal. Some use oven but hot air gun should also work.
2. Once opened its easy to fit projectors but some projectors requires cutting of bulb holder.
3. Then to reseal, we need to heat again. I doubt stock sealant will reseal properly so butyl sealant is required which I'm not able to find. Other sealant may not seal properly to prevent water entering in.

Afaik, wiring is not a problem because hid ballast comes with plugs so wire stripping not required.

bhvm · Dec 29, 2015

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1. sure enough!
there are matchbox projectors available. just 1.8 inch lens size. see here-
matchbox projectors - Google Search

Morimoto Matchbox projectors (pics and measurements inside))

Matchbox H1 Bi-Xenon HID Projectors | BlackFlameCustoms.com

MORIMOTO MATCHBOX 2.0 (Retrofit+color mod))

here's what you exactly need-
Fog lights retro'd with Morimoto matchbox projectors - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans

2. problem with so called LED projector is all messed up beam pattern which is all Show and no go. the projector beam looks like a torch and it wouldn't be surprising if Chinese have put torch parts in!

ice_wise · Dec 29, 2015

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bhvm said:

Thanks bhvm. I don't use foglamps (can't remember the last time I used them) while driving and was looking for more-show-less-go type only. I will use them only when I'm around college. [lol]

Foglamp HIDs would cost me 3k. If I get the LED projector with screwed up beam pattern, it will cost me roughly 1k. In that case, isn't LED projector better (low cost and low battery consumption, my ICE setup already takes lots of battery) than HID? I am not spending more than 3k for this.

CRACING - Some pictures of your foglamps and cost would be appreciated. Thanks.

CRACING · Dec 29, 2015

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ice_wise said:

Sure. Below are the links taken from Dr. Mudhan's The Albus Car Ownership Thread:

Details about Foglight LEDs and Cree LEDs: #133, #363, #376

Cree LEDs for Foglight and other LEDs installed in Albus: Post #60

Cree LEDs for Foglight and other LEDs installed in my City: Post #544, #547, #554, #557, #580, #932

*Some posts have mixed topics.

bhvm · Dec 29, 2015

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ice wise,. rather than getting a useless LED projector and messing around with fog housings, it's better to install corn type low Power LED BULB in your existing fog, just like cracing did.

ice_wise · Dec 29, 2015

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bhvm said:

Problem is that I don't to international online shopping. I prefer buying personally or through Indian sites, if online. Also I can't wait for 20-40 days for a package! [;)]

These good quality LEDs (like CRACING and Dr MUDHAN have) are available only in international sites like Aliexpress. Ebay.in and Amazon.in have similar LEDs (not quality wise, design wise) for 700-800 per piece. These I think are chinese COB LEDs with H7 base just like we have T10 Parking bulbs. My experience with those parking bulbs has been very bad (replaced around 10 sets in 4 months, and finally gone for stock W5W) and I fear that the fog LEDs might also conk off.

Let me see if I get some deals on such LEDs online, I will try those once. As I saw in CRACING's City, the illumination wasn't that great and I am thinking of HIDs instead. I can get them for around 3k (with a lot better illumination than CREE LEDs) but battery drain is my major concern with HIDs. Lots of options makes choice difficult! [cry]

I will update on what I will get. Instead of thinking so much on this topic, I will get something after a sudden desire and will update here.

bhvm - Can you do a similar calculation like you did in Activa Headlight bulb thread and tell me how much a car battery would be able to support? I am running ~900w RMS of music and a Megasonic horn. Will it be fine if I use 35w HIDs as DRLs i.e. for 3-4 hours daily.

bhvm · Dec 30, 2015

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iw , honestly there's nothing like proper LED setup these days which gives you all this- beam/illumination, long life, good pricing.

HID still rule the roost for having fantastic illumination and life at a price fraction of what they started at 30-35k 10 years ago.

a 35w hid shall consume 3A. can you figure out the amp ratings on your alternator? I guess there shouldn't be problems Atleast with engine running. the Battery drain issue of HID is exaggerated by people either due to cheap faulty kits or wrong wiring. I never had a problem with decent kits!

ice_wise · Dec 30, 2015

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bhvm said:

Stock alternator which I have is 70 Amps. All functions are stock in car, except ICE (which is ~900w RMS and ~1800w max (how many Amps?) and 8 Ampere horn.

I am facing headlight dimming, etc. (when ICE needs power during bass drops or kicks) already even though my battery is 5 month old. I guess I need a new alternator maybe as battery isn't charging sufficiently.

Yes, HIDs seem to be the best alternative out there. In LEDs, as per my knowledge, if one of the CREE/some of the SMD blows out, the light isn't usable. In HIDs, you can change the wiring, bulb and ballast seperately. HIDs give illumination as well as good look : double dhamaka. [lol]

bhvm · Dec 30, 2015

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70amps at 14.4v is about 1000w.
which means all the power of alternator is being consumed by your high end music system, leaving hardly any for headlights,ecu, Battery charging, horns etc.

I guess you need an alternator upgrade. HID is a minor question with power draw of just 3A.

look for alternator upgraded in about 120-150A range. otherwise you'll soon have Battery and related problems.

p.s- 900w genuine rms at full volume shall be 60-70 amps. a little less At regular listening levels.

ice_wise · Dec 30, 2015

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bhvm said:

Thanks for calculations. Yes I need an alternator upgrade. Do you have any idea regarding this? A mechanic told that Safari's alternator is 90 Amp and will be fine, but I will go for higher one (70-80 Amp for ICE, ~30 Amp for headlights/power windows, etc., 6 Amp for HIDs and 8 Amp for horn) in the 120-130 Amp range. Are alternators a simple universal thing? I am thinking of getting alternators from cars (like Safari, etc.) instead of getting a hi-tech branded unit (I heard Bosch makes alternators).

Or point me to a thread with similar discussion.

EDIT - Do share approx price range for alternator upgrade if you know.

bhvm · Dec 30, 2015

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other than amperage, it's more important that alternator matches your pulley size, engine /belt rpm. also the mounting holes should match and factory mount should hold enough weight. best idea is physical inspection and measurement by your Mechanic or some wiring experts.

for your case, 90A shouldn't help as it's very mild upgrade. I'll suggest you look around 150A for best results. you could also ask your Mechanic to hunt for Old 3.0L dicor Safari alternator. it's an absolute beast, rates at 130A, very heavy duty. I used to run an 800w Inverter in that car with car PC, as well as all 130/100w headlights and 100w spots.

I'm not aware of alternator prices.

p.S-

http://olx.in/m/item/tata-safari-alternator-IDZKSbn.html?code=6dc4a6334a

http://olx.in/m/item/fiat-palio-1-2-petrol-new-bosch-alternator-ID10bC6W.html?code=189fd1ab9f
http://olx.in/m/item/alternator-selfmotor-comon-rail-IDPpNkC.html?code=10443fe200

most interesting and eye opening-
http://olx.in/m/item/audi-q7-3-0-td...220a-0599-03019f-IDTOwbd.html?code=10443fe200

acechip · Jan 14, 2016

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I am looking at upgrading my Duster's headlamps to HID as I find them to be quite inadequate for night use. The dealers accessory shop is willing to do the upgrade, but I had a few questions:
1) The recommended bulbs are 4000K with 35W. Duster is a H1/7 setup on OEMs. Should I go for only low beam upgrade or just HID upgrade for fog lamps to begin with ?
2) The Duster headlight assembly has a black tint. Will it be affected by the HD bulb ? Or will it reduce the glare for oncoming traffic ?
3) The biggest concern is-how do they perform during rain. My OEM lamps are absolutely pathetic. Will there be an even worse scatter effect during light/misty rain which is often encountered in Pune ?

bhvm · Jan 14, 2016

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Hello there!
1..if you're short on budget, upgrade the fogs first. they serve as second low beams and really enhance the safety. otherwise, it's better to upgrade BOTH lows and fogs at once.

2. I don't quite remember duster headlamps. is the black tint on the lens or just around the bezels surrounding reflectors? do remove any black tints if possible

3. the experience in rain is well documented in this thread before. however, as duster does not have projectors to control light beam, I cannot comment about spreading during Bad weather.

generally, HID = PROJECTOR.

if you drive a lot during rains, just upgrade to 3000k hid lamps in fogs and keep headlights stock.

p.s- I assume you have genuine oem fogs.

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